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  • Have Blue [dot org] » What a difference three thou makes
    such a small layer height it wants to swell up as it s being smeared to a road width much greater than the road thickness At this point I wondered if newer algorithms and flow curves present in Insight might make 7 thou base layers behave a little better Unfortunately Insight never had support for the 1600 and official support for the entire FDM thousand series machines was dropped at the end of the version 6 lifespan though it can generate output for the 1650 Given that there are a number of 1650s still in use yet I m the only one I know of with a 1600 it was possible that differences between the two are minimal In looking through generated output from QuickSlice for the two models it looked like parameters were very similar though the 1650 is run a little faster I crossed my fingers set up Insight to send to a 1650 and let it rip on a Mendel test part at a 0 010 slice height Wonder of wonders it ran without a hitch a part that would take an hour in Quickslice would take only about 45 minutes through Insight I set up a whole plate of Mendel parts and it ran equally well I then tried a small part at a 0 007 slice height in Insight it ran fine so perhaps having a large surface area for the base is an issue Insight also has several support styles available so I ll need to play with those settings as well 12 comments so far Add Your Comment Reply John Branlund said 2011 06 08 19 35 On your trigger I ve had several parts that the part geometry wasn t liked by Stratasys due to a shollow curved surface in Z I usually try to put those on the top of the build but your part that isn t possible If you tip the part up on one end in Z it will track the fine slow curves better but use more support Glad the Insight is working for you and me too John Reply Have Blue said 2011 06 09 09 00 Yeah it seems supporting curved surfaces in Z is rather tricky I wonder if the soluble support is deposited differently as full contact between the two materials is just fine in that case Reply John Branlund said 2011 06 11 19 22 The only soluble supports parts I ve run were years ago on a Dimension SST I had also run the same parts on a BST As I recall the support structures looked identical but I didn t mic them It may be neat to have a standard part and run it on as many machines as possible just to check stuff like that And save the part intact for future comparisons John Reply Have Blue said 2011 06 12 21 34 Standard parts is precisely what I ve been pondering and have an attempt at such a

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  • Have Blue [dot org] » A challenger appears!
    but then again the UP printer that they re intended for use with is a small desktop printer Happily they have a 2 mounting hole so FDM users don t have to re spool onto empty Stratasys reels I threaded the material through the FDM 1600 and after waiting for the head to come up to temperature I loaded it through the T12 modeling tip The extruded material looked and acted just like Stratasys P400 so I grabbed a micrometer and checked the die swell 0 0175 Time to get the support material loaded and try making some parts this was very promising Despite being honest to goodness Stratasys breakaway support material I had trouble with it kinking between the feed wheels and the liquifier inlet I had almost resigned myself to tracking down some Vespel rod horrifically expensive to machine a new inlet that would reduce the distance to the drive wheels when I figured I d try drilling out the nozzle again with a 0 011 bit There must have been some buildup in the tip as I had no more jamming after running the drill bit through I thought I d give Adrian s cute little mini extruder a try I could post lots of pictures of all the results but I ll keep it brief and simply say that the PP3DP filament runs great If I didn t know any better I d swear that it was Stratasys P400 it has the same matte finish die swell adhesion to support material etc that the OEM filament has It does seem to have a substantial amount of ooze though it has been rather humid lately and I didn t bother trying to dry the filament it came in a sealed bag with desiccant While I ll certainly

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  • Have Blue [dot org] » 3D Printing
