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    data gsn gsndy zip Very large over 80 MB zipped over 500 MB unzipped I ve extracted info from the gsndy zip file and it is generally not up to date This appears to be the historical collection To red in R from zip file use data handle unz url project gsn data gsndy dat rb Raw Data Directory ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data gsn rawdata By country Reformated Directory ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data gsn reformated In files like reformated 07130 dly Z GSN GHCND Version I haven t determined yet what differences exist between Ron Ray and GHCN Versions Station Data Directory http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily gsn File nomenclature 22200029612 dly ccciiiwwwww country code id 5 digit wmo number For US stations they use the wmo number and not the GSN number A partial concordance of GSN and WMO numbers is at http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily ghcnd stations txt Readme ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily readme txt Other http www ncdc noaa gov oa usgcos renovationprojects htm http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data gcos GSN sum long term txt Alaska Karl readme http cdiac ornl gov ftp db1004 db1004 txt US CRN This is a recently sites are vintage 2002 2003 set up high quality network Station list http www ncdc noaa gov crn newstations sort by loc state Monthly data No organized information but a little information can be scraped from http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain abbrev2id datasetabbv GSNMON RAWS 2200 stations Station List http www fs fed us raws http www raws dri edu wraws MISC Station List http www rap ucar edu weather surface stations txt HOLLAND KNMI About 8 Dutch stations here with both metadata and data Metadata http www knmi nl klimatologie metadata Monthly Data Can be scraped from http climexp knmi nl getdutchstations cgi someone somewhere tg yielding webpages http climexp knmi nl data tgtg310 dat Daily data http climexp knmi nl selectdailyseries cgi someone somewhere http www knmi nl klimatologie daggegevens uitleg html EUROPE European Climate Assessment Dataset http eca knmi nl dailydata datadictionaryall php http ingrid ldeo columbia edu SOURCES NOAA NCDC GCPS MONTHLY STATION Name help dataselection Russia Data ftp ftp meteo ru okldata Switzerland Webpage for homogenized series http www meteoswiss ch web en climate climate since 1864 homogeneous data html Germany http www dwd de en FundE Klima KLIS daten online nat index standardformat htm 19 Stations http www dwd de de FundE Klima KLIS daten online wwr stationstabelle htm http www ntsg umt edu cgi bin show good ncdc stations pl http www ocs oregonstate edu page links climate data zones station climate climate stations html station images http www ocs orst edu pub ftp climate data mme Station names STATE California http wwwcimis water ca gov cimis data jsp http wwwcimis water ca gov cimis frontStationListData do NCDC Station Locator http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate stationlocator html Climate Data Modernization Program http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate cdmp cdmp html Image Access Program http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate cdmp wssrd html Webpages NNDC http cdo ncdc noaa gov CDO cdo Station Lists http www wrcc dri edu inventory http cdo ncdc noaa gov CDO inventory txt http cdo ncdc noaa gov cdo 3500stn txt ASOS http www nws noaa gov asos http www aoml noaa gov hrd asos Airport stations With photos http mi3 ncdc noaa gov mi3report MISC ASOS STATIONS TXT http www aoml noaa gov hrd asos completed txt Dec 2003 Coop Coop Network http www nws noaa gov om coop standard htm Active Stations List 1998 from NCDC Catalog http www wrcc dri edu inventory inventact html Also see http www wrcc dri edu inventory sodct html ct Connecticut Station History archived 1994 http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stnhistory old stnhis coop us Archived 1996 http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stnhistory stationh txt Photos http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stations photos CLIMAT Bulletins http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain DS3500 CLIMAT 3500 stations http cdo ncdc noaa gov cdo gsnmondoc txt http www ncdc noaa gov oa land html http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain abbrev2id datasetabbv GSNMON countryabbv georegionabbv forceoutside http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub orders CDO463711058580 html Histories http mrcc sws uiuc edu FORTS histories New Zealand NZ climate database description Description of free subscription http cliflo niwa co nz http cliflo niwa co nz pls niwp wgenf genform1 Like this Like Loading 27 Comments Allen Williams Posted Dec 22 2009 at 8 26 PM Permalink Reply Is there anywhere I can find the true raw temperature data what proxies and or actual stations are used for what years and a taxonomy of the various datasets What I m trying to do is find out how many different historical sets of temperature data there are and what organizations archive and rely on what data and what is the basis for that data I m aware that there are thousands of temperature stations all over the world are there multiple organizations that collect that data or is it collected and dessiminated by only one organization Assuming that more than one organization has this data where is it kept and is there a detailed audit trail of what the true raw readings were and how and by what algorithms they may have been adjusted for movement of the station changing environmental factors etc I apologize if this is OT or there is some simple place on this site where this is located but I have looked at length to no avail TIA Allen Allen Williams Posted Dec 22 2009 at 8 34 PM Permalink Reply Maybe what I m looking for at least for the raw data is the GHCN data Sorry for all the questions but what is the relationship between the GHCN data and the CRU GISS and NOAA indices Thanks again Allen P S What prompted this is a discussion with someone who claimed there were thousands of data sets that all showed warming over the last hundred years and I took issue with that Then later I saw the same claim in the comments section of a newspaper article on climategate I was under the impression there were only one or two datasets all the other researchers used and if they were corrupted in would have very far reaching ramifications Street Posted Dec 25 2009 at 2 56 PM Permalink Reply Steve found a nice Google Earth tool for viewing GISS station data Not sure if it s raw of adjusted probably adjusted but still handy http edgcm columbia edu mankoff StationData stephen richards Posted Jan 2 2010 at 9 19 AM Permalink Reply Steve anyone All the raw data I m finding is in text form How the hell do I convert to a form suirable for use in R The obvious very tedious way I can work out but is there another Please Steve I ve posted utilities for converting station data to R See climateaudit info scripts Which station data are you looking at PS I ve converted the Met Office dump into a more organized R format and could place this online Adrian Ocneanu Posted Jan 4 2010 at 8 34 PM Permalink Reply A google world map with clickable stations leading to raw temperature measurements would be tremendously powerful in helping people look with their own eyes rather than go for pre chewed data Richard Linsley Hood Posted Jan 29 2010 at 11 50 AM Permalink Reply Steve anyone I have downloaded the Jones et al Model data for Oxford UK from http image guardian co uk sys files Guardian documents 2009 12 08 uk csv an extract from http www metoffice gov uk climatechange science monitoring reference All zip and compared it to the Actual temperatures as recorded at http www metoffice gov uk climate uk stationdata oxforddata txt for the relevant dates 1900 1980 These two series are believed to be the same station Model Number 038900 Name OXFORD Country UK Lat 51 7 Long 1 2 Height 63 and Actual Oxford Location 4509E 2072N 63 Meters I have caclulated the tMonthlyMean values from the Actual data and compared it to the Model tMonthlyMean figures on a month by month basis These mostly show a 0 05 difference which is presumably due to some rounding errors to get to 0 1 degree published values either by me or by others Can anyone tell me why then the last fews years of the Model data 1978 1980 differs so widely from the Actual recorded temperatures The Model is out by up to 2 2 degress C and an average of 0 36 degress C of warming compared to the Actual temperatures for just these last few years Actual Model Oxford 1978 1980 Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec 1978 0 15 0 35 0 35 0 35 0 35 0 15 0 25 0 40 0 35 0 25 0 05 0 45 1979 0 15 0 25 0 35 0 35 0 30 0 15 0 25 0 40 0 90 0 25 0 20 0 05 1980 0 20 0 25 0 70 0 40 0 35 0 15 0 35 0 40 0 40 0 30 0 15 2 20 Anyone with any insights into this divergence of the Jones et al Model from Actual xyzlatin Posted Mar 6 2010 at 1 47 AM Permalink Reply I read somewhere recently unfortunately cannot remember where that the reason that the temperature figures are changed or updated is because only thermometers that have been in existence for 20 years are taken into account initially but then as they reach 20 years they are added into the measurements as are their measurements which go back 20 years Firstly is this correct Secondly if this is so how many of these thermometers in waiting are there and where are they situated In view of the long term planning to hoodwink the public in my view of course I would not put it past some people to have placed thermometers in locations which will favour the increase This is also related to the demise of many thermometers in rural locations as already documented I look forward to some comment on this ThosTHos Posted Mar 14 2010 at 4 14 AM Permalink Reply In view of the long term planning to hoodwink the public in my view of course I would not put it past some people to have placed thermometers in locations which will favour the increase It may be your view but that doesn t mean you don t need evidence My experience of climate scientists is that they couldn t give a toss whether the public believes them or not and nor should they It s good if your work turns out useful but you don t know that until you ve done it As to placing the thermometers how would you choose sites that favour the increase I ve been a meteorologist for 30 years and I would have thought it was impossible Also thermometers are located to aid weather forecasting usually up to 5 days ahead at most and mostly for aviation military or agricultural purposes The use of the data by climatologists is incidental they have no influence over the siting of most instruments even in the UK Met Office there is no overlap Jennifer Posted Mar 7 2010 at 4 42 PM Permalink Reply The USHCN files for 1 2 and 3 5 station site ratings include 5 of the Pennsylvanian stations On the survey results maps it looks as if most if not all of them were rated Is there a table of the surface station ratings 1 5 for all the surface stations rated While I found the documentation for the surveys at http surfacestations org I was unable to locate such a table John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 50 PM Permalink Reply Jennifer You may already have this and it s not actually a table but Menne has posted a map showing two groups of ratings 1 2 and 3 5 for all the surfacestation org ratings that Anthony has released ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly menne etal2010 pdf I should remark that these were only a preliminary and partial release and that Mr Watts is justifiably imho bent out of shape at Menne s precipitous use of this data Good luck in your explorations John Slayton Azusa CA Hilary Olsen Posted Apr 22 2014 at 10 39 AM Permalink Reply John Slayton My name is Hilary Olsen from Cal Poly I work at the ITRC and I have draft of the Coop Weather Station 047851 Narrative History If you get this please email me back for I have a few questions Thanks Hilary John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 51 PM Permalink Reply Meant to add the map is around p 20 or 21 JWS John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 56 PM Permalink Reply Whoops save your time Menne s version has less information than the surfacestation org site itself Oh well js John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 11 14 PM Permalink Back again Maybe these two lists will be helpful ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly ushcn surfacestations ratings 1 2 txt ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly ushcn surfacestations ratings 3 4 5 txt js Jennifer Posted Mar 23 2010 at 12 46 AM Permalink I really appreciate the effort When I first found those lists I figured that I had everything But if you compare the number of stations Watts et al surveyed look at their map with the information over at NOAA it looks incomplete to me For now I am continuing my analysis without this information It would have been so nice to run a full comparison but that can be added in when I m done with the rest John Slayton Posted Apr 15 2011 at 5 03 PM Permalink Jennifer This is a very late reply and probably therefore irrelevant but I finally found Menne s station list at http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate research ushcn menne et al 2010 Look for links to Set 1 Set 2 Set 3 and Set 4 gimply Posted Mar 14 2010 at 11 21 AM Permalink Reply While you personally may find it inconceivable the climategate emails WATTS observations and the diarizations on this blog suggest to ME that such a practice is at lesat negligent and may be both deliberate and widespread John Slayton Posted Mar 18 2010 at 12 51 AM Permalink Reply I posted these over at WUWT chiefio some readers may find it useful Previous discussions the lost stations in Honolulu and Dutch Harbour have already called attention to the limited intelligence of available data searches Trivial errors lead to blind alleys Type in MCMILLIN instead of MC MILLIN and MMS will simply report that it couldn t find a match The list of version 2 stations available at http cdiac ornl gov ftp ushcn v2 monthly ushcn stations txt contains over 250 station names that do not match the MMS data For whatever use it may have I have used the COOP numbers to look up and correct these names The resulting file is posted at http members dslextreme com users juanslayton v2 stations txt Of course I don t really know which names are correct but MMS has more information so I go with their names and here s the list of closed v2 stations Many have been closed since the 90 s One does wonder what motivates creating a new network incorporating stations that have been closed ten or fifteen years http members dslextreme com users juanslayton closedstations gallopingcamel Posted Mar 21 2010 at 3 42 PM Permalink Reply Steve It seems to be well established that the number of stations reported at GHCN is dropping Peterson Vose 1997 1998 recently updated by D Aleo Watts I used to earn a living collecting energetic photons up to 170 MeV It would never have occurred to me to discard 80 of the data before starting the analysis Is there any reasonable explanation for doing so in Climate Science E M Smith Posted Apr 12 2010 at 4 25 PM Permalink Reply It looks to me like there is an unclosed bold at GSN GHCND Version as everything after that heading stays bolded xyzlatin Not all data sets are created equal The GHCN keeps the short records That is then fed into GIStemp that tosses out anything sorter than 20 years in the STEP2 processing just prior to the PApars f program So depending on where you stick your ladle in the river you get different results IMHO the more upriver from the effluent producers the better Allan Williams Even the GHCN UN Adjusted data are rather adjusted I ve yet to find actual raw sources The QA process can fabricate data based on averages of nearby stations and can change the values of items http chiefio wordpress com 2010 04 11 qa or tossing data you decide Don t know the size of the impact though gallopingcamel Yes the GHCN set has dropped from over 6000 at peak activity to about 1200 now Though in the last couple of years they have started adding stations back in not clear if they are adding warming stations but it looks like it ThosTHos how to pick warming vs cooling sites Easy Very easy First off you could just pick places with planned economic growth Like oh Airports I m sure it s just an accident that

