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    big al 08 6 2 543 The site ate my user ID kevin 05 08 04 02 15 PM by kevin 0 2 237 V Style VOR antenna cessnadriver 02 08 13 07 05 PM by cessnadriver 8 1 881 65 C337 Owner Manual POH cessnadriver 10 13 11 11 16 PM by cessnadriver 3 2 315 73 non turbo 337 performance Rick Gardner 01 11 09 11 11 AM by Roger 6 2 077 76 337g For Sale Jim Rainer 02 07 08 04 20 PM by Jim Rainer 0 1 673 2 state capitols fuel price updates Guy Paris 10 24 08 01 06 PM by Guy Paris 0 1 229 Off Topic Beech Starships AussieO2 08 02 06 12 12 PM by Francisco 6 2 602 Radar Pod kevin 01 20 03 03 24 PM by 4 2 137 safety Alert 1 2 Jim Smith 05 03 15 02 11 PM by Jim Smith 17 3 571 0 2 gun sight isterfyn 08 31 11 08 34 AM by isterfyn 0 999 0 2 in Iraq jimmuse 07 21 03 08 29 AM by larry bowdish 6 2 543 0 2 or Look alike needed larry bowdish 03 18 09 09 31 PM by larry bowdish 0 1 089 0 2 337 Formation Training Don Nieser 05 02 05 09 13 PM by larry bowdish 4 2 442 0 2A Fuel selector valve shutoff problem iswap 11 22 09 08 16 PM by hharney 1 1 460 02 Info Video at Oshkosh 2010 Roger 07 29 10 05 29 AM by skymstr02 3 1 344 02 Gear switch diagram grunty 08 21 02 03 39 PM by grunty 0 1 740 02 kicking a rick bell 10 13 08 12 18 PM by Ernie Martin 12 2

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    annual time 10 02 03 05 02 PM by 2 1 485 fuel onboard 10 03 03 12 05 AM by Ernie Martin 2 1 637 Gear 11 18 03 06 00 PM by FRED E 5 1 701 looking 02 17 03 05 17 AM by Jerry De Santis 1 1 539 Skymaster Training 02 19 03 10 53 PM by RRossner 7 2 271 337 Oxygen Leak 01 17 03 03 18 PM by rick bell 5 1 953 Need Partners 06 20 02 01 20 PM by 0 1 742 MTOW OF 4 400 lbs EUROCONTROL FEES 10 14 13 01 35 PM by Quentin 12 4 221 Throttle Quadrant Cables Oil Pressure 10 22 02 06 34 PM by Guy Paris 6 2 004 help with engine problem 10 21 02 02 48 PM by GMAs 1 1 758 Service Bulletin 10 23 02 08 06 PM by 2 1 725 Engine Pre Heaters Preheating Techniques 11 03 02 02 47 PM by Tony Giantonio 14 3 399 European Skymasters 10 25 02 10 04 AM by Bob Cook 2 1 674 Looking for Super Skyrocket Skyrocket Specs 11 02 02 12 11 PM by larry bowdish 2 4 903 Questions about Skymasters 12 16 02 09 40 AM by Mark Hislop 11 2 873 Riley P337 wanted 1 2 12 24 02 08 21 AM by 16 4 841 landing gear 01 02 03 09 22 AM by EZCOPE 3 2 039 P337 STOL VG Options 06 12 02 08 46 PM by SkyKing 10 4 285 Page 1 of 101 1 2 3 11 51 Last Display Options Currently Active Users Showing threads 1 to 25 of 2521 23 0 members 23 guests Sorted By Thread Title Last Post Time Thread Start Time Number