    disassembly Category 3D Printing Tags no tag 16 comments 2010 09 04 More fun and games with plastic filament Category 3D Printing Tags no tag 4 comments 2010 08 19 We hold these truths to be self evident that not all ABS is created equal Category 3D Printing Tags no tag 36 comments 2010 08 16 My ABS is all droopy Category 3D Printing Tags no tag 5 comments 2010

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  • Have Blue [dot org] » And now for a bit of EEPROM hacking
    ColdFire version 0 rev 0 Mariner build 1710 0 Cause of last reset Power Cycle POST successful last act 289136 req 244217 malloc 651 0 stk 1188 11196 act 279648 268768 req 234729 231646 malloc 538 0 stk 2212 11196 Any help would be fine Thanks Robert Reply Dennis said 2014 10 12 04 51 Hi Have you had any success with this we have the same problem with ours Reply Yogi said 2013 04 06 10 25 Hi folks hope you could help out as our BST 768 stopped to work I assume there is something wrong with the alignment before starting to build the part Whenever were are starting a printout the BST 768 starts to work the build platform is moving around for some seconds and then the system shows CODE 14 100 on the LCD display and the BST 768 is rebooting Unfortunately the CDROM with the error codes is archived somewhere where we can t find it Probably somebody could help us out with the meaning of that error code or behavior Thanks Yogi Reply Yogi said 2013 04 10 11 04 HI Folks after some search and analysis it turned out that the sensor Z home became defective but only when the printer was heating up We ordered the switch a part worth 6 and replaced it and now our BST 768 is running as well as before Reply filippo moroni said 2013 07 02 11 59 hi I have the same problem with bst 768 and same error CODE 14 100 where is placed that switch and where did you ordered it for 6 thanks Filippo Reply Sergi said 2014 08 06 04 22 Hi I have the error CODE 14 100 with sst768 Could tell us to solve it Thanks Reply Have Blue said 2014 08 06 08 23 You may want to check this forum there s some sharp folks there http www 3dprintforums com forumdisplay php f 55 Reply Kain said 2013 04 08 16 05 Hi guys I have an older BST1200 with recently updated firmware that I ve been trying to figure out I ve written lines into the rc local to delete any system dat files I could find among the various partitions but the reloaded reflashed cartridges don t seem to be resetting If I wipe the printers HDD and reload it with my backup img the reset cartridges can be used so I figure the firmware update must have started storing the EEPROM data in some other files aside from just in the system dat files Any recommendation on how I could go about finding those files Best Kain kain3713 gmail com Reply Mel said 2013 05 02 07 20 other think I have a problem with a full cartridge It s blocked because the tip is inside I cut it off and I don t even see them Is there a chance for this cartridge Reply Steve said 2014 04 18 09 25 Open the cartridge with a 7 64 hex wrench turn the cartridge upside down unscrew the four bolts BUT DON T OPEN THE CARTRIDGE UNTIL IT S RIGHTSIDE UP Turn the cartridge rightside up keeping track of the four bolts cut loosen or remove the side id sticker so the top half of the cartridge can be lifted off Then you can extend or retract the filament as needed To close it up make sure the 2 pinch rollers dessicant bags and the gasket are in place then put the lid back on hold the halves together while you turn the cartridge upside down Insert and tighten the 4 bolts and you re done Reply Hegard said 2013 05 02 10 03 Hi My friend have a SST 768 and the hard drive seem to malfunction Is there any way that he can get the software OS etc to setup another drive Regards Reply Meawoppl said 2013 05 02 12 06 Hello all We have a Dimension Elite that we are working over We successfully installed the rc local trick to remove the internal cartridge logs but have been having problems dumping the cartridge chips We have tried both the arduion approach 1 wire interface etc and the DIAG port trick The DIAG report does not echo anything back and the chips respond with all zeros including the ROM portion so it feels like we are doing something wrong on both fronts Can someone look over my code snippet and tell me what I am doing wrong Should I post a link Reply Yogi said 2013 05 20 05 22 Well I always used a cheap USB 1WIRE dongle to connect and read write the chips BUT we always are using the DIAG terminal