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  • Station Data « Climate Audit
    data gsn gsndy zip Very large over 80 MB zipped over 500 MB unzipped I ve extracted info from the gsndy zip file and it is generally not up to date This appears to be the historical collection To red in R from zip file use data handle unz url project gsn data gsndy dat rb Raw Data Directory ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data gsn rawdata By country Reformated Directory ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data gsn reformated In files like reformated 07130 dly Z GSN GHCND Version I haven t determined yet what differences exist between Ron Ray and GHCN Versions Station Data Directory http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily gsn File nomenclature 22200029612 dly ccciiiwwwww country code id 5 digit wmo number For US stations they use the wmo number and not the GSN number A partial concordance of GSN and WMO numbers is at http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily ghcnd stations txt Readme ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily readme txt Other http www ncdc noaa gov oa usgcos renovationprojects htm http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data gcos GSN sum long term txt Alaska Karl readme http cdiac ornl gov ftp db1004 db1004 txt US CRN This is a recently sites are vintage 2002 2003 set up high quality network Station list http www ncdc noaa gov crn newstations sort by loc state Monthly data No organized information but a little information can be scraped from http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain abbrev2id datasetabbv GSNMON RAWS 2200 stations Station List http www fs fed us raws http www raws dri edu wraws MISC Station List http www rap ucar edu weather surface stations txt HOLLAND KNMI About 8 Dutch stations here with both metadata and data Metadata http www knmi nl klimatologie metadata Monthly Data Can be scraped from http climexp knmi nl getdutchstations cgi someone somewhere tg yielding webpages http climexp knmi nl data tgtg310 dat Daily data http climexp knmi nl selectdailyseries cgi someone somewhere http www knmi nl klimatologie daggegevens uitleg html EUROPE European Climate Assessment Dataset http eca knmi nl dailydata datadictionaryall php http ingrid ldeo columbia edu SOURCES NOAA NCDC GCPS MONTHLY STATION Name help dataselection Russia Data ftp ftp meteo ru okldata Switzerland Webpage for homogenized series http www meteoswiss ch web en climate climate since 1864 homogeneous data html Germany http www dwd de en FundE Klima KLIS daten online nat index standardformat htm 19 Stations http www dwd de de FundE Klima KLIS daten online wwr stationstabelle htm http www ntsg umt edu cgi bin show good ncdc stations pl http www ocs oregonstate edu page links climate data zones station climate climate stations html station images http www ocs orst edu pub ftp climate data mme Station names STATE California http wwwcimis water ca gov cimis data jsp http wwwcimis water ca gov cimis frontStationListData do NCDC Station Locator http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate stationlocator html Climate Data Modernization Program http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate cdmp cdmp html Image Access Program http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate cdmp wssrd html Webpages NNDC http cdo ncdc noaa gov CDO cdo Station Lists http www wrcc dri edu inventory http cdo ncdc noaa gov CDO inventory txt http cdo ncdc noaa gov cdo 3500stn txt ASOS http www nws noaa gov asos http www aoml noaa gov hrd asos Airport stations With photos http mi3 ncdc noaa gov mi3report MISC ASOS STATIONS TXT http www aoml noaa gov hrd asos completed txt Dec 2003 Coop Coop Network http www nws noaa gov om coop standard htm Active Stations List 1998 from NCDC Catalog http www wrcc dri edu inventory inventact html Also see http www wrcc dri edu inventory sodct html ct Connecticut Station History archived 1994 http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stnhistory old stnhis coop us Archived 1996 http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stnhistory stationh txt Photos http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stations photos CLIMAT Bulletins http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain DS3500 CLIMAT 3500 stations http cdo ncdc noaa gov cdo gsnmondoc txt http www ncdc noaa gov oa land html http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain abbrev2id datasetabbv GSNMON countryabbv georegionabbv forceoutside http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub orders CDO463711058580 html Histories http mrcc sws uiuc edu FORTS histories New Zealand NZ climate database description Description of free subscription http cliflo niwa co nz http cliflo niwa co nz pls niwp wgenf genform1 Like this Like Loading 27 Comments Allen Williams Posted Dec 22 2009 at 8 26 PM Permalink Reply Is there anywhere I can find the true raw temperature data what proxies and or actual stations are used for what years and a taxonomy of the various datasets What I m trying to do is find out how many different historical sets of temperature data there are and what organizations archive and rely on what data and what is the basis for that data I m aware that there are thousands of temperature stations all over the world are there multiple organizations that collect that data or is it collected and dessiminated by only one organization Assuming that more than one organization has this data where is it kept and is there a detailed audit trail of what the true raw readings were and how and by what algorithms they may have been adjusted for movement of the station changing environmental factors etc I apologize if this is OT or there is some simple place on this site where this is located but I have looked at length to no avail TIA Allen Allen Williams Posted Dec 22 2009 at 8 34 PM Permalink Reply Maybe what I m looking for at least for the raw data is the GHCN data Sorry for all the questions but what is the relationship between the GHCN data and the CRU GISS and NOAA indices Thanks again Allen P S What prompted this is a discussion with someone who claimed there were thousands of data sets that all showed warming over the last hundred years and I took issue with that Then later I saw the same claim in the comments section of a newspaper article on climategate I was under the impression there were only one or two datasets all the other researchers used and if they were corrupted in would have very far reaching ramifications Street Posted Dec 25 2009 at 2 56 PM Permalink Reply Steve found a nice Google Earth tool for viewing GISS station data Not sure if it s raw of adjusted probably adjusted but still handy http edgcm columbia edu mankoff StationData stephen richards Posted Jan 2 2010 at 9 19 AM Permalink Reply Steve anyone All the raw data I m finding is in text form How the hell do I convert to a form suirable for use in R The obvious very tedious way I can work out but is there another Please Steve I ve posted utilities for converting station data to R See climateaudit info scripts Which station data are you looking at PS I ve converted the Met Office dump into a more organized R format and could place this online Adrian Ocneanu Posted Jan 4 2010 at 8 34 PM Permalink Reply A google world map with clickable stations leading to raw temperature measurements would be tremendously powerful in helping people look with their own eyes rather than go for pre chewed data Richard Linsley Hood Posted Jan 29 2010 at 11 50 AM Permalink Reply Steve anyone I have downloaded the Jones et al Model data for Oxford UK from http image guardian co uk sys files Guardian documents 2009 12 08 uk csv an extract from http www metoffice gov uk climatechange science monitoring reference All zip and compared it to the Actual temperatures as recorded at http www metoffice gov uk climate uk stationdata oxforddata txt for the relevant dates 1900 1980 These two series are believed to be the same station Model Number 038900 Name OXFORD Country UK Lat 51 7 Long 1 2 Height 63 and Actual Oxford Location 4509E 2072N 63 Meters I have caclulated the tMonthlyMean values from the Actual data and compared it to the Model tMonthlyMean figures on a month by month basis These mostly show a 0 05 difference which is presumably due to some rounding errors to get to 0 1 degree published values either by me or by others Can anyone tell me why then the last fews years of the Model data 1978 1980 differs so widely from the Actual recorded temperatures The Model is out by up to 2 2 degress C and an average of 0 36 degress C of warming compared to the Actual temperatures for just these last few years Actual Model Oxford 1978 1980 Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec 1978 0 15 0 35 0 35 0 35 0 35 0 15 0 25 0 40 0 35 0 25 0 05 0 45 1979 0 15 0 25 0 35 0 35 0 30 0 15 0 25 0 40 0 90 0 25 0 20 0 05 1980 0 20 0 25 0 70 0 40 0 35 0 15 0 35 0 40 0 40 0 30 0 15 2 20 Anyone with any insights into this divergence of the Jones et al Model from Actual xyzlatin Posted Mar 6 2010 at 1 47 AM Permalink Reply I read somewhere recently unfortunately cannot remember where that the reason that the temperature figures are changed or updated is because only thermometers that have been in existence for 20 years are taken into account initially but then as they reach 20 years they are added into the measurements as are their measurements which go back 20 years Firstly is this correct Secondly if this is so how many of these thermometers in waiting are there and where are they situated In view of the long term planning to hoodwink the public in my view of course I would not put it past some people to have placed thermometers in locations which will favour the increase This is also related to the demise of many thermometers in rural locations as already documented I look forward to some comment on this ThosTHos Posted Mar 14 2010 at 4 14 AM Permalink Reply In view of the long term planning to hoodwink the public in my view of course I would not put it past some people to have placed thermometers in locations which will favour the increase It may be your view but that doesn t mean you don t need evidence My experience of climate scientists is that they couldn t give a toss whether the public believes them or not and nor should they It s good if your work turns out useful but you don t know that until you ve done it As to placing the thermometers how would you choose sites that favour the increase I ve been a meteorologist for 30 years and I would have thought it was impossible Also thermometers are located to aid weather forecasting usually up to 5 days ahead at most and mostly for aviation military or agricultural purposes The use of the data by climatologists is incidental they have no influence over the siting of most instruments even in the UK Met Office there is no overlap Jennifer Posted Mar 7 2010 at 4 42 PM Permalink Reply The USHCN files for 1 2 and 3 5 station site ratings include 5 of the Pennsylvanian stations On the survey results maps it looks as if most if not all of them were rated Is there a table of the surface station ratings 1 5 for all the surface stations rated While I found the documentation for the surveys at http surfacestations org I was unable to locate such a table John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 50 PM Permalink Reply Jennifer You may already have this and it s not actually a table but Menne has posted a map showing two groups of ratings 1 2 and 3 5 for all the surfacestation org ratings that Anthony has released ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly menne etal2010 pdf I should remark that these were only a preliminary and partial release and that Mr Watts is justifiably imho bent out of shape at Menne s precipitous use of this data Good luck in your explorations John Slayton Azusa CA Hilary Olsen Posted Apr 22 2014 at 10 39 AM Permalink Reply John Slayton My name is Hilary Olsen from Cal Poly I work at the ITRC and I have draft of the Coop Weather Station 047851 Narrative History If you get this please email me back for I have a few questions Thanks Hilary John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 51 PM Permalink Reply Meant to add the map is around p 20 or 21 JWS John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 56 PM Permalink Reply Whoops save your time Menne s version has less information than the surfacestation org site itself Oh well js John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 11 14 PM Permalink Back again Maybe these two lists will be helpful ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly ushcn surfacestations ratings 1 2 txt ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly ushcn surfacestations ratings 3 4 5 txt js Jennifer Posted Mar 23 2010 at 12 46 AM Permalink I really appreciate the effort When I first found those lists I figured that I had everything But if you compare the number of stations Watts et al surveyed look at their map with the information over at NOAA it looks incomplete to me For now I am continuing my analysis without this information It would have been so nice to run a full comparison but that can be added in when I m done with the rest John Slayton Posted Apr 15 2011 at 5 03 PM Permalink Jennifer This is a very late reply and probably therefore irrelevant but I finally found Menne s station list at http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate research ushcn menne et al 2010 Look for links to Set 1 Set 2 Set 3 and Set 4 gimply Posted Mar 14 2010 at 11 21 AM Permalink Reply While you personally may find it inconceivable the climategate emails WATTS observations and the diarizations on this blog suggest to ME that such a practice is at lesat negligent and may be both deliberate and widespread John Slayton Posted Mar 18 2010 at 12 51 AM Permalink Reply I posted these over at WUWT chiefio some readers may find it useful Previous discussions the lost stations in Honolulu and Dutch Harbour have already called attention to the limited intelligence of available data searches Trivial errors lead to blind alleys Type in MCMILLIN instead of MC MILLIN and MMS will simply report that it couldn t find a match The list of version 2 stations available at http cdiac ornl gov ftp ushcn v2 monthly ushcn stations txt contains over 250 station names that do not match the MMS data For whatever use it may have I have used the COOP numbers to look up and correct these names The resulting file is posted at http members dslextreme com users juanslayton v2 stations txt Of course I don t really know which names are correct but MMS has more information so I go with their names and here s the list of closed v2 stations Many have been closed since the 90 s One does wonder what motivates creating a new network incorporating stations that have been closed ten or fifteen years http members dslextreme com users juanslayton closedstations gallopingcamel Posted Mar 21 2010 at 3 42 PM Permalink Reply Steve It seems to be well established that the number of stations reported at GHCN is dropping Peterson Vose 1997 1998 recently updated by D Aleo Watts I used to earn a living collecting energetic photons up to 170 MeV It would never have occurred to me to discard 80 of the data before starting the analysis Is there any reasonable explanation for doing so in Climate Science E M Smith Posted Apr 12 2010 at 4 25 PM Permalink Reply It looks to me like there is an unclosed bold at GSN GHCND Version as everything after that heading stays bolded xyzlatin Not all data sets are created equal The GHCN keeps the short records That is then fed into GIStemp that tosses out anything sorter than 20 years in the STEP2 processing just prior to the PApars f program So depending on where you stick your ladle in the river you get different results IMHO the more upriver from the effluent producers the better Allan Williams Even the GHCN UN Adjusted data are rather adjusted I ve yet to find actual raw sources The QA process can fabricate data based on averages of nearby stations and can change the values of items http chiefio wordpress com 2010 04 11 qa or tossing data you decide Don t know the size of the impact though gallopingcamel Yes the GHCN set has dropped from over 6000 at peak activity to about 1200 now Though in the last couple of years they have started adding stations back in not clear if they are adding warming stations but it looks like it ThosTHos how to pick warming vs cooling sites Easy Very easy First off you could just pick places with planned economic growth Like oh Airports I m sure it s just an accident that