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    PM by pilotpat 2 466 Left wing damage ralphkoehler 03 31 16 02 39 PM by Don Nieser 2 429 Skid strips JB78382 03 31 16 02 31 PM by Don Nieser 1 334 BETRAYAL Clinton Castro the Cuban Five Seagull Tango 03 19 16 12 30 PM by Jim Nelson 4 2 402 Data Plate location kbecker 03 14 16 09 24 PM by edasmus 4 322 Turbos altitude advantage 1 2 YankeeClipper 03 14 16 11 26 AM by YankeeClipper 16 1 059 Is it possible to de rate a pressurized aircraft YankeeClipper 03 14 16 11 12 AM by YankeeClipper 1 320 Fuel Stains bking 03 13 16 02 50 PM by bking 3 275 Upper Strut fairing removal Skymaster337B 03 09 16 08 01 PM by cessnadriver 1 336 Skymaster Ditching in Hawaii hharney 03 09 16 11 05 AM by JamesC 11 1 043 T337E Problem at full throttle full rich Hankgator 03 02 16 12 56 PM by Hankgator 7 751 Looking for C337 AP AVM AP AVM 02 27 16 02 18 PM by AP AVM 5 481 Center line thrust prototype Frank Benvin 02 25 16 10 24 AM by Frank Benvin 0 293 T337E question about door latch assembly Hankgator 02 16 16 10 03 AM by Hankgator 0 296 Alaska spec 337s chrisktx 02 14 16 06 04 PM by n86121 1 527 337G Upper Cabin Door Assist chrisktx 02 12 16 11 34 AM by JamesC 3 467 Centering your Navomatic autopilot n86121 02 11 16 10 50 PM by hharney 5 571 Empty weight concerns klpilot 02 11 16 10 17 AM by JAG 3 557 Page 1 of 101 1 2 3 11 51 Last Display Options Currently Active Users Showing threads 1 to 25 of 2521

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    Cook 2 2 939 Bahamas Meeting swells to 41 Ernie Martin 04 26 02 07 08 PM by Ernie Martin 0 2 547 Treasure Cay Rendezvous Bob Cook 04 30 02 08 18 AM by Bob Cook 3 2 963 Low Slow Big Ouch SkyKing 04 30 02 01 48 PM by SkyKing 0 2 667 UNO Gone jimmuse 05 03 02 09 14 AM by kevin 8 3 306 Gear Problem solved Dale Campbell 05 03 02 09 38 AM by Dale Campbell 0 2 562 Oil Level Jose L Ichaso 05 05 02 10 50 AM by Jose L Ichaso 4 2 982 More Bahama meeting Eustacio Chachi 05 06 02 10 38 PM by Eustacio Chachi 1 2 535 Avatars do others want them skymstr02 05 07 02 09 28 AM by kevin 1 2 567 Fuel Caps Wayne Pearce 05 08 02 02 11 AM by GMAs 1 2 624 Request for logo photograph was Kevin Wayne Pearce 05 08 02 06 30 PM by kevin 1 2 451 Oshkosh anyone Arlington kevin 05 08 02 06 35 PM by Bob Cook 11 3 629 Back home Eustacio Chachi 05 08 02 09 54 PM by larry bowdish 9 3 382 Inboard fuel tank 1 2 jhickam 05 11 02 12 45 AM by GMAs 16 6 179 Pitot Heat jhickam 05 11 02 01 15 AM by GMAs 2 2 865 Emergency lighting Bob Cook 05 11 02 02 06 PM by SkyKing 3 3 101 3 blade MT props for 337 05 12 02 03 40 PM by 10 3 917 guide rollers on control column P version Bob Cook 05 12 02 07 56 PM by SkyKing 3 2 564 Page 1 of 101 1 2 3 11 51 Last Display Options Currently

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    12 10 45 PM by mhudsonbsme 55 8 755 April 2004 Meeting 1 2 3 4 Jerry De Santis 04 25 04 04 19 PM by kevin 55 12 987 One VERY good reason for owning a 337 1 2 3 4 SkyKing 04 27 06 09 57 PM by Keven 54 16 764 Engine Analyzer Question Lean vs Rich of Peak Engine Longevity 1 2 3 4 GJ Humphrey 02 09 11 08 49 PM by Walter Atkinson 54 13 679 2006 Meeting 1 2 3 4 Jerry De Santis 06 09 06 04 59 AM by Paul462 50 18 864 Fuel Control monitor or Signal conditioner 1 2 3 4 edasmus 05 09 10 07 50 PM by dwbomber 49 8 636 Those Michigan Flyers at it again 1 2 3 4 hharney 11 03 08 01 30 PM by Keven 48 15 569 Oshkosh 1 2 3 4 kevin 07 25 02 10 20 AM by larry bowdish 48 7 914 Skymaster valuations 1 2 3 4 ipasgas1 05 15 11 12 56 PM by stratobee 47 12 643 New AD for wings 1 2 3 4 larry bowdish 01 30 11 12 37 PM by Jerry De Santis 46 13 270 Rear Engine wants to Die 1 2 3 4 side241 09 26 05 02 02 PM by Walter Atkinson 46 11 896 2008 SOAPA Fly In 1 2 3 Paul462 06 27 08 07 32 PM by hharney 41 9 681 Poll hurricane relief 1 2 3 travis 01 02 06 11 06 PM by hharney 41 8 968 SOAPA 2005 Meeting in Key West Florida 1 2 3 kevin 06 30 05 03 12 PM by larry bowdish 40 9 661 Autopilot Servo 1 2 3 Paul Sharp 07 21 02 05 33 PM