interface as well Is the DIAG not answering anymore or just not giving back any EEPROM data Reply VSB said 2014 02 17 17 09 I have the exact same problem I have no idea what im doing wrong Reply Tigerf said 2014 03 23 07 06 Hi Meawoppl may I know how you installed the rc local trick Reply Oleg said 2013 05 05 06 41 Guys may be someone of you has Insight software it should be relatively new cause i want to experiment with fortus 250mc files I ve done some research and now i am able to print files with 0 07 layer height with my sst1200es I wiдl appreciate any help from you Thanks you can find me by mail ashanin gmail com removes spaces Reply Arthur Mosier said 2013 07 06 20 24 Eureka Nice site Now my problem I have an FDM 3000 which was running fine until I took head out to clean nozzels Now on startup the CTM150 user keypad shows that it booted and passed by displaying Version 2 00 Test OK but the FDM controller no longer displays it s v9 07 check or the controls for the feed motors to LOAD UNLOAD or any other FDM controller interface It did a pin to pin continuity check of the head to controller cable all good I tried pressing the RESET button which connects to the DS1232 guard chip but no reset of the FDM controller I ordered a new HPC46003V20 microprocessor and DS1232 chip but I read in the data sheets that the microprocessor has built in user programmable ROM in addtion to the two EEPROM s called HI and LO mounted on the FDM controller board I would really like to connect with someone who can troubleshoot an FDM 3000 for cash or sell me the FDM controller service manuals and any BIOS that I need to flash to the microcontroller It s a great machine just some little fiddly component is FUBAR and needs repalcement Please advise Thanks Reply Arthur Mosier said 2013 07 06 20 26 Also I wondered if any clever fellow has worked up an Arduino based controller that can replace the Stratasys controller That would be a major benefit Reply Marc said 2013 07 11 09 11 im using a BST120es but somehow i fail to get a serial connection to the diag port i tried three different USB2Serial converter different cables swapping TX RX a s o and all the possible settings for the com port 38400 8N1 but i never get anything back from the printer i used putty win7 minicom and gtkterm ubuntu nothing worked does anyone have an idea hint what the problem might be thnx Marc Reply Have Blue said 2013 07 13 10 49 Any chance you can try using a computer with a built in serial port I have had mixed results with USB converters in the past and I run my FDM printers off of computers with built in ports Reply Jeff Hersch said 2013 09 13 11 18 I m adding this line rm system dat to etc rc local but it doesn t seem to be doing the trick Any pointers would be appreciated Jeff Reply Have Blue said 2013 09 14 11 18 Jeff newer firmware versions also require mariner config system dat to be removed As for the blinking red you ll have to see what that s indicating it may be normal check what colors are defined http linux sxs org housekeeping lscolors html Reply Jeff Hersch said 2013 09 13 11 53 Also I notice that etc grub conf is now blinking with a red background in the directory listing How can this be fixed Jeff Reply Rick said 2013 12 06 14 55 Thanks all for all the wonderful information but I am having problems with hacking a dimension 1200 I have followed all the procedures and no go Has anyone out there simplified the procedure any more When I try and re flash the chip it just sits there and does nothing Any help would be greatly appriciated Reply Have Blue said 2013 12 06 15 22 Rick what are you using to re flash the EEPROM Can you do an EEPROM read to see if the contents are what you expect Reply jp said 2013 12 15 09 05 hello like KELL as saying someone trying to load code from a full cartridge in a new epprom cordially Reply Have Blue said 2013 12 24 19 25 The best method is to re write the EEPROM as it was at 100 full see this post at gnurds com http gnurds com index php 2013 01 02 simplified 3d printer hacking Reply Douglas Gilbert said 2013 12 28 10 22 The newest firmware update I downloaded from the server updates the kernel to 2 6 23 15 137 FC8 from the old 2 4 18 24 Instead of the LILO boot it uses GRUB and loads a disk image at boot I guess it s a nice upgrade but if you opened port 22 before Updating to this firmware Closed that hole Reply Have Blue said 2013 12 29 22 31 It can certainly be reopened