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  • Skymaster Forum - View Single Post - Crosswinds
    to try to meet my goal of landing with an hour s reserve It worked out fine Note that the TAS 156 kts minus the 26 knots headwind component shown in the lower left does not equal the 144 knot ground speed you can see on the top left That is because the 26 knot headwind component is based on aircraft heading 004 not track 030 Headwind component of my

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  • Install Pirep with Stark Avionics GTN750, GLD88, GTX330ES - Skymaster Forum
    for my panel I feel like I selected the right equipment and I do love it I am still getting used to the GTN750 but I love the GLD 88 and traffic I now have Last edited by John Stark Yesterday at 04 08 PM bjherron View Public Profile Find all posts by bjherron 2 12 30 14 04 42 PM edasmus Registered User Join Date Nov 2006 Location ARR Aurora IL USA Posts 284 I m happy you re happy with your panel Your experience really REALLY makes me sad I truly enjoy flying but I have to admit the older I get and admittedly crustier the more I wonder if the headaches associated with maintaining and upgrading airplanes is worth it General Aviation is not easy that s for sure It really is difficult to tell who knows what they are doing and who doesn t until it s too late UGH Good Luck Ed P S Had a great day of flying my SkyMaster yesterday with two of my flying buddies good thing First time in a month due to schedule conflicts work Chicago winter Wx bad thing Do I sound conflicted Sorry for my little rant Thanks for sharing your story Last edited by edasmus 12 30 14 at 04 45 PM Reason additional thought edasmus View Public Profile Find all posts by edasmus 3 12 31 14 12 46 AM hharney Rough Surface Join Date Jul 2002 Location Michigan 08C Posts 1 640 Hate to say it Bryan but did you give Mayday in GRR are chance I really like those guys they are by far not the cheapest but good honest folks run the program there Maybe next time or maybe they can help you with your clean up on the issues you still have Give Tim or Ed a call and tell them I suggested you call Herb R Harney 1968 337C I m in the front of the aircraft to prevent it from committing suicide hharney View Public Profile Visit hharney s homepage Find all posts by hharney 4 04 19 15 10 21 PM bjherron Registered User Join Date Feb 2012 Location Ann Arbor MI Posts 31 Yea Herb you are right I thought the substantial savings was worth it but I guess not I have a follow up planned with Mayday to check everything out and do some additional work I had a problem with a long cross country flight last week I believe the avionics relay was sticking and preventing all of the garmin stuff from powering up We were trying to troubleshoot so we could make the 900 mile trip home and I emailed Stark Avionics just asking where the relay was and if they concurred with my thoughts Service was as I experienced before Here was their reply Quote Subject Re Relay failure Date Wed 15 Apr 2015 11 40 17 0400 From John Stark To Brian Herron I read your write up on the Internet Good luck with the power problem Last edited by bjherron 04 19 15 at 10 25 PM bjherron View Public Profile Find all posts by bjherron 5 04 21 15 09 22 AM hharney Rough Surface Join Date Jul 2002 Location Michigan 08C Posts 1 640 That is amazing who do these guys think they are Sounds like your bridge is already burned a professional company would want to resolve this issue but I guess that explains the type of company they are really sad Herb R Harney 1968 337C I m in the front of the aircraft to prevent it from committing suicide hharney View Public Profile Visit hharney s homepage Find all posts by hharney 6 05 20 15 12 41 AM John Stark Registered User Join Date May 2015 Location none Posts 2 Wrongfully accused My name is John Stark I am the owner of Stark Avionics in Columbus GA This year we celebrate 20 years in business Up until this post you could not find a negative comment anywhere on the internet To make it 20 years without a single negative comment is unheard of You will always have at least a couple customers that you can t please no matter how hard you try Below is the truth concerning Brian Herron and his installation The major issues with this installation were as follows 1 Prior to picking up the airplane we notified Mr Herron that connecting a GTN 750 and a GNS 530W to a GDL 88 to display traffic and weather is not legal and not in keeping with the STC and therefore FAA regulations That isn t to say that it won t work it just means to do so would jeopardize my repair station with the FAA Mr Herron disagreed with this and so did Garmin I didn t want to leave this unresolved so I contacted my local FAA inspector and he said that I was correct it was not in the installation manual and therefore would not be covered under the STC That was not enough for me I had to prove beyond any doubt that this was not something that could be done legally so I contacted the Atlanta FSDO management team to get the ultimate definitive answer from up as high as it goes I talked to David M Dunn Regional Specialist Avionics RAMPS Coordinator Southern Region Technical Branch ASO230 Who talked to the person at the highest level David Crew Sr FTE ACE 116A 404 474 5563 David Crew agreed that this was not only breaking the STC but could possibly be dangerous He then went on about why this could potentially be dangerous After getting this definitive answer the Garmin rep suggested that Mr Herron go and get this done elsewhere knowing that the FAA had ruled it illegal at least according to the FAA that I have to answer to To do this 2 wire simple interface is not worth losing my license over This