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    zip Very large over 80 MB zipped over 500 MB unzipped I ve extracted info from the gsndy zip file and it is generally not up to date This appears to be the historical collection To red in R from zip file use data handle unz url project gsn data gsndy dat rb Raw Data Directory ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data gsn rawdata By country Reformated Directory ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data gsn reformated In files like reformated 07130 dly Z GSN GHCND Version I haven t determined yet what differences exist between Ron Ray and GHCN Versions Station Data Directory http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily gsn File nomenclature 22200029612 dly ccciiiwwwww country code id 5 digit wmo number For US stations they use the wmo number and not the GSN number A partial concordance of GSN and WMO numbers is at http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily ghcnd stations txt Readme ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily readme txt Other http www ncdc noaa gov oa usgcos renovationprojects htm http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data gcos GSN sum long term txt Alaska Karl readme http cdiac ornl gov ftp db1004 db1004 txt US CRN This is a recently sites are vintage 2002 2003 set up high quality network Station list http www ncdc noaa gov crn newstations sort by loc state Monthly data No organized information but a little information can be scraped from http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain abbrev2id datasetabbv GSNMON RAWS 2200 stations Station List http www fs fed us raws http www raws dri edu wraws MISC Station List http www rap ucar edu weather surface stations txt HOLLAND KNMI About 8 Dutch stations here with both metadata and data Metadata http www knmi nl klimatologie metadata Monthly Data Can be scraped from http climexp knmi nl getdutchstations cgi someone somewhere tg yielding webpages http climexp knmi nl data tgtg310 dat Daily data http climexp knmi nl selectdailyseries cgi someone somewhere http www knmi nl klimatologie daggegevens uitleg html EUROPE European Climate Assessment Dataset http eca knmi nl dailydata datadictionaryall php http ingrid ldeo columbia edu SOURCES NOAA NCDC GCPS MONTHLY STATION Name help dataselection Russia Data ftp ftp meteo ru okldata Switzerland Webpage for homogenized series http www meteoswiss ch web en climate climate since 1864 homogeneous data html Germany http www dwd de en FundE Klima KLIS daten online nat index standardformat htm 19 Stations http www dwd de de FundE Klima KLIS daten online wwr stationstabelle htm http www ntsg umt edu cgi bin show good ncdc stations pl http www ocs oregonstate edu page links climate data zones station climate climate stations html station images http www ocs orst edu pub ftp climate data mme Station names STATE California http wwwcimis water ca gov cimis data jsp http wwwcimis water ca gov cimis frontStationListData do NCDC Station Locator http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate stationlocator html Climate Data Modernization Program http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate cdmp cdmp html Image Access Program http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate cdmp wssrd html Webpages NNDC http cdo ncdc noaa gov CDO cdo Station Lists http www wrcc dri edu inventory http cdo ncdc noaa gov CDO inventory txt http cdo ncdc noaa gov cdo 3500stn txt ASOS http www nws noaa gov asos http www aoml noaa gov hrd asos Airport stations With photos http mi3 ncdc noaa gov mi3report MISC ASOS STATIONS TXT http www aoml noaa gov hrd asos completed txt Dec 2003 Coop Coop Network http www nws noaa gov om coop standard htm Active Stations List 1998 from NCDC Catalog http www wrcc dri edu inventory inventact html Also see http www wrcc dri edu inventory sodct html ct Connecticut Station History archived 1994 http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stnhistory old stnhis coop us Archived 1996 http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stnhistory stationh txt Photos http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stations photos CLIMAT Bulletins http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain DS3500 CLIMAT 3500 stations http cdo ncdc noaa gov cdo gsnmondoc txt http www ncdc noaa gov oa land html http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain abbrev2id datasetabbv GSNMON countryabbv georegionabbv forceoutside http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub orders CDO463711058580 html Histories http mrcc sws uiuc edu FORTS histories New Zealand NZ climate database description Description of free subscription http cliflo niwa co nz http cliflo niwa co nz pls niwp wgenf genform1 Like this Like Loading 27 Comments Allen Williams Posted Dec 22 2009 at 8 26 PM Permalink Reply Is there anywhere I can find the true raw temperature data what proxies and or actual stations are used for what years and a taxonomy of the various datasets What I m trying to do is find out how many different historical sets of temperature data there are and what organizations archive and rely on what data and what is the basis for that data I m aware that there are thousands of temperature stations all over the world are there multiple organizations that collect that data or is it collected and dessiminated by only one organization Assuming that more than one organization has this data where is it kept and is there a detailed audit trail of what the true raw readings were and how and by what algorithms they may have been adjusted for movement of the station changing environmental factors etc I apologize if this is OT or there is some simple place on this site where this is located but I have looked at length to no avail TIA Allen Allen Williams Posted Dec 22 2009 at 8 34 PM Permalink Reply Maybe what I m looking for at least for the raw data is the GHCN data Sorry for all the questions but what is the relationship between the GHCN data and the CRU GISS and NOAA indices Thanks again Allen P S What prompted this is a discussion with someone who claimed there were thousands of data sets that all showed warming over the last hundred years and I took issue with that Then later I saw the same claim in the comments section of a newspaper article on climategate I was under the impression there were only one or two datasets all the other researchers used and if they were corrupted in would have very far reaching ramifications Street Posted Dec 25 2009 at 2 56 PM Permalink Reply Steve found a nice Google Earth tool for viewing GISS station data Not sure if it s raw of adjusted probably adjusted but still handy http edgcm columbia edu mankoff StationData stephen richards Posted Jan 2 2010 at 9 19 AM Permalink Reply Steve anyone All the raw data I m finding is in text form How the hell do I convert to a form suirable for use in R The obvious very tedious way I can work out but is there another Please Steve I ve posted utilities for converting station data to R See climateaudit info scripts Which station data are you looking at PS I ve converted the Met Office dump into a more organized R format and could place this online Adrian Ocneanu Posted Jan 4 2010 at 8 34 PM Permalink Reply A google world map with clickable stations leading to raw temperature measurements would be tremendously powerful in helping people look with their own eyes rather than go for pre chewed data Richard Linsley Hood Posted Jan 29 2010 at 11 50 AM Permalink Reply Steve anyone I have downloaded the Jones et al Model data for Oxford UK from http image guardian co uk sys files Guardian documents 2009 12 08 uk csv an extract from http www metoffice gov uk climatechange science monitoring reference All zip and compared it to the Actual temperatures as recorded at http www metoffice gov uk climate uk stationdata oxforddata txt for the relevant dates 1900 1980 These two series are believed to be the same station Model Number 038900 Name OXFORD Country UK Lat 51 7 Long 1 2 Height 63 and Actual Oxford Location 4509E 2072N 63 Meters I have caclulated the tMonthlyMean values from the Actual data and compared it to the Model tMonthlyMean figures on a month by month basis These mostly show a 0 05 difference which is presumably due to some rounding errors to get to 0 1 degree published values either by me or by others Can anyone tell me why then the last fews years of the Model data 1978 1980 differs so widely from the Actual recorded temperatures The Model is out by up to 2 2 degress C and an average of 0 36 degress C of warming compared to the Actual temperatures for just these last few years Actual Model Oxford 1978 1980 Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec 1978 0 15 0 35 0 35 0 35 0 35 0 15 0 25 0 40 0 35 0 25 0 05 0 45 1979 0 15 0 25 0 35 0 35 0 30 0 15 0 25 0 40 0 90 0 25 0 20 0 05 1980 0 20 0 25 0 70 0 40 0 35 0 15 0 35 0 40 0 40 0 30 0 15 2 20 Anyone with any insights into this divergence of the Jones et al Model from Actual xyzlatin Posted Mar 6 2010 at 1 47 AM Permalink Reply I read somewhere recently unfortunately cannot remember where that the reason that the temperature figures are changed or updated is because only thermometers that have been in existence for 20 years are taken into account initially but then as they reach 20 years they are added into the measurements as are their measurements which go back 20 years Firstly is this correct Secondly if this is so how many of these thermometers in waiting are there and where are they situated In view of the long term planning to hoodwink the public in my view of course I would not put it past some people to have placed thermometers in locations which will favour the increase This is also related to the demise of many thermometers in rural locations as already documented I look forward to some comment on this ThosTHos Posted Mar 14 2010 at 4 14 AM Permalink Reply In view of the long term planning to hoodwink the public in my view of course I would not put it past some people to have placed thermometers in locations which will favour the increase It may be your view but that doesn t mean you don t need evidence My experience of climate scientists is that they couldn t give a toss whether the public believes them or not and nor should they It s good if your work turns out useful but you don t know that until you ve done it As to placing the thermometers how would you choose sites that favour the increase I ve been a meteorologist for 30 years and I would have thought it was impossible Also thermometers are located to aid weather forecasting usually up to 5 days ahead at most and mostly for aviation military or agricultural purposes The use of the data by climatologists is incidental they have no influence over the siting of most instruments even in the UK Met Office there is no overlap Jennifer Posted Mar 7 2010 at 4 42 PM Permalink Reply The USHCN files for 1 2 and 3 5 station site ratings include 5 of the Pennsylvanian stations On the survey results maps it looks as if most if not all of them were rated Is there a table of the surface station ratings 1 5 for all the surface stations rated While I found the documentation for the surveys at http surfacestations org I was unable to locate such a table John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 50 PM Permalink Reply Jennifer You may already have this and it s not actually a table but Menne has posted a map showing two groups of ratings 1 2 and 3 5 for all the surfacestation org ratings that Anthony has released ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly menne etal2010 pdf I should remark that these were only a preliminary and partial release and that Mr Watts is justifiably imho bent out of shape at Menne s precipitous use of this data Good luck in your explorations John Slayton Azusa CA Hilary Olsen Posted Apr 22 2014 at 10 39 AM Permalink Reply John Slayton My name is Hilary Olsen from Cal Poly I work at the ITRC and I have draft of the Coop Weather Station 047851 Narrative History If you get this please email me back for I have a few questions Thanks Hilary John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 51 PM Permalink Reply Meant to add the map is around p 20 or 21 JWS John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 56 PM Permalink Reply Whoops save your time Menne s version has less information than the surfacestation org site itself Oh well js John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 11 14 PM Permalink Back again Maybe these two lists will be helpful ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly ushcn surfacestations ratings 1 2 txt ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly ushcn surfacestations ratings 3 4 5 txt js Jennifer Posted Mar 23 2010 at 12 46 AM Permalink I really appreciate the effort When I first found those lists I figured that I had everything But if you compare the number of stations Watts et al surveyed look at their map with the information over at NOAA it looks incomplete to me For now I am continuing my analysis without this information It would have been so nice to run a full comparison but that can be added in when I m done with the rest John Slayton Posted Apr 15 2011 at 5 03 PM Permalink Jennifer This is a very late reply and probably therefore irrelevant but I finally found Menne s station list at http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate research ushcn menne et al 2010 Look for links to Set 1 Set 2 Set 3 and Set 4 gimply Posted Mar 14 2010 at 11 21 AM Permalink Reply While you personally may find it inconceivable the climategate emails WATTS observations and the diarizations on this blog suggest to ME that such a practice is at lesat negligent and may be both deliberate and widespread John Slayton Posted Mar 18 2010 at 12 51 AM Permalink Reply I posted these over at WUWT chiefio some readers may find it useful Previous discussions the lost stations in Honolulu and Dutch Harbour have already called attention to the limited intelligence of available data searches Trivial errors lead to blind alleys Type in MCMILLIN instead of MC MILLIN and MMS will simply report that it couldn t find a match The list of version 2 stations available at http cdiac ornl gov ftp ushcn v2 monthly ushcn stations txt contains over 250 station names that do not match the MMS data For whatever use it may have I have used the COOP numbers to look up and correct these names The resulting file is posted at http members dslextreme com users juanslayton v2 stations txt Of course I don t really know which names are correct but MMS has more information so I go with their names and here s the list of closed v2 stations Many have been closed since the 90 s One does wonder what motivates creating a new network incorporating stations that have been closed ten or fifteen years http members dslextreme com users juanslayton closedstations gallopingcamel Posted Mar 21 2010 at 3 42 PM Permalink Reply Steve It seems to be well established that the number of stations reported at GHCN is dropping Peterson Vose 1997 1998 recently updated by D Aleo Watts I used to earn a living collecting energetic photons up to 170 MeV It would never have occurred to me to discard 80 of the data before starting the analysis Is there any reasonable explanation for doing so in Climate Science E M Smith Posted Apr 12 2010 at 4 25 PM Permalink Reply It looks to me like there is an unclosed bold at GSN GHCND Version as everything after that heading stays bolded xyzlatin Not all data sets are created equal The GHCN keeps the short records That is then fed into GIStemp that tosses out anything sorter than 20 years in the STEP2 processing just prior to the PApars f program So depending on where you stick your ladle in the river you get different results IMHO the more upriver from the effluent producers the better Allan Williams Even the GHCN UN Adjusted data are rather adjusted I ve yet to find actual raw sources The QA process can fabricate data based on averages of nearby stations and can change the values of items http chiefio wordpress com 2010 04 11 qa or tossing data you decide Don t know the size of the impact though gallopingcamel Yes the GHCN set has dropped from over 6000 at peak activity to about 1200 now Though in the last couple of years they have started adding stations back in not clear if they are adding warming stations but it looks like it ThosTHos how to pick warming vs cooling sites Easy Very easy First off you could just pick places with planned economic growth Like oh Airports I m sure it s just an accident that 92 of active