also I believe the filesystem is mounted read only now so remount r w before you try making any changes to the firewall settings Reply Chelmite said 2014 05 08 09 43 What did you have to download to upgrade the kernel to 2 6 23 15 You later said that 2 6 26 8 57 fc8 wouldn t work with mariner Did you find a later version that works with mariner 2 4 18 is really lame Thanks Reply Douglas Gilbert said 2013 12 30 04 54 I mounted the drive in another machine with Ubuntu chroot d to the drive from the printer erased the shadow file from root etc and then ran passwd root to change the root password I changed all of the grub conf files and removed the RO from them Best part of this whole thing Good by Vi Nano is part of the update Reply Have Blue said 2013 12 30 10 33 Yep mounting the drive in another machine is the easiest way if you are doing the modifications right on the live system though it s a little trickier with having to remount the filesystem and such Reply Douglas Gilbert said 2013 12 30 12 48 Just for the fun of it chkconfig add sshd will add the sshd to the boot init chkconfig sshd on turns it on Then while I was adding port 22 to the iptables I removed the outbound reject rules Added some DNS name servers to the hosts file Renamed the hostname to 3D Printer from Master Since the printer can now speak to the outside world I updated yum And am now in the middle of upgrading the packages from a yum check update I think I will either pick up a pata SSD for it Or possibly a pata sata adapter and put a more readily available sata ssd in it just because I don t like old Seagate drives Reply Douglas Gilbert said 2013 12 30 15 03 Oops Don t upgrade the kernel to 2 6 26 8 57 fc8 The mariner modules were not compatible Grub back to the old one Reply Douglas Gilbert said 2014 01 05 15 48 Pulled the PC104 board out of my machine to see what it was Advantech PCM 9371 with 128MB memory Here is the user manual http advantech vo llnwd net o35 ProductFile 1 K3BUH PCM 9371 Manual ed 1 pdf Just in case anyone wants to play with the board It does have a compact flash slot on the back to use a solid state card IDK why they would put a hard drive in this thing if they could have used that instead Reply Have Blue said 2014 01 05 18 51 I m guessing they skipped using the CF card to make sure that their main drive image was backwards compatible with older hardware the system software has been very picky about being run from dev hdc for example Reply Douglas Gilbert said 2014 01 05 20 33 Just for fun I think I might up the memory in this thing from the 128 to 512 and DD the drive to a CF card I wonder if I could order something from Advantech with a newer pc on card that would work with this thing Probably a waste of time But I just want to mess with it Reply Jim said 2014 01 05 23 08 I have a Dimension 768 BST and the hard rive is corrupt completely lost partition 1 if anyone can get me an ISO discs or clone a drive for me I would be willing to pay for it I need my machine thanks Reply matt said 2014 01 13 14 37 i have a dimension 768 bst the hard drive has failed could anyone give me an image of the drive thanks noonevav1 gmail com Reply matt said 2014 01 13 14 41 sorry email is noonevac1 gmail com Reply Have Blue said 2014 01 13 15 41 Matt I think the drive image may be tied to whatever firmware your mainboard is using so it may not be a simple re image job Also I ll mention it in a future blog post but there s apparently a new forum for Stratasys users that you might want to ask on stratasysusers org Reply matt said 2014 01 13 17 49 thank you i have the service manual and went through the trouble shooting i have squares across all the lcds Reply Have Blue said 2014 01 13 22 35 What generation controller bay does your machine have Reply matt said 2014 01 28 10 51 how do i tell what generation controller bay i have if you email me i can send you a picture my direct email is mattk flexibleconcepts com thanks any help would be greatly appreciated Reply Have Blue said 2014 01 29 12 26 Gen 1 electronics have a 186 based controller board while Gen 2 and 3 have a Coldfire based controller Gen 3 controller has a column of LEDs on the top right of the board but Gen 2 does not Reply matt said 2014 02 13 14 06 its a gen 1 with the 186 i got a new hd from strat still have dark squares across all lcd s think it might be the SBC which is a Ampro p5v what goes bad in these the embedded cmos Reply matt