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    54 16 764 Those Michigan Flyers at it again 1 2 3 4 hharney 11 03 08 01 30 PM by Keven 48 15 569 Rich of Peak ROP vs Lean of Peak LOP Engine operation 1 2 3 4 Nick Bailey 03 12 05 01 36 AM by gwbraly 59 14 723 336 Owners 1 2 3 J T Grant 06 07 08 06 48 AM by David Dixon 39 14 469 Next meeting fly in 1 2 3 4 5 Last Page GMAs 11 08 02 12 51 PM by 75 14 358 Engine Analyzer Question Lean vs Rich of Peak Engine Longevity 1 2 3 4 GJ Humphrey 02 09 11 08 49 PM by Walter Atkinson 54 13 679 New AD for wings 1 2 3 4 larry bowdish 01 30 11 12 37 PM by Jerry De Santis 46 13 270 April 2004 Meeting 1 2 3 4 Jerry De Santis 04 25 04 04 19 PM by kevin 55 12 987 Skymaster valuations 1 2 3 4 ipasgas1 05 15 11 12 56 PM by stratobee 47 12 643 Nashville Meeting Latest News 1 2 Jerry De Santis 04 26 03 07 33 AM by larry bowdish 29 12 018 Rear Engine wants to Die 1 2 3 4 side241 09 26 05 02 02 PM by Walter Atkinson 46 11 896 Turbo Trouble 1 2 3 GJ Humphrey 07 20 15 11 13 PM by JamesC 38 11 852 7 O 2 s for sale by USAF Ron Moore 12 01 10 06 03 PM by AussieO2 8 11 295 1976 P337 Accident at LAL 1 14 05 1 2 Keven 06 02 12 10 03 PM by hharney 27 11 108 C337 Flight Simulator 1 2 Owen FSD 02 09 05 05

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  • Cessna C337 SID - Skymaster Forum
    USA Posts 35 Unfortunately I have been through this dog and pony show before Please refer to this article from Mike Busch from 2004 Cessna will sit and listen but the course of action is already determined by Cessna with the FAA blessing The sad part about this is that there is no nada zero determination by investigation if aircraft was abused or g limits routinely exceeded And don t ask Cessna for the Analysis data or you will be hustled out by the TSA Homeland Security FBI or Marv Nuss personally twin cessna org reference twnc400nprms2 pdf http www avweb com news features 189243 1 html K337A View Public Profile Find all posts by K337A 9 08 20 09 03 25 PM K337A Registered User Join Date Jul 2009 Location USA Posts 35 Mr Truman Sparks and his fine flying machine Best line in the film as he picks up the chicken No flying today Agnes Then Mr Sparks does a a little field approved Duct tape repair Aircraft is now owned by Randy Deluca s son Still fly s it out in California K337A View Public Profile Find all posts by K337A 10 08 20 09 05 17 PM edasmus Registered User Join Date Nov 2006 Location ARR Aurora IL USA Posts 284 Thanks for the info gentlemen I tell ya I must be getting old and crabby but between the FAA who happens to be my employer incidentally the TSA Cessna and others flying my Skymaster on a sunny day to play a round of golf is getting to be more and more challenging It shouldn t be so complicated Thanks again Ed edasmus View Public Profile Find all posts by edasmus 11 08 20 09 05 34 PM larry bowdish Dive Bomber Join Date Apr 2002 Location Kalamazoo MI Posts 1 512 I couldn t agree with you more Ed Just be thankful you weren t planning on going to Martha s Vineyard real soon larry bowdish View Public Profile Find all posts by larry bowdish 12 08 20 09 06 26 PM Ernie Martin Administrator Join Date Apr 2002 Location Miami Florida Posts 959 The two links contained in one of the above messages were very informative The one important element that may be pertinent to the upcoming meetings and where we have critical data to contribute is cabin weight This is somewhat simplified but in the first of the two links Mike Busch makes the case that Cessna s analysis seems to have assumed large cabin loads and low fuel loads in the stress analysis yielding fatigue lifes which are much shorter than if it had assumed low cabin loads and high fuel loads I believe that 337s are mostly operated with low cabin loads often with 1 or 2 occupants and often on long endurance surveillance missions with large fuel loads I know that I never use my 5th and 6th seats We must try to get Cessna to consider this which will