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    zip Very large over 80 MB zipped over 500 MB unzipped I ve extracted info from the gsndy zip file and it is generally not up to date This appears to be the historical collection To red in R from zip file use data handle unz url project gsn data gsndy dat rb Raw Data Directory ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data gsn rawdata By country Reformated Directory ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data gsn reformated In files like reformated 07130 dly Z GSN GHCND Version I haven t determined yet what differences exist between Ron Ray and GHCN Versions Station Data Directory http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily gsn File nomenclature 22200029612 dly ccciiiwwwww country code id 5 digit wmo number For US stations they use the wmo number and not the GSN number A partial concordance of GSN and WMO numbers is at http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily ghcnd stations txt Readme ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily readme txt Other http www ncdc noaa gov oa usgcos renovationprojects htm http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data gcos GSN sum long term txt Alaska Karl readme http cdiac ornl gov ftp db1004 db1004 txt US CRN This is a recently sites are vintage 2002 2003 set up high quality network Station list http www ncdc noaa gov crn newstations sort by loc state Monthly data No organized information but a little information can be scraped from http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain abbrev2id datasetabbv GSNMON RAWS 2200 stations Station List http www fs fed us raws http www raws dri edu wraws MISC Station List http www rap ucar edu weather surface stations txt HOLLAND KNMI About 8 Dutch stations here with both metadata and data Metadata http www knmi nl klimatologie metadata Monthly Data Can be scraped from http climexp knmi nl getdutchstations cgi someone somewhere tg yielding webpages http climexp knmi nl data tgtg310 dat Daily data http climexp knmi nl selectdailyseries cgi someone somewhere http www knmi nl klimatologie daggegevens uitleg html EUROPE European Climate Assessment Dataset http eca knmi nl dailydata datadictionaryall php http ingrid ldeo columbia edu SOURCES NOAA NCDC GCPS MONTHLY STATION Name help dataselection Russia Data ftp ftp meteo ru okldata Switzerland Webpage for homogenized series http www meteoswiss ch web en climate climate since 1864 homogeneous data html Germany http www dwd de en FundE Klima KLIS daten online nat index standardformat htm 19 Stations http www dwd de de FundE Klima KLIS daten online wwr stationstabelle htm http www ntsg umt edu cgi bin show good ncdc stations pl http www ocs oregonstate edu page links climate data zones station climate climate stations html station images http www ocs orst edu pub ftp climate data mme Station names STATE California http wwwcimis water ca gov cimis data jsp http wwwcimis water ca gov cimis frontStationListData do NCDC Station Locator http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate stationlocator html Climate Data Modernization Program http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate cdmp cdmp html Image Access Program http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate cdmp wssrd html Webpages NNDC http cdo ncdc noaa gov CDO cdo Station Lists http www wrcc dri edu inventory http cdo ncdc noaa gov CDO inventory txt http cdo ncdc noaa gov cdo 3500stn txt ASOS http www nws noaa gov asos http www aoml noaa gov hrd asos Airport stations With photos http mi3 ncdc noaa gov mi3report MISC ASOS STATIONS TXT http www aoml noaa gov hrd asos completed txt Dec 2003 Coop Coop Network http www nws noaa gov om coop standard htm Active Stations List 1998 from NCDC Catalog http www wrcc dri edu inventory inventact html Also see http www wrcc dri edu inventory sodct html ct Connecticut Station History archived 1994 http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stnhistory old stnhis coop us Archived 1996 http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stnhistory stationh txt Photos http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stations photos CLIMAT Bulletins http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain DS3500 CLIMAT 3500 stations http cdo ncdc noaa gov cdo gsnmondoc txt http www ncdc noaa gov oa land html http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain abbrev2id datasetabbv GSNMON countryabbv georegionabbv forceoutside http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub orders CDO463711058580 html Histories http mrcc sws uiuc edu FORTS histories New Zealand NZ climate database description Description of free subscription http cliflo niwa co nz http cliflo niwa co nz pls niwp wgenf genform1 Like this Like Loading 27 Comments Allen Williams Posted Dec 22 2009 at 8 26 PM Permalink Reply Is there anywhere I can find the true raw temperature data what proxies and or actual stations are used for what years and a taxonomy of the various datasets What I m trying to do is find out how many different historical sets of temperature data there are and what organizations archive and rely on what data and what is the basis for that data I m aware that there are thousands of temperature stations all over the world are there multiple organizations that collect that data or is it collected and dessiminated by only one organization Assuming that more than one organization has this data where is it kept and is there a detailed audit trail of what the true raw readings were and how and by what algorithms they may have been adjusted for movement of the station changing environmental factors etc I apologize if this is OT or there is some simple place on this site where this is located but I have looked at length to no avail TIA Allen Allen Williams Posted Dec 22 2009 at 8 34 PM Permalink Reply Maybe what I m looking for at least for the raw data is the GHCN data Sorry for all the questions but what is the relationship between the GHCN data and the CRU GISS and NOAA indices Thanks again Allen P S What prompted this is a discussion with someone who claimed there were thousands of data sets that all showed warming over the last hundred years and I took issue with that Then later I saw the same claim in the comments section of a newspaper article on climategate I was under the impression there were only one or two datasets all the other researchers used and if they were corrupted in would have very far reaching ramifications Street Posted Dec 25 2009 at 2 56 PM Permalink Reply Steve found a nice Google Earth tool for viewing GISS station data Not sure if it s raw of adjusted probably adjusted but still handy http edgcm columbia edu mankoff StationData stephen richards Posted Jan 2 2010 at 9 19 AM Permalink Reply Steve anyone All the raw data I m finding is in text form How the hell do I convert to a form suirable for use in R The obvious very tedious way I can work out but is there another Please Steve I ve posted utilities for converting station data to R See climateaudit info scripts Which station data are you looking at PS I ve converted the Met Office dump into a more organized R format and could place this online Adrian Ocneanu Posted Jan 4 2010 at 8 34 PM Permalink Reply A google world map with clickable stations leading to raw temperature measurements would be tremendously powerful in helping people look with their own eyes rather than go for pre chewed data Richard Linsley Hood Posted Jan 29 2010 at 11 50 AM Permalink Reply Steve anyone I have downloaded the Jones et al Model data for Oxford UK from http image guardian co uk sys files Guardian documents 2009 12 08 uk csv an extract from http www metoffice gov uk climatechange science monitoring reference All zip and compared it to the Actual temperatures as recorded at http www metoffice gov uk climate uk stationdata oxforddata txt for the relevant dates 1900 1980 These two series are believed to be the same station Model Number 038900 Name OXFORD Country UK Lat 51 7 Long 1 2 Height 63 and Actual Oxford Location 4509E 2072N 63 Meters I have caclulated the tMonthlyMean values from the Actual data and compared it to the Model tMonthlyMean figures on a month by month basis These mostly show a 0 05 difference which is presumably due to some rounding errors to get to 0 1 degree published values either by me or by others Can anyone tell me why then the last fews years of the Model data 1978 1980 differs so widely from the Actual recorded temperatures The Model is out by up to 2 2 degress C and an average of 0 36 degress C of warming compared to the Actual temperatures for just these last few years Actual Model Oxford 1978 1980 Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec 1978 0 15 0 35 0 35 0 35 0 35 0 15 0 25 0 40 0 35 0 25 0 05 0 45 1979 0 15 0 25 0 35 0 35 0 30 0 15 0 25 0 40 0 90 0 25 0 20 0 05 1980 0 20 0 25 0 70 0 40 0 35 0 15 0 35 0 40 0 40 0 30 0 15 2 20 Anyone with any insights into this divergence of the Jones et al Model from Actual xyzlatin Posted Mar 6 2010 at 1 47 AM Permalink Reply I read somewhere recently unfortunately cannot remember where that the reason that the temperature figures are changed or updated is because only thermometers that have been in existence for 20 years are taken into account initially but then as they reach 20 years they are added into the measurements as are their measurements which go back 20 years Firstly is this correct Secondly if this is so how many of these thermometers in waiting are there and where are they situated In view of the long term planning to hoodwink the public in my view of course I would not put it past some people to have placed thermometers in locations which will favour the increase This is also related to the demise of many thermometers in rural locations as already documented I look forward to some comment on this ThosTHos Posted Mar 14 2010 at 4 14 AM Permalink Reply In view of the long term planning to hoodwink the public in my view of course I would not put it past some people to have placed thermometers in locations which will favour the increase It may be your view but that doesn t mean you don t need evidence My experience of climate scientists is that they couldn t give a toss whether the public believes them or not and nor should they It s good if your work turns out useful but you don t know that until you ve done it As to placing the thermometers how would you choose sites that favour the increase I ve been a meteorologist for 30 years and I would have thought it was impossible Also thermometers are located to aid weather forecasting usually up to 5 days ahead at most and mostly for aviation military or agricultural purposes The use of the data by climatologists is incidental they have no influence over the siting of most instruments even in the UK Met Office there is no overlap Jennifer Posted Mar 7 2010 at 4 42 PM Permalink Reply The USHCN files for 1 2 and 3 5 station site ratings include 5 of the Pennsylvanian stations On the survey results maps it looks as if most if not all of them were rated Is there a table of the surface station ratings 1 5 for all the surface stations rated While I found the documentation for the surveys at http surfacestations org I was unable to locate such a table John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 50 PM Permalink Reply Jennifer You may already have this and it s not actually a table but Menne has posted a map showing two groups of ratings 1 2 and 3 5 for all the surfacestation org ratings that Anthony has released ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly menne etal2010 pdf I should remark that these were only a preliminary and partial release and that Mr Watts is justifiably imho bent out of shape at Menne s precipitous use of this data Good luck in your explorations John Slayton Azusa CA Hilary Olsen Posted Apr 22 2014 at 10 39 AM Permalink Reply John Slayton My name is Hilary Olsen from Cal Poly I work at the ITRC and I have draft of the Coop Weather Station 047851 Narrative History If you get this please email me back for I have a few questions Thanks Hilary John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 51 PM Permalink Reply Meant to add the map is around p 20 or 21 JWS John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 56 PM Permalink Reply Whoops save your time Menne s version has less information than the surfacestation org site itself Oh well js John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 11 14 PM Permalink Back again Maybe these two lists will be helpful ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly ushcn surfacestations ratings 1 2 txt ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly ushcn surfacestations ratings 3 4 5 txt js Jennifer Posted Mar 23 2010 at 12 46 AM Permalink I really appreciate the effort When I first found those lists I figured that I had everything But if you compare the number of stations Watts et al surveyed look at their map with the information over at NOAA it looks incomplete to me For now I am continuing my analysis without this information It would have been so nice to run a full comparison but that can be added in when I m done with the rest John Slayton Posted Apr 15 2011 at 5 03 PM Permalink Jennifer This is a very late reply and probably therefore irrelevant but I finally found Menne s station list at http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate research ushcn menne et al 2010 Look for links to Set 1 Set 2 Set 3 and Set 4 gimply Posted Mar 14 2010 at 11 21 AM Permalink Reply While you personally may find it inconceivable the climategate emails WATTS observations and the diarizations on this blog suggest to ME that such a practice is at lesat negligent and may be both deliberate and widespread John Slayton Posted Mar 18 2010 at 12 51 AM Permalink Reply I posted these over at WUWT chiefio some readers may find it useful Previous discussions the lost stations in Honolulu and Dutch Harbour have already called attention to the limited intelligence of available data searches Trivial errors lead to blind alleys Type in MCMILLIN instead of MC MILLIN and MMS will simply report that it couldn t find a match The list of version 2 stations available at http cdiac ornl gov ftp ushcn v2 monthly ushcn stations txt contains over 250 station names that do not match the MMS data For whatever use it may have I have used the COOP numbers to look up and correct these names The resulting file is posted at http members dslextreme com users juanslayton v2 stations txt Of course I don t really know which names are correct but MMS has more information so I go with their names and here s the list of closed v2 stations Many have been closed since the 90 s One does wonder what motivates creating a new network incorporating stations that have been closed ten or fifteen years http members dslextreme com users juanslayton closedstations gallopingcamel Posted Mar 21 2010 at 3 42 PM Permalink Reply Steve It seems to be well established that the number of stations reported at GHCN is dropping Peterson Vose 1997 1998 recently updated by D Aleo Watts I used to earn a living collecting energetic photons up to 170 MeV It would never have occurred to me to discard 80 of the data before starting the analysis Is there any reasonable explanation for doing so in Climate Science E M Smith Posted Apr 12 2010 at 4 25 PM Permalink Reply It looks to me like there is an unclosed bold at GSN GHCND Version as everything after that heading stays bolded xyzlatin Not all data sets are created equal The GHCN keeps the short records That is then fed into GIStemp that tosses out anything sorter than 20 years in the STEP2 processing just prior to the PApars f program So depending on where you stick your ladle in the river you get different results IMHO the more upriver from the effluent producers the better Allan Williams Even the GHCN UN Adjusted data are rather adjusted I ve yet to find actual raw sources The QA process can fabricate data based on averages of nearby stations and can change the values of items http chiefio wordpress com 2010 04 11 qa or tossing data you decide Don t know the size of the impact though gallopingcamel Yes the GHCN set has dropped from over 6000 at peak activity to about 1200 now Though in the last couple of years they have started adding stations back in not clear if they are adding warming stations but it looks like it ThosTHos how to pick warming vs cooling sites Easy Very easy First off you could just pick places with planned economic growth Like oh Airports I m sure it s just an accident that 92 of active