said 2014 03 13 11 45 turned out to be a bad front display that was keeping the machine from booting and displaying squares across all screens Reply Makhmud said 2014 01 14 05 30 I have Dimension sst1200es 3D printer After the voltage source reset suddenly the printer givinig me message Starting up Finding home to lcd display What should I do Can anybody help me Running POST Internal Flash CRC Test PASS SDRAM Addr Test PASS ISA DPM Addr Test PASS Pmd DPM Data Test PASS External Flash CRC Test PASS NVRAM check PASS Supply Voltages 5V supply 5 04V Range 4 85 to 5 15 PASS 12V supply 11 98V Range 11 28 to 12 72 PASS 15V supply 15 88V Range 13 50 to 16 50 PASS 15V supply 15 82V Range 13 50 to 16 50 PASS 10V supply 10 00V Range 9 84 to 10 16 PASS 3 3V supply 3 28V Range 3 23 to 3 37 PASS Navigator checksum 0 12345678 Navigator version 0 28400F23 Pilot checksum 0 12345678 Pilot version 0 34100F22 Pmd DAC Tests XSin 0 00V 0 01V Range 0 06 to 0 06 PASS XSin 2 15V 2 25V Range 1 96 to 2 34 PASS XSin 4 30V 4 49V Range 3 98 to 4 62 PASS YSin 0 00V 0 01V Range 0 06 to 0 06 PASS YSin 2 15V 2 25V Range 1 96 to 2 34 PASS YSin 4 30V 4 48V Range 3 98 to 4 62 PASS ZSin 0 00V 0 01V Range 0 06 to 0 06 PASS ZSin 2 15V 2 25V Range 1 96 to 2 34 PASS ZSin 4 30V 4 49V Range 3 98 to 4 62 PASS Controller board EEPROM CRC Test PASS Controller Configuration ID 0 Controller part number 205627 0002 Controller serial number 0945 000285 Power Dist board EEPROM CRC Test PASS PDB Configuration ID 0 PDB part number 202569 0006 PDB serial number 0948 002057 CPLD version 33 ColdFire version 0 rev 0 Mariner build 1924 0 Cause of last reset Software Reset POST successful last act 718768 req 660187 malloc 849 0 stk 3240 8792 act 699104 690720 req 640523 638280 malloc 760 0 stk 2724 8792 SS NMIStatus 0 0 Flags 0xc8 Initialized MhmReady ShmReady PwrControl 0xd DC HeadHeater Cartridge 0 3fc3 ModPresent SupPresent ModLoaded SupLoaded ModLatched SupLatched ModMatInHead SupMatInHead ReplaceFailed LoadFailed XYAxis 0 0 ZAxis 0 0 Status 0 2000 command flag

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  • Have Blue [dot org] » And now for a bit of EEPROM hacking
    ColdFire version 0 rev 0 Mariner build 1710 0 Cause of last reset Power Cycle POST successful last act 289136 req 244217 malloc 651 0 stk 1188 11196 act 279648 268768 req 234729 231646 malloc 538 0 stk 2212 11196 Any help would be fine Thanks Robert Reply Dennis said 2014 10 12 04 51 Hi Have you had any success with this we have the same problem with ours Reply Yogi said 2013 04 06 10 25 Hi folks hope you could help out as our BST 768 stopped to work I assume there is something wrong with the alignment before starting to build the part Whenever were are starting a printout the BST 768 starts to work the build platform is moving around for some seconds and then the system shows CODE 14 100 on the LCD display and the BST 768 is rebooting Unfortunately the CDROM with the error codes is archived somewhere where we can t find it Probably somebody could help us out with the meaning of that error code or behavior Thanks Yogi Reply Yogi said 2013 04 10 11 04 HI Folks after some search and analysis it turned out that the sensor Z home became defective but only when the printer was heating up We ordered the switch a part worth 6 and replaced it and now our BST 768 is running as well as before Reply filippo moroni said 2013 07 02 11 59 hi I have the same problem with bst 768 and same error CODE 14 100 where is placed that switch and where did you ordered it for 6 thanks Filippo Reply Sergi said 2014 08 06 04 22 Hi I have the error CODE 14 100 with sst768 Could tell us to solve it Thanks Reply Have Blue said 2014 08 06 08 23 You may want to check this forum there s some sharp folks there http www 3dprintforums com forumdisplay php f 55 Reply Kain said 2013 04 08 16 05 Hi guys I have an older BST1200 with recently updated firmware that I ve been trying to figure out I ve written lines into the rc local to delete any system dat files I could find among the various partitions but the reloaded reflashed cartridges don t seem to be resetting If I wipe the printers HDD and reload it with my backup img the reset cartridges can be used so I figure the firmware update must have started storing the EEPROM data in some other files aside from just in the system dat files Any recommendation on how I could go about finding those files Best Kain kain3713 gmail com Reply Mel