fueled Mr Herron to find us at fault for everything in the airplane I understand the frustration but I just can t let the FAA take my repair station license so that one customer gets a feature that he wants in a secondary GPS nav com I agreed to do this before taking on the job not realizing that my FAA would consider it illegal I m sorry that I couldn t help my customer for this squawk 2 The next problem was that the GTN 750 and the GNS 530W did not have the crossfill wires connected This was a valid complaint and an oversight on the part of Stark Avionics Mr Herron had every right to be upset with this Mr Herron was allotted 1500 for this error which I think is more than fair We completely wired his Flight Stream 210 minus the connector that never showed up from Garmin It would have taken less than an hour to stick the wires we ran into a connector and mount the Flight Stream This work had significant value and was removed from the invoice to compensate my customer If you disagree please call your local shop and ask them how much it would be to wire a Flight Stream 210 in a Cessna 414 3 Mr Herron decided to pick up his airplane after working hours on a Friday Because of this he was in a big hurry and made some VERY critical mistakes We used external power to operate the airplanes electrical system the entire time that we had the aircraft We do this so the battery will not be low when the customer picks up the airplane As it turns out a cell was bad in the battery and caused the battery voltage to be less than 24 volts even when fully charged I asked him to contact the local mechanic before going any further but he refused to take the time and asked us to jump start the airplane The jump start worked but because of the bad cell in the battery it caused the electrical system many problems As Mr Herron said he contacted me and I couldn t help him However I own an avionics shop We are not authorized to do anything with batteries alternators etc He made our inability to serve him in this capacity into an unwillingness to serve him That just wasn t the case 4 Finally there is the pressurization issue I have requested on multiple occasions for Mr Herron to present me with that bill I want to talk to the shop that worked on it All we did was mount an antenna in accordance with a DER drawing I seriously doubt that this was the issue but I would be happy to pay for the work if the maintenance shop that fixed the pressurization issue agrees that it was something that Stark Avionics broke The fact that he is unwilling to give out that information should tell you all you need to know Instead of taking responsibility for rushing and using bad judgment he asked that we compensate him for not only the electrical problems resulting from his bad decision but problems with the pressurization and a slew of other issues that despite his claims were probably bad before coming to our shop The airplane was in very bad shape when we got it It was not maintained well and had more problems than I would care to even list here Please judge Stark Avionics on 20 years in business having an impeccable reputation other than what you see here in this forum John Stark Stark Avionics 5290E ARMOUR RD COLUMBUS METRO AIRPORT COLUMBUS GA 31909 PH 706 321 1008 FAX 706 324 3770 Web page http starkavionics com John Stark View Public Profile Find all posts by John Stark 7 05 20 15 09 38 AM bjherron Registered User Join Date Feb 2012 Location Ann Arbor MI Posts 31 Welcome to the forum John Quote 1 Prior to picking up the airplane we notified Mr Herron that connecting a GTN 750 and a GNS 530W to a GDL 88 to display traffic and weather is not legal and not in keeping with the STC and therefore FAA regulations That isn t to say that it won t work it just means to do so would jeopardize my repair station with the FAA Mr Herron disagreed with this and so did Garmin I didn t want to leave this unresolved so I contacted my local FAA inspector and he said that I was correct it was not in the installation manual and therefore would not be covered under the STC That was not enough for me I had to prove beyond any doubt that this was not something that could be done legally so I contacted the Atlanta FSDO management team to get the ultimate definitive answer from up as high as it goes I talked to David M Dunn Regional Specialist Avionics RAMPS Coordinator Southern Region Technical Branch ASO230 Who talked to the person at the highest level David Crew Sr FTE ACE 116A 404 474 5563 David Crew agreed that this was not only breaking the STC but could possibly be dangerous He then went on about why this could potentially be dangerous After getting this definitive answer the Garmin rep suggested that Mr Herron go and get this done elsewhere knowing that the FAA had ruled it illegal at least according to the FAA that I have to answer to To do this 2 wire simple interface is not worth losing my license over This fueled Mr Herron to find us at fault for everything in the airplane I understand the frustration but I just can t let the FAA take my repair station license so that one customer gets a feature that he wants in a secondary GPS nav com I agreed to do this before taking on the job not realizing that my FAA would consider it illegal I m sorry that I couldn t help my customer for this squawk You start out this with prior to picking up the plane This statement is false you never told me that you didn t wire this up before I paid you and flew the plane home It was only after my trip when I came up with a large squak list that you said it wasn t allowed and this whole discussion with the FAA and Garmin began At that point it becomes a defensive topic because a feature was paid for never delivered and only after the