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    zip Very large over 80 MB zipped over 500 MB unzipped I ve extracted info from the gsndy zip file and it is generally not up to date This appears to be the historical collection To red in R from zip file use data handle unz url project gsn data gsndy dat rb Raw Data Directory ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data gsn rawdata By country Reformated Directory ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data gsn reformated In files like reformated 07130 dly Z GSN GHCND Version I haven t determined yet what differences exist between Ron Ray and GHCN Versions Station Data Directory http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily gsn File nomenclature 22200029612 dly ccciiiwwwww country code id 5 digit wmo number For US stations they use the wmo number and not the GSN number A partial concordance of GSN and WMO numbers is at http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily ghcnd stations txt Readme ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily readme txt Other http www ncdc noaa gov oa usgcos renovationprojects htm http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data gcos GSN sum long term txt Alaska Karl readme http cdiac ornl gov ftp db1004 db1004 txt US CRN This is a recently sites are vintage 2002 2003 set up high quality network Station list http www ncdc noaa gov crn newstations sort by loc state Monthly data No organized information but a little information can be scraped from http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain abbrev2id datasetabbv GSNMON RAWS 2200 stations Station List http www fs fed us raws http www raws dri edu wraws MISC Station List http www rap ucar edu weather surface stations txt HOLLAND KNMI About 8 Dutch stations here with both metadata and data Metadata http www knmi nl klimatologie metadata Monthly Data Can be scraped from http climexp knmi nl getdutchstations cgi someone somewhere tg yielding webpages http climexp knmi nl data tgtg310 dat Daily data http climexp knmi nl selectdailyseries cgi someone somewhere http www knmi nl klimatologie daggegevens uitleg html EUROPE European Climate Assessment Dataset http eca knmi nl dailydata datadictionaryall php http ingrid ldeo columbia edu SOURCES NOAA NCDC GCPS MONTHLY STATION Name help dataselection Russia Data ftp ftp meteo ru okldata Switzerland Webpage for homogenized series http www meteoswiss ch web en climate climate since 1864 homogeneous data html Germany http www dwd de en FundE Klima KLIS daten online nat index standardformat htm 19 Stations http www dwd de de FundE Klima KLIS daten online wwr stationstabelle htm http www ntsg umt edu cgi bin show good ncdc stations pl http www ocs oregonstate edu page links climate data zones station climate climate stations html station images http www ocs orst edu pub ftp climate data mme Station names STATE California http wwwcimis water ca gov cimis data jsp http wwwcimis water ca gov cimis frontStationListData do NCDC Station Locator http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate stationlocator html Climate Data Modernization Program http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate cdmp cdmp html Image Access Program http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate cdmp wssrd html Webpages NNDC http cdo ncdc noaa gov CDO cdo Station Lists http www wrcc dri edu inventory http cdo ncdc noaa gov CDO inventory txt http cdo ncdc noaa gov cdo 3500stn txt ASOS http www nws noaa gov asos http www aoml noaa gov hrd asos Airport stations With photos http mi3 ncdc noaa gov mi3report MISC ASOS STATIONS TXT http www aoml noaa gov hrd asos completed txt Dec 2003 Coop Coop Network http www nws noaa gov om coop standard htm Active Stations List 1998 from NCDC Catalog http www wrcc dri edu inventory inventact html Also see http www wrcc dri edu inventory sodct html ct Connecticut Station History archived 1994 http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stnhistory old stnhis coop us Archived 1996 http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stnhistory stationh txt Photos http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stations photos CLIMAT Bulletins http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain DS3500 CLIMAT 3500 stations http cdo ncdc noaa gov cdo gsnmondoc txt http www ncdc noaa gov oa land html http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain abbrev2id datasetabbv GSNMON countryabbv georegionabbv forceoutside http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub orders CDO463711058580 html Histories http mrcc sws uiuc edu FORTS histories New Zealand NZ climate database description Description of free subscription http cliflo niwa co nz http cliflo niwa co nz pls niwp wgenf genform1 Like this Like Loading 27 Comments Allen Williams Posted Dec 22 2009 at 8 26 PM Permalink Reply Is there anywhere I can find the true raw temperature data what proxies and or actual stations are used for what years and a taxonomy of the various datasets What I m trying to do is find out how many different historical sets of temperature data there are and what organizations archive and rely on what data and what is the basis for that data I m aware that there are thousands of temperature stations all over the world are there multiple organizations that collect that data or is it collected and dessiminated by only one organization Assuming that more than one organization has this data where is it kept and is there a detailed audit trail of what the true raw readings were and how and by what algorithms they may have been adjusted for movement of the station changing environmental factors etc I apologize if this is OT or there is some simple place on this site where this is located but I have looked at length to no avail TIA Allen Allen Williams Posted Dec 22 2009 at 8 34 PM Permalink Reply Maybe what I m looking for at least for the raw data is the GHCN data Sorry for all the questions but what is the relationship between the GHCN data and the CRU GISS and NOAA indices Thanks again Allen P S What prompted this is a discussion with someone who claimed there were thousands of data sets that all showed warming over the last hundred years and I took issue with that Then later I saw the same claim in the comments section of a newspaper article on climategate I was under the impression there were only one or two datasets all the other researchers used and if they were corrupted in would have very far reaching ramifications Street Posted Dec 25 2009 at 2 56 PM Permalink Reply Steve found a nice Google Earth tool for viewing GISS station data Not sure if it s raw of adjusted probably adjusted but still handy http edgcm columbia edu mankoff StationData stephen richards Posted Jan 2 2010 at 9 19 AM Permalink Reply Steve anyone All the raw data I m finding is in text form How the hell do I convert to a form suirable for use in R The obvious very tedious way I can work out but is there another Please Steve I ve posted utilities for converting station data to R See climateaudit info scripts Which station data are you looking at PS I ve converted the Met Office dump into a more organized R format and could place this online Adrian Ocneanu Posted Jan 4 2010 at 8 34 PM Permalink Reply A google world map with clickable stations leading to raw temperature measurements would be tremendously powerful in helping people look with their own eyes rather than go for pre chewed data Richard Linsley Hood Posted Jan 29 2010 at 11 50 AM Permalink Reply Steve anyone I have downloaded the Jones et al Model data for Oxford UK from http image guardian co uk sys files Guardian documents 2009 12 08 uk csv an extract from http www metoffice gov uk climatechange science monitoring reference All zip and compared it to the Actual temperatures as recorded at http www metoffice gov uk climate uk stationdata oxforddata txt for the relevant dates 1900 1980 These two series are believed to be the same station Model Number 038900 Name OXFORD Country UK Lat 51 7 Long 1 2 Height 63 and Actual Oxford Location 4509E 2072N 63 Meters I have caclulated the tMonthlyMean values from the Actual data and compared it to the Model tMonthlyMean figures on a month by month basis These mostly show a 0 05 difference which is presumably due to some rounding errors to get to 0 1 degree published values either by me or by others Can anyone tell me why then the last fews years of the Model data 1978 1980 differs so widely from the Actual recorded temperatures The Model is out by up to 2 2 degress C and an average of 0 36 degress C of warming compared to the Actual temperatures for just these last few years Actual Model Oxford 1978 1980 Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec 1978 0 15 0 35 0 35 0 35 0 35 0 15 0 25 0 40 0 35 0 25 0 05 0 45 1979 0 15 0 25 0 35 0 35 0 30 0 15 0 25 0 40 0 90 0 25 0 20 0 05 1980 0 20 0 25 0 70 0 40 0 35 0 15 0 35 0 40 0 40 0 30 0 15 2 20 Anyone with any insights into this divergence of the Jones et al Model from Actual xyzlatin Posted Mar 6 2010 at 1 47 AM Permalink Reply I read somewhere recently unfortunately cannot remember where that the reason that the temperature figures are changed or updated is because only thermometers that have been in existence for 20 years are taken into account initially but then as they reach 20 years they are added into the measurements as are their measurements which go back 20 years Firstly is this correct Secondly if this is so how many of these thermometers in waiting are there and where are they situated In view of the long term planning to hoodwink the public in my view of course I would not put it past some people to have placed thermometers in locations which will favour the increase This is also related to the demise of many thermometers in rural locations as already documented I look forward to some comment on this ThosTHos Posted Mar 14 2010 at 4 14 AM Permalink Reply In view of the long term planning to hoodwink the public in my view of course I would not put it past some people to have placed thermometers in locations which will favour the increase It may be your view but that doesn t mean you don t need evidence My experience of climate scientists is that they couldn t give a toss whether the public believes them or not and nor should they It s good if your work turns out useful but you don t know that until you ve done it As to placing the thermometers how would you choose sites that favour the increase I ve been a meteorologist for 30 years and I would have thought it was impossible Also thermometers are located to aid weather forecasting usually up to 5 days ahead at most and mostly for aviation military or agricultural purposes The use of the data by climatologists is incidental they have no influence over the siting of most instruments even in the UK Met Office there is no overlap Jennifer Posted Mar 7 2010 at 4 42 PM Permalink Reply The USHCN files for 1 2 and 3 5 station site ratings include 5 of the Pennsylvanian stations On the survey results maps it looks as if most if not all of them were rated Is there a table of the surface station ratings 1 5 for all the surface stations rated While I found the documentation for the surveys at http surfacestations org I was unable to locate such a table John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 50 PM Permalink Reply Jennifer You may already have this and it s not actually a table but Menne has posted a map showing two groups of ratings 1 2 and 3 5 for all the surfacestation org ratings that Anthony has released ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly menne etal2010 pdf I should remark that these were only a preliminary and partial release and that Mr Watts is justifiably imho bent out of shape at Menne s precipitous use of this data Good luck in your explorations John Slayton Azusa CA Hilary Olsen Posted Apr 22 2014 at 10 39 AM Permalink Reply John Slayton My name is Hilary Olsen from Cal Poly I work at the ITRC and I have draft of the Coop Weather Station 047851 Narrative History If you get this please email me back for I have a few questions Thanks Hilary John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 51 PM Permalink Reply Meant to add the map is around p 20 or 21 JWS John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 56 PM Permalink Reply Whoops save your time Menne s version has less information than the surfacestation org site itself Oh well js John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 11 14 PM Permalink Back again Maybe these two lists will be helpful ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly ushcn surfacestations ratings 1 2 txt ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly ushcn surfacestations ratings 3 4 5 txt js Jennifer Posted Mar 23 2010 at 12 46 AM Permalink I really appreciate the effort When I first found those lists I figured that I had everything But if you compare the number of stations Watts et al surveyed look at their map with the information over at NOAA it looks incomplete to me For now I am continuing my analysis without this information It would have been so nice to run a full comparison but that can be added in when I m done with the rest John Slayton Posted Apr 15 2011 at 5 03 PM Permalink Jennifer This is a very late reply and probably therefore irrelevant but I finally found Menne s station list at http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate research ushcn menne et al 2010 Look for links to Set 1 Set 2 Set 3 and Set 4 gimply Posted Mar 14 2010 at 11 21 AM Permalink Reply While you personally may find it inconceivable the climategate emails WATTS observations and the diarizations on this blog suggest to ME that such a practice is at lesat negligent and may be both deliberate and widespread John Slayton Posted Mar 18 2010 at 12 51 AM Permalink Reply I posted these over at WUWT chiefio some readers may find it useful Previous discussions the lost stations in Honolulu and Dutch Harbour have already called attention to the limited intelligence of available data searches Trivial errors lead to blind alleys Type in MCMILLIN instead of MC MILLIN and MMS will simply report that it couldn t find a match The list of version 2 stations available at http cdiac ornl gov ftp ushcn v2 monthly ushcn stations txt contains over 250 station names that do not match the MMS data For whatever use it may have I have used the COOP numbers to look up and correct these names The resulting file is posted at http members dslextreme com users juanslayton v2 stations txt Of course I don t really know which names are correct but MMS has more information so I go with their names and here s the list of closed v2 stations Many have been closed since the 90 s One does wonder what motivates creating a new network incorporating stations that have been closed ten or fifteen years http members dslextreme com users juanslayton closedstations gallopingcamel Posted Mar 21 2010 at 3 42 PM Permalink Reply Steve It seems to be well established that the number of stations reported at GHCN is dropping Peterson Vose 1997 1998 recently updated by D Aleo Watts I used to earn a living collecting energetic photons up to 170 MeV It would never have occurred to me to discard 80 of the data before starting the analysis Is there any reasonable explanation for doing so in Climate Science E M Smith Posted Apr 12 2010 at 4 25 PM Permalink Reply It looks to me like there is an unclosed bold at GSN GHCND Version as everything after that heading stays bolded xyzlatin Not all data sets are created equal The GHCN keeps the short records That is then fed into GIStemp that tosses out anything sorter than 20 years in the STEP2 processing just prior to the PApars f program So depending on where you stick your ladle in the river you get different results IMHO the more upriver from the effluent producers the better Allan Williams Even the GHCN UN Adjusted data are rather adjusted I ve yet to find actual raw sources The QA process can fabricate data based on averages of nearby stations and can change the values of items http chiefio wordpress com 2010 04 11 qa or tossing data you decide Don t know the size of the impact though gallopingcamel Yes the GHCN set has dropped from over 6000 at peak activity to about 1200 now Though in the last couple of years they have started adding stations back in not clear if they are adding warming stations but it looks like it ThosTHos how to pick warming vs cooling sites Easy Very easy First off you could just pick places with planned economic growth Like oh Airports I m sure it s just an accident that 92 of active