said 2013 05 02 07 20 other think I have a problem with a full cartridge It s blocked because the tip is inside I cut it off and I don t even see them Is there a chance for this cartridge Reply Steve said 2014 04 18 09 25 Open the cartridge with a 7 64 hex wrench turn the cartridge upside down unscrew the four bolts BUT DON T OPEN THE CARTRIDGE UNTIL IT S RIGHTSIDE UP Turn the cartridge rightside up keeping track of the four bolts cut loosen or remove the side id sticker so the top half of the cartridge can be lifted off Then you can extend or retract the filament as needed To close it up make sure the 2 pinch rollers dessicant bags and the gasket are in place then put the lid back on hold the halves together while you turn the cartridge upside down Insert and tighten the 4 bolts and you re done Reply Hegard said 2013 05 02 10 03 Hi My friend have a SST 768 and the hard drive seem to malfunction Is there any way that he can get the software OS etc to setup another drive Regards Reply Meawoppl said 2013 05 02 12 06 Hello all We have a Dimension Elite that we are working over We successfully installed the rc local trick to remove the internal cartridge logs but have been having problems dumping the cartridge chips We have tried both the arduion approach 1 wire interface etc and the DIAG port trick The DIAG report does not echo anything back and the chips respond with all zeros including the ROM portion so it feels like we are doing something wrong on both fronts Can someone look over my code snippet and tell me what I am doing wrong Should I post a link Reply Yogi said 2013 05 20 05 22 Well I always used a cheap USB 1WIRE dongle to connect and read write the chips BUT we always are using the DIAG terminal interface as well Is the DIAG not answering anymore or just not giving back any EEPROM data Reply VSB said 2014 02 17 17 09 I have the exact same problem I have no idea what im doing wrong Reply Tigerf said 2014 03 23 07 06 Hi Meawoppl may I know how you installed the rc local trick Reply Oleg said 2013 05 05 06 41 Guys may be someone of you has Insight software it should be relatively new cause i want to experiment with fortus 250mc files I ve done some research and now i am able to print files with 0 07 layer height with my sst1200es I wiдl appreciate any help from you Thanks you can find me by mail ashanin gmail com removes spaces Reply Arthur Mosier said 2013 07 06 20 24 Eureka Nice site Now my problem I have an FDM 3000 which was running fine until I took head out to clean nozzels Now on startup the CTM150 user keypad shows that it booted and passed by displaying Version 2 00 Test OK but the FDM controller no longer displays it s v9 07 check or the controls for the feed motors to LOAD UNLOAD or any other FDM controller interface It did a pin to pin continuity check of the head to controller cable all good I tried pressing the RESET button which connects to the DS1232 guard chip but no reset of the FDM controller I ordered a new HPC46003V20 microprocessor and DS1232 chip but I read in the data sheets that the microprocessor has built in user programmable ROM in addtion to the two EEPROM s called HI and LO mounted on the FDM controller board I would really like to connect with someone who can troubleshoot an FDM 3000 for cash or sell me the FDM controller service manuals and any BIOS that I need to flash to the microcontroller It s a great machine just some little fiddly component is FUBAR and needs repalcement Please advise Thanks Reply Arthur Mosier said 2013 07 06 20 26 Also I wondered if any clever fellow has worked up an Arduino based controller that can replace the Stratasys controller That would be a major benefit Reply Marc said 2013 07 11 09 11 im using a BST120es but somehow i fail to get a serial connection to the diag port i tried three different USB2Serial converter different cables swapping TX RX a s o and all the possible settings for the com port 38400 8N1 but i never get anything back from the printer i used putty win7 minicom and gtkterm ubuntu nothing worked does anyone have an idea hint what the problem might be thnx Marc Reply Have Blue said 2013 07 13 10 49 Any chance you can try using a computer with a built in serial port I have had mixed results with USB converters in the past and I run my FDM printers off of computers with built in ports Reply Jeff Hersch said 2013 09 13 11 18 I m adding this line rm system dat to etc rc local but it doesn t seem