fact is it proclaimed that it can t be done because of the FAA and contrary to Garmin s own rep Quote 2 The next problem was that the GTN 750 and the GNS 530W did not have the crossfill wires connected This was a valid complaint and an oversight on the part of Stark Avionics Mr Herron had every right to be upset with this Mr Herron was allotted 1500 for this error which I think is more than fair We completely wired his Flight Stream 210 minus the connector that never showed up from Garmin It would have taken less than an hour to stick the wires we ran into a connector and mount the Flight Stream This work had significant value and was removed from the invoice to compensate my customer If you disagree please call your local shop and ask them how much it would be to wire a Flight Stream 210 in a Cessna 414 I think we can agree that there was a 1500 credit however we do not agree why The credit was primarily because you charged me for a Flightstream 210 that was never delivered or installed Your definition of pre wired was to run a power and data wire into the avionics bay but not actually install the connectors There were numerous other things that happened that had a huge cost to me dead STEC autopilot no pressurization transponder switch wired wrong dead battery no crossfill that 1500 doesn t even scratch the surface of I didn t even want the money I wanted what I paid for My offer was to pay the flight and travel expenses to have your guy come up and fix the wiring issues but you declined I m sure most people could understand that I wasn t willing to fly the plane back and risk another bad departure experience after the first one Quote 3 Mr Herron decided to pick up his airplane after working hours on a Friday Because of this he was in a big hurry and made some VERY critical mistakes We used external power to operate the airplanes electrical system the entire time that we had the aircraft We do this so the battery will not be low when the customer picks up the airplane As it turns out a cell was bad in the battery and caused the battery voltage to be less than 24 volts even when fully charged I asked him to contact the local mechanic before going any further but he refused to take the time and asked us to jump start the airplane The jump start worked but because of the bad cell in the battery it caused the electrical system many problems As Mr Herron said he contacted me and I couldn t help him However I own an avionics shop We are not authorized to do anything with batteries alternators etc He made our inability to serve him in this capacity into an unwillingness to serve him That just wasn t the case Again this is not how the story played out but in any story I suppose there are two sides and the truth is somewhere in the middle Bottom line is we agreed on the Friday afternoon pickup time If you did not want to be inconvenienced in a Friday you should have not agreed to it I am a small business owner and if someone wants to give me 30K in business I would be there on a Saturday night for them Only when I arrived was I informed that the battery wasn t holding a charge The plane was also not fully finished a tech was still working on the panel when I pulled in You suggested leaving the charger on it that was already connected while your tech was working on the panel so we tried it It didn t work and by the time I taxied back you were already gone and unwilling to return to the airfield Only then from your cell phone did you say that you re only an avionics guy and that I should call a field mechanic to fix my problem This did not rise to the level of service that I expected And truthfully the pickup experience is the moment really where everything went south Quote 4 Finally there is the pressurization issue I have requested on multiple occasions for Mr Herron to present me with that bill I want to talk to the shop that worked on it All we did was mount an antenna in accordance with a DER drawing I seriously doubt that this was the issue but I would be happy to pay for the work if the maintenance shop that fixed the pressurization issue agrees that it was something that Stark Avionics broke The fact that he is unwilling to give out that information should tell you all you need to know Are you offering to pay for this issue Is this a serious offer You can check flightaware and see that I flew to your shop at a pressurized altitude but had to return at an unpressurized altitude I ll have to check the work order but I think they checked the plate seal and that wasn t the case I think the heater hose going into the avionics area

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  • Crosswinds - Skymaster Forum
    meet my goal of landing with an hour s reserve It worked out fine Note that the TAS 156 kts minus the 26 knots headwind component shown in the lower left does not equal the 144 knot ground speed you can see on the top left That is because the 26 knot headwind component is based on aircraft heading 004 not track 030 Headwind component of my track was 12 knots i e True airspeed of 156 GS 144 12 knots actual headwind component Was supposed to a tailwind so it was a bit of a long flight Attached Thumbnails Last edited by JamesC Yesterday at 06 21 PM JamesC View Public Profile Find all posts by JamesC Previous Thread Next Thread Thread Tools Show Printable Version Email this Page Display Modes Rate This Thread Switch to Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Threaded Mode Rate This Thread 5 Excellent 4 Good 3 Average 2 Bad 1 Terrible Posting Rules You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts vB code is On Smilies are On IMG code is Off HTML code is Off Forum Jump User

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