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    data gsn gsndy zip Very large over 80 MB zipped over 500 MB unzipped I ve extracted info from the gsndy zip file and it is generally not up to date This appears to be the historical collection To red in R from zip file use data handle unz url project gsn data gsndy dat rb Raw Data Directory ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data gsn rawdata By country Reformated Directory ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data gsn reformated In files like reformated 07130 dly Z GSN GHCND Version I haven t determined yet what differences exist between Ron Ray and GHCN Versions Station Data Directory http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily gsn File nomenclature 22200029612 dly ccciiiwwwww country code id 5 digit wmo number For US stations they use the wmo number and not the GSN number A partial concordance of GSN and WMO numbers is at http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily ghcnd stations txt Readme ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily readme txt Other http www ncdc noaa gov oa usgcos renovationprojects htm http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data gcos GSN sum long term txt Alaska Karl readme http cdiac ornl gov ftp db1004 db1004 txt US CRN This is a recently sites are vintage 2002 2003 set up high quality network Station list http www ncdc noaa gov crn newstations sort by loc state Monthly data No organized information but a little information can be scraped from http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain abbrev2id datasetabbv GSNMON RAWS 2200 stations Station List http www fs fed us raws http www raws dri edu wraws MISC Station List http www rap ucar edu weather surface stations txt HOLLAND KNMI About 8 Dutch stations here with both metadata and data Metadata http www knmi nl klimatologie metadata Monthly Data Can be scraped from http climexp knmi nl getdutchstations cgi someone somewhere tg yielding webpages http climexp knmi nl data tgtg310 dat Daily data http climexp knmi nl selectdailyseries cgi someone somewhere http www knmi nl klimatologie daggegevens uitleg html EUROPE European Climate Assessment Dataset http eca knmi nl dailydata datadictionaryall php http ingrid ldeo columbia edu SOURCES NOAA NCDC GCPS MONTHLY STATION Name help dataselection Russia Data ftp ftp meteo ru okldata Switzerland Webpage for homogenized series http www meteoswiss ch web en climate climate since 1864 homogeneous data html Germany http www dwd de en FundE Klima KLIS daten online nat index standardformat htm 19 Stations http www dwd de de FundE Klima KLIS daten online wwr stationstabelle htm http www ntsg umt edu cgi bin show good ncdc stations pl http www ocs oregonstate edu page links climate data zones station climate climate stations html station images http www ocs orst edu pub ftp climate data mme Station names STATE California http wwwcimis water ca gov cimis data jsp http wwwcimis water ca gov cimis frontStationListData do NCDC Station Locator http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate stationlocator html Climate Data Modernization Program http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate cdmp cdmp html Image Access Program http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate cdmp wssrd html Webpages NNDC http cdo ncdc noaa gov CDO cdo Station Lists http www wrcc dri edu inventory http cdo ncdc noaa gov CDO inventory txt http cdo ncdc noaa gov cdo 3500stn txt ASOS http www nws noaa gov asos http www aoml noaa gov hrd asos Airport stations With photos http mi3 ncdc noaa gov mi3report MISC ASOS STATIONS TXT http www aoml noaa gov hrd asos completed txt Dec 2003 Coop Coop Network http www nws noaa gov om coop standard htm Active Stations List 1998 from NCDC Catalog http www wrcc dri edu inventory inventact html Also see http www wrcc dri edu inventory sodct html ct Connecticut Station History archived 1994 http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stnhistory old stnhis coop us Archived 1996 http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stnhistory stationh txt Photos http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stations photos CLIMAT Bulletins http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain DS3500 CLIMAT 3500 stations http cdo ncdc noaa gov cdo gsnmondoc txt http www ncdc noaa gov oa land html http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain abbrev2id datasetabbv GSNMON countryabbv georegionabbv forceoutside http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub orders CDO463711058580 html Histories http mrcc sws uiuc edu FORTS histories New Zealand NZ climate database description Description of free subscription http cliflo niwa co nz http cliflo niwa co nz pls niwp wgenf genform1 Like this Like Loading 27 Comments Allen Williams Posted Dec 22 2009 at 8 26 PM Permalink Reply Is there anywhere I can find the true raw temperature data what proxies and or actual stations are used for what years and a taxonomy of the various datasets What I m trying to do is find out how many different historical sets of temperature data there are and what organizations archive and rely on what data and what is the basis for that data I m aware that there are thousands of temperature stations all over the world are there multiple organizations that collect that data or is it collected and dessiminated by only one organization Assuming that more than one organization has this data where is it kept and is there a detailed audit trail of what the true raw readings were and how and by what algorithms they may have been adjusted for movement of the station changing environmental factors etc I apologize if this is OT or there is some simple place on this site where this is located but I have looked at length to no avail TIA Allen Allen Williams Posted Dec 22 2009 at 8 34 PM Permalink Reply Maybe what I m looking for at least for the raw data is the GHCN data Sorry for all the questions but what is the relationship between the GHCN data and the CRU GISS and NOAA indices Thanks again Allen P S What prompted this is a discussion with someone who claimed there were thousands of data sets that all showed warming over the last hundred years and I took issue with that Then later I saw the same claim in the comments section of a newspaper article on climategate I was under the impression there were only one or two datasets all the other researchers used and if they were corrupted in would have very far reaching ramifications Street Posted Dec 25 2009 at 2 56 PM Permalink Reply Steve found a nice Google Earth tool for viewing GISS station data Not sure if it s raw of adjusted probably adjusted but still handy http edgcm columbia edu mankoff StationData stephen richards Posted Jan 2 2010 at 9 19 AM Permalink Reply Steve anyone All the raw data I m finding is in text form How the hell do I convert to a form suirable for use in R The obvious very tedious way I can work out but is there another Please Steve I ve posted utilities for converting station data to R See climateaudit info scripts Which station data are you looking at PS I ve converted the Met Office dump into a more organized R format and could place this online Adrian Ocneanu Posted Jan 4 2010 at 8 34 PM Permalink Reply A google world map with clickable stations leading to raw temperature measurements would be tremendously powerful in helping people look with their own eyes rather than go for pre chewed data Richard Linsley Hood Posted Jan 29 2010 at 11 50 AM Permalink Reply Steve anyone I have downloaded the Jones et al Model data for Oxford UK from http image guardian co uk sys files Guardian documents 2009 12 08 uk csv an extract from http www metoffice gov uk climatechange science monitoring reference All zip and compared it to the Actual temperatures as recorded at http www metoffice gov uk climate uk stationdata oxforddata txt for the relevant dates 1900 1980 These two series are believed to be the same station Model Number 038900 Name OXFORD Country UK Lat 51 7 Long 1 2 Height 63 and Actual Oxford Location 4509E 2072N 63 Meters I have caclulated the tMonthlyMean values from the Actual data and compared it to the Model tMonthlyMean figures on a month by month basis These mostly show a 0 05 difference which is presumably due to some rounding errors to get to 0 1 degree published values either by me or by others Can anyone tell me why then the last fews years of the Model data 1978 1980 differs so widely from the Actual recorded temperatures The Model is out by up to 2 2 degress C and an average of 0 36 degress C of warming compared to the Actual temperatures for just these last few years Actual Model Oxford 1978 1980 Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec 1978 0 15 0 35 0 35 0 35 0 35 0 15 0 25 0 40 0 35 0 25 0 05 0 45 1979 0 15 0 25 0 35 0 35 0 30 0 15 0 25 0 40 0 90 0 25 0 20 0 05 1980 0 20 0 25 0 70 0 40 0 35 0 15 0 35 0 40 0 40 0 30 0 15 2 20 Anyone with any insights into this divergence of the Jones et al Model from Actual xyzlatin Posted Mar 6 2010 at 1 47 AM Permalink Reply I read somewhere recently unfortunately cannot remember where that the reason that the temperature figures are changed or updated is because only thermometers that have been in existence for 20 years are taken into account initially but then as they reach 20 years they are added into the measurements as are their measurements which go back 20 years Firstly is this correct Secondly if this is so how many of these thermometers in waiting are there and where are they situated In view of the long term planning to hoodwink the public in my view of course I would not put it past some people to have placed thermometers in locations which will favour the increase This is also related to the demise of many thermometers in rural locations as already documented I look forward to some comment on this ThosTHos Posted Mar 14 2010 at 4 14 AM Permalink Reply In view of the long term planning to hoodwink the public in my view of course I would not put it past some people to have placed thermometers in locations which will favour the increase It may be your view but that doesn t mean you don t need evidence My experience of climate scientists is that they couldn t give a toss whether the public believes them or not and nor should they It s good if your work turns out useful but you don t know that until you ve done it As to placing the thermometers how would you choose sites that favour the increase I ve been a meteorologist for 30 years and I would have thought it was impossible Also thermometers are located to aid weather forecasting usually up to 5 days ahead at most and mostly for aviation military or agricultural purposes The use of the data by climatologists is incidental they have no influence over the siting of most instruments even in the UK Met Office there is no overlap Jennifer Posted Mar 7 2010 at 4 42 PM Permalink Reply The USHCN files for 1 2 and 3 5 station site ratings include 5 of the Pennsylvanian stations On the survey results maps it looks as if most if not all of them were rated Is there a table of the surface station ratings 1 5 for all the surface stations rated While I found the documentation for the surveys at http surfacestations org I was unable to locate such a table John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 50 PM Permalink Reply Jennifer You may already have this and it s not actually a table but Menne has posted a map showing two groups of ratings 1 2 and 3 5 for all the surfacestation org ratings that Anthony has released ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly menne etal2010 pdf I should remark that these were only a preliminary and partial release and that Mr Watts is justifiably imho bent out of shape at Menne s precipitous use of this data Good luck in your explorations John Slayton Azusa CA Hilary Olsen Posted Apr 22 2014 at 10 39 AM Permalink Reply John Slayton My name is Hilary Olsen from Cal Poly I work at the ITRC and I have draft of the Coop Weather Station 047851 Narrative History If you get this please email me back for I have a few questions Thanks Hilary John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 51 PM Permalink Reply Meant to add the map is around p 20 or 21 JWS John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 56 PM Permalink Reply Whoops save your time Menne s version has less information than the surfacestation org site itself Oh well js John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 11 14 PM Permalink Back again Maybe these two lists will be helpful ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly ushcn surfacestations ratings 1 2 txt ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly ushcn surfacestations ratings 3 4 5 txt js Jennifer Posted Mar 23 2010 at 12 46 AM Permalink I really appreciate the effort When I first found those lists I figured that I had everything But if you compare the number of stations Watts et al surveyed look at their map with the information over at NOAA it looks incomplete to me For now I am continuing my analysis without this information It would have been so nice to run a full comparison but that can be added in when I m done with the rest John Slayton Posted Apr 15 2011 at 5 03 PM Permalink Jennifer This is a very late reply and probably therefore irrelevant but I finally found Menne s station list at http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate research ushcn menne et al 2010 Look for links to Set 1 Set 2 Set 3 and Set 4 gimply Posted Mar 14 2010 at 11 21 AM Permalink Reply While you personally may find it inconceivable the climategate emails WATTS observations and the diarizations on this blog suggest to ME that such a practice is at lesat negligent and may be both deliberate and widespread John Slayton Posted Mar 18 2010 at 12 51 AM Permalink Reply I posted these over at WUWT chiefio some readers may find it useful Previous discussions the lost stations in Honolulu and Dutch Harbour have already called attention to the limited intelligence of available data searches Trivial errors lead to blind alleys Type in MCMILLIN instead of MC MILLIN and MMS will simply report that it couldn t find a match The list of version 2 stations available at http cdiac ornl gov ftp ushcn v2 monthly ushcn stations txt contains over 250 station names that do not match the MMS data For whatever use it may have I have used the COOP numbers to look up and correct these names The resulting file is posted at http members dslextreme com users juanslayton v2 stations txt Of course I don t really know which names are correct but MMS has more information so I go with their names and here s the list of closed v2 stations Many have been closed since the 90 s One does wonder what motivates creating a new network incorporating stations that have been closed ten or fifteen years http members dslextreme com users juanslayton closedstations gallopingcamel Posted Mar 21 2010 at 3 42 PM Permalink Reply Steve It seems to be well established that the number of stations reported at GHCN is dropping Peterson Vose 1997 1998 recently updated by D Aleo Watts I used to earn a living collecting energetic photons up to 170 MeV It would never have occurred to me to discard 80 of the data before starting the analysis Is there any reasonable explanation for doing so in Climate Science E M Smith Posted Apr 12 2010 at 4 25 PM Permalink Reply It looks to me like there is an unclosed bold at GSN GHCND Version as everything after that heading stays bolded xyzlatin Not all data sets are created equal The GHCN keeps the short records That is then fed into GIStemp that tosses out anything sorter than 20 years in the STEP2 processing just prior to the PApars f program So depending on where you stick your ladle in the river you get different results IMHO the more upriver from the effluent producers the better Allan Williams Even the GHCN UN Adjusted data are rather adjusted I ve yet to find actual raw sources The QA process can fabricate data based on averages of nearby stations and can change the values of items http chiefio wordpress com 2010 04 11 qa or tossing data you decide Don t know the size of the impact though gallopingcamel Yes the GHCN set has dropped from over 6000 at peak activity to about 1200 now Though in the last couple of years they have started adding stations back in not clear if they are adding warming stations but it looks like it ThosTHos how to pick warming vs cooling sites Easy Very easy First off you could just pick places with planned economic growth Like oh Airports I m sure it s just an accident that