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  • Cessna C337 SID - Page 2 - Skymaster Forum
    model And it s a known fact the O 2 s lived a harder life and also had wing hard points tropical View Public Profile Find all posts by tropical 23 08 25 09 10 56 PM skymstr02 Ace of the Atmosphere Join Date Apr 2002 Location Madison MS Posts 305 Quote Originally Posted by tropical Yes you can delineate it Separate by O 2 336 and civilian 337 It s not a matter of exclusion but rather model And it s a known fact the O 2 s lived a harder life and also had wing hard points What I m saying is that some civil registered 337 s may have experienced the same stresses that an O 2 has If you are not the original purchaser from Cessna on your aircraft you do not know what kind of stresses have been accumulated on the airframe i used to work on a 337G N200ZF that was a fish spotter It had a 175 gal fuselage fuel tank to give it 22 hour endurance It was not uncommon for that airplane to take off at 6100 lbs and seven leg it from Houston to Cape Town South Africa What kind of stresses have been placed on that wing structure Fatigue is cumulative on aluminum and it doesn t matter if Lt Hamfist or commercial pilot Hamhand is at the controls O 2A wings are different from 337 wings as there is additional structure on the rear spar to absorb the firing loads from the hard points The wing spars and center carry thru spars are also physically larger than its civillian cousins Even the wing attach bolts are two sizes larger than its 337 counterpart An O 2 wing will not mate up to a civil fuselage There s no way that a prudent engineer could simply dismiss a portion of the population just because if was never in military service skymstr02 View Public Profile Visit skymstr02 s homepage Find all posts by skymstr02 24 08 26 09 06 15 AM larry bowdish Dive Bomber Join Date Apr 2002 Location Kalamazoo MI Posts 1 512 Quote Originally Posted by skymstr02 What I m saying is that some civil registered 337 s may have experienced the same stresses that an O 2 has If you are not the original purchaser from Cessna on your aircraft you do not know what kind of stresses have been accumulated on the airframe i used to work on a 337G N200ZF that was a fish spotter It had a 175 gal fuselage fuel tank to give it 22 hour endurance It was not uncommon for that airplane to take off at 6100 lbs and seven leg it from Houston to Cape Town South Africa What kind of stresses have been placed on that wing structure Fatigue is cumulative on aluminum and it doesn t matter if Lt Hamfist or commercial pilot Hamhand is at the controls O 2A wings are different from 337 wings as there is additional structure on the rear spar to absorb the firing loads from the hard points The wing spars and center carry thru spars are also physically larger than its civillian cousins Even the wing attach bolts are two sizes larger than its 337 counterpart An O 2 wing will not mate up to a civil fuselage There s no way that a prudent engineer could simply dismiss a portion of the population just because if was never in military service You are absolutely correct And when we ask if your airplane is used for low level work even then we are not getting a good picture of what that means Take for example someone doing fire spotting where they are making tight turns maneuvering at low altitudes with lots of thermals At the other end of the spectrum some one who is doing polar bear tracking where they are flying over a non thermal environment basically straight and level though at a low altitude You can t simply say 0 2 s had higher stresses I would argue that the fire spotter gets more stresses on a continuing basis than most of the 0 2 s in civilian service Remember that the 0 2 s that were beat up pretty badly were simply scrapped When you buy a plane and you look at the log books you can t tell what kind of use the aircraft had My former aircraft had lots of hours but it was a all used as a corp plane for a collection of companies and for a number of years was flying every day larry bowdish View Public Profile Find all posts by larry bowdish 25 08 26 09 10 06 AM tropical Registered User Join Date Oct 2006 Location Florida Posts 146 Quote Originally Posted by larry bowdish You are absolutely correct And when we ask if your airplane is used for low level work even then we are not getting a good picture of what that means Take for example someone doing fire spotting where they are making tight turns maneuvering at low altitudes with lots of thermals At the other end of the spectrum some one who is doing polar bear tracking where they are flying over a non thermal environment basically straight and level though at a low altitude You can t simply say 0 2 s had higher stresses I would argue that the fire spotter gets more stresses on a continuing basis than most of the 0 2 s in civilian service Remember that the 0 2 s that were beat up pretty badly were simply scrapped When you buy a plane and you look at the log books you can t tell what kind of use the aircraft had My former aircraft had lots of hours but it was a all used as a corp plane for a collection of companies and for a number of years was flying every day By lumping O 2 s

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