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    data gsn gsndy zip Very large over 80 MB zipped over 500 MB unzipped I ve extracted info from the gsndy zip file and it is generally not up to date This appears to be the historical collection To red in R from zip file use data handle unz url project gsn data gsndy dat rb Raw Data Directory ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data gsn rawdata By country Reformated Directory ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data gsn reformated In files like reformated 07130 dly Z GSN GHCND Version I haven t determined yet what differences exist between Ron Ray and GHCN Versions Station Data Directory http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily gsn File nomenclature 22200029612 dly ccciiiwwwww country code id 5 digit wmo number For US stations they use the wmo number and not the GSN number A partial concordance of GSN and WMO numbers is at http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily ghcnd stations txt Readme ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily readme txt Other http www ncdc noaa gov oa usgcos renovationprojects htm http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data gcos GSN sum long term txt Alaska Karl readme http cdiac ornl gov ftp db1004 db1004 txt US CRN This is a recently sites are vintage 2002 2003 set up high quality network Station list http www ncdc noaa gov crn newstations sort by loc state Monthly data No organized information but a little information can be scraped from http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain abbrev2id datasetabbv GSNMON RAWS 2200 stations Station List http www fs fed us raws http www raws dri edu wraws MISC Station List http www rap ucar edu weather surface stations txt HOLLAND KNMI About 8 Dutch stations here with both metadata and data Metadata http www knmi nl klimatologie metadata Monthly Data Can be scraped from http climexp knmi nl getdutchstations cgi someone somewhere tg yielding webpages http climexp knmi nl data tgtg310 dat Daily data http climexp knmi nl selectdailyseries cgi someone somewhere http www knmi nl klimatologie daggegevens uitleg html EUROPE European Climate Assessment Dataset http eca knmi nl dailydata datadictionaryall php http ingrid ldeo columbia edu SOURCES NOAA NCDC GCPS MONTHLY STATION Name help dataselection Russia Data ftp ftp meteo ru okldata Switzerland Webpage for homogenized series http www meteoswiss ch web en climate climate since 1864 homogeneous data html Germany http www dwd de en FundE Klima KLIS daten online nat index standardformat htm 19 Stations http www dwd de de FundE Klima KLIS daten online wwr stationstabelle htm http www ntsg umt edu cgi bin show good ncdc stations pl http www ocs oregonstate edu page links climate data zones station climate climate stations html station images http www ocs orst edu pub ftp climate data mme Station names STATE California http wwwcimis water ca gov cimis data jsp http wwwcimis water ca gov cimis frontStationListData do NCDC Station Locator http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate stationlocator html Climate Data Modernization Program http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate cdmp cdmp html Image Access Program http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate cdmp wssrd html Webpages NNDC http cdo ncdc noaa gov CDO cdo Station Lists http www wrcc dri edu inventory http cdo ncdc noaa gov CDO inventory txt http cdo ncdc noaa gov cdo 3500stn txt ASOS http www nws noaa gov asos http www aoml noaa gov hrd asos Airport stations With photos http mi3 ncdc noaa gov mi3report MISC ASOS STATIONS TXT http www aoml noaa gov hrd asos completed txt Dec 2003 Coop Coop Network http www nws noaa gov om coop standard htm Active Stations List 1998 from NCDC Catalog http www wrcc dri edu inventory inventact html Also see http www wrcc dri edu inventory sodct html ct Connecticut Station History archived 1994 http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stnhistory old stnhis coop us Archived 1996 http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stnhistory stationh txt Photos http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stations photos CLIMAT Bulletins http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain DS3500 CLIMAT 3500 stations http cdo ncdc noaa gov cdo gsnmondoc txt http www ncdc noaa gov oa land html http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain abbrev2id datasetabbv GSNMON countryabbv georegionabbv forceoutside http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub orders CDO463711058580 html Histories http mrcc sws uiuc edu FORTS histories New Zealand NZ climate database description Description of free subscription http cliflo niwa co nz http cliflo niwa co nz pls niwp wgenf genform1 Like this Like Loading 27 Comments Allen Williams Posted Dec 22 2009 at 8 26 PM Permalink Reply Is there anywhere I can find the true raw temperature data what proxies and or actual stations are used for what years and a taxonomy of the various datasets What I m trying to do is find out how many different historical sets of temperature data there are and what organizations archive and rely on what data and what is the basis for that data I m aware that there are thousands of temperature stations all over the world are there multiple organizations that collect that data or is it collected and dessiminated by only one organization Assuming that more than one organization has this data where is it kept and is there a detailed audit trail of what the true raw readings were and how and by what algorithms they may have been adjusted for movement of the station changing environmental factors etc I apologize if this is OT or there is some simple place on this site where this is located but I have looked at length to no avail TIA Allen Allen Williams Posted Dec 22 2009 at 8 34 PM Permalink Reply Maybe what I m looking for at least for the raw data is the GHCN data Sorry for all the questions but what is the relationship between the GHCN data and the CRU GISS and NOAA indices Thanks again Allen P S What prompted this is a discussion with someone who claimed there were thousands of data sets that all showed warming over the last hundred years and I took issue with that Then later I saw the same claim in the comments section of a newspaper article on climategate I was under the impression there were only one or two datasets all the other researchers used and if they were corrupted in would have very far reaching ramifications Street Posted Dec 25 2009 at 2 56 PM Permalink Reply Steve found a nice Google Earth tool for viewing GISS station data Not sure if it s raw of adjusted probably adjusted but still handy http edgcm columbia edu mankoff StationData stephen richards Posted Jan 2 2010 at 9 19 AM Permalink Reply Steve anyone All the raw data I m finding is in text form How the hell do I convert to a form suirable for use in R The obvious very tedious way I can work out but is there another Please Steve I ve posted utilities for converting station data to R See climateaudit info scripts Which station data are you looking at PS I ve converted the Met Office dump into a more organized R format and could place this online Adrian Ocneanu Posted Jan 4 2010 at 8 34 PM Permalink Reply A google world map with clickable stations leading to raw temperature measurements would be tremendously powerful in helping people look with their own eyes rather than go for pre chewed data Richard Linsley Hood Posted Jan 29 2010 at 11 50 AM Permalink Reply Steve anyone I have downloaded the Jones et al Model data for Oxford UK from http image guardian co uk sys files Guardian documents 2009 12 08 uk csv an extract from http www metoffice gov uk climatechange science monitoring reference All zip and compared it to the Actual temperatures as recorded at http www metoffice gov uk climate uk stationdata oxforddata txt for the relevant dates 1900 1980 These two series are believed to be the same station Model Number 038900 Name OXFORD Country UK Lat 51 7 Long 1 2 Height 63 and Actual Oxford Location 4509E 2072N 63 Meters I have caclulated the tMonthlyMean values from the Actual data and compared it to the Model tMonthlyMean figures on a month by month basis These mostly show a 0 05 difference which is presumably due to some rounding errors to get to 0 1 degree published values either by me or by others Can anyone tell me why then the last fews years of the Model data 1978 1980 differs so widely from the Actual recorded temperatures The Model is out by up to 2 2 degress C and an average of 0 36 degress C of warming compared to the Actual temperatures for just these last few years Actual Model Oxford 1978 1980 Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec 1978 0 15 0 35 0 35 0 35 0 35 0 15 0 25 0 40 0 35 0 25 0 05 0 45 1979 0 15 0 25 0 35 0 35 0 30 0 15 0 25 0 40 0 90 0 25 0 20 0 05 1980 0 20 0 25 0 70 0 40 0 35 0 15 0 35 0 40 0 40 0 30 0 15 2 20 Anyone with any insights into this divergence of the Jones et al Model from Actual xyzlatin Posted Mar 6 2010 at 1 47 AM Permalink Reply I read somewhere recently unfortunately cannot remember where that the reason that the temperature figures are changed or updated is because only thermometers that have been in existence for 20 years are taken into account initially but then as they reach 20 years they are added into the measurements as are their measurements which go back 20 years Firstly is this correct Secondly if this is so how many of these thermometers in waiting are there and where are they situated In view of the long term planning to hoodwink the public in my view of course I would not put it past some people to have placed thermometers in locations which will favour the increase This is also related to the demise of many thermometers in rural locations as already documented I look forward to some comment on this ThosTHos Posted Mar 14 2010 at 4 14 AM Permalink Reply In view of the long term planning to hoodwink the public in my view of course I would not put it past some people to have placed thermometers in locations which will favour the increase It may be your view but that doesn t mean you don t need evidence My experience of climate scientists is that they couldn t give a toss whether the public believes them or not and nor should they It s good if your work turns out useful but you don t know that until you ve done it As to placing the thermometers how would you choose sites that favour the increase I ve been a meteorologist for 30 years and I would have thought it was impossible Also thermometers are located to aid weather forecasting usually up to 5 days ahead at most and mostly for aviation military or agricultural purposes The use of the data by climatologists is incidental they have no influence over the siting of most instruments even in the UK Met Office there is no overlap Jennifer Posted Mar 7 2010 at 4 42 PM Permalink Reply The USHCN files for 1 2 and 3 5 station site ratings include 5 of the Pennsylvanian stations On the survey results maps it looks as if most if not all of them were rated Is there a table of the surface station ratings 1 5 for all the surface stations rated While I found the documentation for the surveys at http surfacestations org I was unable to locate such a table John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 50 PM Permalink Reply Jennifer You may already have this and it s not actually a table but Menne has posted a map showing two groups of ratings 1 2 and 3 5 for all the surfacestation org ratings that Anthony has released ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly menne etal2010 pdf I should remark that these were only a preliminary and partial release and that Mr Watts is justifiably imho bent out of shape at Menne s precipitous use of this data Good luck in your explorations John Slayton Azusa CA Hilary Olsen Posted Apr 22 2014 at 10 39 AM Permalink Reply John Slayton My name is Hilary Olsen from Cal Poly I work at the ITRC and I have draft of the Coop Weather Station 047851 Narrative History If you get this please email me back for I have a few questions Thanks Hilary John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 51 PM Permalink Reply Meant to add the map is around p 20 or 21 JWS John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 56 PM Permalink Reply Whoops save your time Menne s version has less information than the surfacestation org site itself Oh well js John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 11 14 PM Permalink Back again Maybe these two lists will be helpful ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly ushcn surfacestations ratings 1 2 txt ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly ushcn surfacestations ratings 3 4 5 txt js Jennifer Posted Mar 23 2010 at 12 46 AM Permalink I really appreciate the effort When I first found those lists I figured that I had everything But if you compare the number of stations Watts et al surveyed look at their map with the information over at NOAA it looks incomplete to me For now I am continuing my analysis without this information It would have been so nice to run a full comparison but that can be added in when I m done with the rest John Slayton Posted Apr 15 2011 at 5 03 PM Permalink Jennifer This is a very late reply and probably therefore irrelevant but I finally found Menne s station list at http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate research ushcn menne et al 2010 Look for links to Set 1 Set 2 Set 3 and Set 4 gimply Posted Mar 14 2010 at 11 21 AM Permalink Reply While you personally may find it inconceivable the climategate emails WATTS observations and the diarizations on this blog suggest to ME that such a practice is at lesat negligent and may be both deliberate and widespread John Slayton Posted Mar 18 2010 at 12 51 AM Permalink Reply I posted these over at WUWT chiefio some readers may find it useful Previous discussions the lost stations in Honolulu and Dutch Harbour have already called attention to the limited intelligence of available data searches Trivial errors lead to blind alleys Type in MCMILLIN instead of MC MILLIN and MMS will simply report that it couldn t find a match The list of version 2 stations available at http cdiac ornl gov ftp ushcn v2 monthly ushcn stations txt contains over 250 station names that do not match the MMS data For whatever use it may have I have used the COOP numbers to look up and correct these names The resulting file is posted at http members dslextreme com users juanslayton v2 stations txt Of course I don t really know which names are correct but MMS has more information so I go with their names and here s the list of closed v2 stations Many have been closed since the 90 s One does wonder what motivates creating a new network incorporating stations that have been closed ten or fifteen years http members dslextreme com users juanslayton closedstations gallopingcamel Posted Mar 21 2010 at 3 42 PM Permalink Reply Steve It seems to be well established that the number of stations reported at GHCN is dropping Peterson Vose 1997 1998 recently updated by D Aleo Watts I used to earn a living collecting energetic photons up to 170 MeV It would never have occurred to me to discard 80 of the data before starting the analysis Is there any reasonable explanation for doing so in Climate Science E M Smith Posted Apr 12 2010 at 4 25 PM Permalink Reply It looks to me like there is an unclosed bold at GSN GHCND Version as everything after that heading stays bolded xyzlatin Not all data sets are created equal The GHCN keeps the short records That is then fed into GIStemp that tosses out anything sorter than 20 years in the STEP2 processing just prior to the PApars f program So depending on where you stick your ladle in the river you get different results IMHO the more upriver from the effluent producers the better Allan Williams Even the GHCN UN Adjusted data are rather adjusted I ve yet to find actual raw sources The QA process can fabricate data based on averages of nearby stations and can change the values of items http chiefio wordpress com 2010 04 11 qa or tossing data you decide Don t know the size of the impact though gallopingcamel Yes the GHCN set has dropped from over 6000 at peak activity to about 1200 now Though in the last couple of years they have started adding stations back in not clear if they are adding warming stations but it looks like it ThosTHos how to pick warming vs cooling sites Easy Very easy First off you could just pick places with planned economic growth Like oh Airports I m sure it s just an accident that

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  • Station Data « Climate Audit
    data gsn gsndy zip Very large over 80 MB zipped over 500 MB unzipped I ve extracted info from the gsndy zip file and it is generally not up to date This appears to be the historical collection To red in R from zip file use data handle unz url project gsn data gsndy dat rb Raw Data Directory ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data gsn rawdata By country Reformated Directory ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data gsn reformated In files like reformated 07130 dly Z GSN GHCND Version I haven t determined yet what differences exist between Ron Ray and GHCN Versions Station Data Directory http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily gsn File nomenclature 22200029612 dly ccciiiwwwww country code id 5 digit wmo number For US stations they use the wmo number and not the GSN number A partial concordance of GSN and WMO numbers is at http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily ghcnd stations txt Readme ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ghcn daily readme txt Other http www ncdc noaa gov oa usgcos renovationprojects htm http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data gcos GSN sum long term txt Alaska Karl readme http cdiac ornl gov ftp db1004 db1004 txt US CRN This is a recently sites are vintage 2002 2003 set up high quality network Station list http www ncdc noaa gov crn newstations sort by loc state Monthly data No organized information but a little information can be scraped from http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain abbrev2id datasetabbv GSNMON RAWS 2200 stations Station List http www fs fed us raws http www raws dri edu wraws MISC Station List http www rap ucar edu weather surface stations txt HOLLAND KNMI About 8 Dutch stations here with both metadata and data Metadata http www knmi nl klimatologie metadata Monthly Data Can be scraped from http climexp knmi nl getdutchstations cgi someone somewhere tg yielding webpages http climexp knmi nl data tgtg310 dat Daily data http climexp knmi nl selectdailyseries cgi someone somewhere http www knmi nl klimatologie daggegevens uitleg html EUROPE European Climate Assessment Dataset http eca knmi nl dailydata datadictionaryall php http ingrid ldeo columbia edu SOURCES NOAA NCDC GCPS MONTHLY STATION Name help dataselection Russia Data ftp ftp meteo ru okldata Switzerland Webpage for homogenized series http www meteoswiss ch web en climate climate since 1864 homogeneous data html Germany http www dwd de en FundE Klima KLIS daten online nat index standardformat htm 19 Stations http www dwd de de FundE Klima KLIS daten online wwr stationstabelle htm http www ntsg umt edu cgi bin show good ncdc stations pl http www ocs oregonstate edu page links climate data zones station climate climate stations html station images http www ocs orst edu pub ftp climate data mme Station names STATE California http wwwcimis water ca gov cimis data jsp http wwwcimis water ca gov cimis frontStationListData do NCDC Station Locator http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate stationlocator html Climate Data Modernization Program http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate cdmp cdmp html Image Access Program http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate cdmp wssrd html Webpages NNDC http cdo ncdc noaa gov CDO cdo Station Lists http www wrcc dri edu inventory http cdo ncdc noaa gov CDO inventory txt http cdo ncdc noaa gov cdo 3500stn txt ASOS http www nws noaa gov asos http www aoml noaa gov hrd asos Airport stations With photos http mi3 ncdc noaa gov mi3report MISC ASOS STATIONS TXT http www aoml noaa gov hrd asos completed txt Dec 2003 Coop Coop Network http www nws noaa gov om coop standard htm Active Stations List 1998 from NCDC Catalog http www wrcc dri edu inventory inventact html Also see http www wrcc dri edu inventory sodct html ct Connecticut Station History archived 1994 http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stnhistory old stnhis coop us Archived 1996 http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stnhistory stationh txt Photos http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub data stations photos CLIMAT Bulletins http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain DS3500 CLIMAT 3500 stations http cdo ncdc noaa gov cdo gsnmondoc txt http www ncdc noaa gov oa land html http cdo ncdc noaa gov pls plclimprod cdomain abbrev2id datasetabbv GSNMON countryabbv georegionabbv forceoutside http www1 ncdc noaa gov pub orders CDO463711058580 html Histories http mrcc sws uiuc edu FORTS histories New Zealand NZ climate database description Description of free subscription http cliflo niwa co nz http cliflo niwa co nz pls niwp wgenf genform1 Like this Like Loading 27 Comments Allen Williams Posted Dec 22 2009 at 8 26 PM Permalink Reply Is there anywhere I can find the true raw temperature data what proxies and or actual stations are used for what years and a taxonomy of the various datasets What I m trying to do is find out how many different historical sets of temperature data there are and what organizations archive and rely on what data and what is the basis for that data I m aware that there are thousands of temperature stations all over the world are there multiple organizations that collect that data or is it collected and dessiminated by only one organization Assuming that more than one organization has this data where is it kept and is there a detailed audit trail of what the true raw readings were and how and by what algorithms they may have been adjusted for movement of the station changing environmental factors etc I apologize if this is OT or there is some simple place on this site where this is located but I have looked at length to no avail TIA Allen Allen Williams Posted Dec 22 2009 at 8 34 PM Permalink Reply Maybe what I m looking for at least for the raw data is the GHCN data Sorry for all the questions but what is the relationship between the GHCN data and the CRU GISS and NOAA indices Thanks again Allen P S What prompted this is a discussion with someone who claimed there were thousands of data sets that all showed warming over the last hundred years and I took issue with that Then later I saw the same claim in the comments section of a newspaper article on climategate I was under the impression there were only one or two datasets all the other researchers used and if they were corrupted in would have very far reaching ramifications Street Posted Dec 25 2009 at 2 56 PM Permalink Reply Steve found a nice Google Earth tool for viewing GISS station data Not sure if it s raw of adjusted probably adjusted but still handy http edgcm columbia edu mankoff StationData stephen richards Posted Jan 2 2010 at 9 19 AM Permalink Reply Steve anyone All the raw data I m finding is in text form How the hell do I convert to a form suirable for use in R The obvious very tedious way I can work out but is there another Please Steve I ve posted utilities for converting station data to R See climateaudit info scripts Which station data are you looking at PS I ve converted the Met Office dump into a more organized R format and could place this online Adrian Ocneanu Posted Jan 4 2010 at 8 34 PM Permalink Reply A google world map with clickable stations leading to raw temperature measurements would be tremendously powerful in helping people look with their own eyes rather than go for pre chewed data Richard Linsley Hood Posted Jan 29 2010 at 11 50 AM Permalink Reply Steve anyone I have downloaded the Jones et al Model data for Oxford UK from http image guardian co uk sys files Guardian documents 2009 12 08 uk csv an extract from http www metoffice gov uk climatechange science monitoring reference All zip and compared it to the Actual temperatures as recorded at http www metoffice gov uk climate uk stationdata oxforddata txt for the relevant dates 1900 1980 These two series are believed to be the same station Model Number 038900 Name OXFORD Country UK Lat 51 7 Long 1 2 Height 63 and Actual Oxford Location 4509E 2072N 63 Meters I have caclulated the tMonthlyMean values from the Actual data and compared it to the Model tMonthlyMean figures on a month by month basis These mostly show a 0 05 difference which is presumably due to some rounding errors to get to 0 1 degree published values either by me or by others Can anyone tell me why then the last fews years of the Model data 1978 1980 differs so widely from the Actual recorded temperatures The Model is out by up to 2 2 degress C and an average of 0 36 degress C of warming compared to the Actual temperatures for just these last few years Actual Model Oxford 1978 1980 Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec 1978 0 15 0 35 0 35 0 35 0 35 0 15 0 25 0 40 0 35 0 25 0 05 0 45 1979 0 15 0 25 0 35 0 35 0 30 0 15 0 25 0 40 0 90 0 25 0 20 0 05 1980 0 20 0 25 0 70 0 40 0 35 0 15 0 35 0 40 0 40 0 30 0 15 2 20 Anyone with any insights into this divergence of the Jones et al Model from Actual xyzlatin Posted Mar 6 2010 at 1 47 AM Permalink Reply I read somewhere recently unfortunately cannot remember where that the reason that the temperature figures are changed or updated is because only thermometers that have been in existence for 20 years are taken into account initially but then as they reach 20 years they are added into the measurements as are their measurements which go back 20 years Firstly is this correct Secondly if this is so how many of these thermometers in waiting are there and where are they situated In view of the long term planning to hoodwink the public in my view of course I would not put it past some people to have placed thermometers in locations which will favour the increase This is also related to the demise of many thermometers in rural locations as already documented I look forward to some comment on this ThosTHos Posted Mar 14 2010 at 4 14 AM Permalink Reply In view of the long term planning to hoodwink the public in my view of course I would not put it past some people to have placed thermometers in locations which will favour the increase It may be your view but that doesn t mean you don t need evidence My experience of climate scientists is that they couldn t give a toss whether the public believes them or not and nor should they It s good if your work turns out useful but you don t know that until you ve done it As to placing the thermometers how would you choose sites that favour the increase I ve been a meteorologist for 30 years and I would have thought it was impossible Also thermometers are located to aid weather forecasting usually up to 5 days ahead at most and mostly for aviation military or agricultural purposes The use of the data by climatologists is incidental they have no influence over the siting of most instruments even in the UK Met Office there is no overlap Jennifer Posted Mar 7 2010 at 4 42 PM Permalink Reply The USHCN files for 1 2 and 3 5 station site ratings include 5 of the Pennsylvanian stations On the survey results maps it looks as if most if not all of them were rated Is there a table of the surface station ratings 1 5 for all the surface stations rated While I found the documentation for the surveys at http surfacestations org I was unable to locate such a table John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 50 PM Permalink Reply Jennifer You may already have this and it s not actually a table but Menne has posted a map showing two groups of ratings 1 2 and 3 5 for all the surfacestation org ratings that Anthony has released ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly menne etal2010 pdf I should remark that these were only a preliminary and partial release and that Mr Watts is justifiably imho bent out of shape at Menne s precipitous use of this data Good luck in your explorations John Slayton Azusa CA Hilary Olsen Posted Apr 22 2014 at 10 39 AM Permalink Reply John Slayton My name is Hilary Olsen from Cal Poly I work at the ITRC and I have draft of the Coop Weather Station 047851 Narrative History If you get this please email me back for I have a few questions Thanks Hilary John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 51 PM Permalink Reply Meant to add the map is around p 20 or 21 JWS John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 10 56 PM Permalink Reply Whoops save your time Menne s version has less information than the surfacestation org site itself Oh well js John Slayton Posted Mar 19 2010 at 11 14 PM Permalink Back again Maybe these two lists will be helpful ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly ushcn surfacestations ratings 1 2 txt ftp ftp ncdc noaa gov pub data ushcn v2 monthly ushcn surfacestations ratings 3 4 5 txt js Jennifer Posted Mar 23 2010 at 12 46 AM Permalink I really appreciate the effort When I first found those lists I figured that I had everything But if you compare the number of stations Watts et al surveyed look at their map with the information over at NOAA it looks incomplete to me For now I am continuing my analysis without this information It would have been so nice to run a full comparison but that can be added in when I m done with the rest John Slayton Posted Apr 15 2011 at 5 03 PM Permalink Jennifer This is a very late reply and probably therefore irrelevant but I finally found Menne s station list at http www ncdc noaa gov oa climate research ushcn menne et al 2010 Look for links to Set 1 Set 2 Set 3 and Set 4 gimply Posted Mar 14 2010 at 11 21 AM Permalink Reply While you personally may find it inconceivable the climategate emails WATTS observations and the diarizations on this blog suggest to ME that such a practice is at lesat negligent and may be both deliberate and widespread John Slayton Posted Mar 18 2010 at 12 51 AM Permalink Reply I posted these over at WUWT chiefio some readers may find it useful Previous discussions the lost stations in Honolulu and Dutch Harbour have already called attention to the limited intelligence of available data searches Trivial errors lead to blind alleys Type in MCMILLIN instead of MC MILLIN and MMS will simply report that it couldn t find a match The list of version 2 stations available at http cdiac ornl gov ftp ushcn v2 monthly ushcn stations txt contains over 250 station names that do not match the MMS data For whatever use it may have I have used the COOP numbers to look up and correct these names The resulting file is posted at http members dslextreme com users juanslayton v2 stations txt Of course I don t really know which names are correct but MMS has more information so I go with their names and here s the list of closed v2 stations Many have been closed since the 90 s One does wonder what motivates creating a new network incorporating stations that have been closed ten or fifteen years http members dslextreme com users juanslayton closedstations gallopingcamel Posted Mar 21 2010 at 3 42 PM Permalink Reply Steve It seems to be well established that the number of stations reported at GHCN is dropping Peterson Vose 1997 1998 recently updated by D Aleo Watts I used to earn a living collecting energetic photons up to 170 MeV It would never have occurred to me to discard 80 of the data before starting the analysis Is there any reasonable explanation for doing so in Climate Science E M Smith Posted Apr 12 2010 at 4 25 PM Permalink Reply It looks to me like there is an unclosed bold at GSN GHCND Version as everything after that heading stays bolded xyzlatin Not all data sets are created equal The GHCN keeps the short records That is then fed into GIStemp that tosses out anything sorter than 20 years in the STEP2 processing just prior to the PApars f program So depending on where you stick your ladle in the river you get different results IMHO the more upriver from the effluent producers the better Allan Williams Even the GHCN UN Adjusted data are rather adjusted I ve yet to find actual raw sources The QA process can fabricate data based on averages of nearby stations and can change the values of items http chiefio wordpress com 2010 04 11 qa or tossing data you decide Don t know the size of the impact though gallopingcamel Yes the GHCN set has dropped from over 6000 at peak activity to about 1200 now Though in the last couple of years they have started adding stations back in not clear if they are adding warming stations but it looks like it ThosTHos how to pick warming vs cooling sites Easy Very easy First off you could just pick places with planned economic growth Like oh Airports I m sure it s just an accident that

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