to be doing the trick Any pointers would be appreciated Jeff Reply Have Blue said 2013 09 14 11 18 Jeff newer firmware versions also require mariner config system dat to be removed As for the blinking red you ll have to see what that s indicating it may be normal check what colors are defined http linux sxs org housekeeping lscolors html Reply Jeff Hersch said 2013 09 13 11 53 Also I notice that etc grub conf is now blinking with a red background in the directory listing How can this be fixed Jeff Reply Rick said 2013 12 06 14 55 Thanks all for all the wonderful information but I am having problems with hacking a dimension 1200 I have followed all the procedures and no go Has anyone out there simplified the procedure any more When I try and re flash the chip it just sits there and does nothing Any help would be greatly appriciated Reply Have Blue said 2013 12 06 15 22 Rick what are you using to re flash the EEPROM Can you do an EEPROM read to see if the contents are what you expect Reply jp said 2013 12 15 09 05 hello like KELL as saying someone trying to load code from a full cartridge in a new epprom cordially Reply Have Blue said 2013 12 24 19 25 The best method is to re write the EEPROM as it was at 100 full see this post at gnurds com http gnurds com index php 2013 01 02 simplified 3d printer hacking Reply Douglas Gilbert said 2013 12 28 10 22 The newest firmware update I downloaded from the server updates the kernel to 2 6 23 15 137 FC8 from the old 2 4 18 24 Instead of the LILO boot it uses GRUB and loads a disk image at boot I guess it s a nice upgrade but if you opened port 22 before Updating to this firmware Closed that hole Reply Have Blue said 2013 12 29 22 31 It can certainly be reopened also I believe the filesystem is mounted read only now so remount r w before you try making any changes to the firewall settings Reply Chelmite said 2014 05 08 09 43 What did you have to download to upgrade the kernel to 2 6 23 15 You later said that 2 6 26 8 57 fc8 wouldn t work with mariner Did you find a later version that works with mariner 2 4 18 is really lame Thanks Reply Douglas Gilbert said 2013 12 30 04 54 I mounted the drive in another machine with Ubuntu chroot d to the drive from the printer erased the shadow file from root etc and then ran passwd root to change the root password I changed all of the grub conf files and removed the RO from them Best part of this whole thing Good by Vi Nano is part of the update Reply Have Blue said 2013 12 30 10 33 Yep mounting the drive in another machine is the easiest way if you are doing the modifications right on the live system though it s a little trickier with having to remount the filesystem and such Reply Douglas Gilbert said 2013 12 30 12 48 Just for the fun of it chkconfig add sshd will add the sshd to the boot init chkconfig sshd on turns it on Then while I was adding port 22 to the iptables I removed the outbound reject rules Added some DNS name servers to the hosts file Renamed the hostname to 3D Printer from Master Since the printer can now speak to the outside world I updated yum And am now in the middle of upgrading the packages from a yum check update I think I will either pick up a pata SSD for it Or possibly a pata sata adapter and put a more readily available sata ssd in it just because I don t like old Seagate drives Reply Douglas Gilbert said 2013 12 30 15 03 Oops Don t upgrade the kernel to 2 6 26 8 57 fc8 The mariner modules were not compatible Grub back to the old one Reply Douglas Gilbert said 2014 01 05 15 48 Pulled the PC104 board out of my machine to see what it was Advantech PCM 9371 with 128MB memory Here is the user manual http advantech vo llnwd net o35 ProductFile 1 K3BUH PCM 9371 Manual ed 1 pdf Just in case anyone wants to play with the board It does have a compact flash slot on the back to use a solid state card IDK why they would put a hard drive in this thing if they could have used that instead Reply Have Blue said 2014 01 05 18 51 I m guessing they skipped using the CF card to make sure that their main drive image was backwards compatible with older hardware the system software has been very picky about being run from dev hdc for example Reply Douglas Gilbert said 2014 01 05 20 33 Just for fun I think I might up the memory in this thing from the 128 to 512 and DD the drive to a CF card I wonder if I could order something from Advantech with a newer pc on card that would work with this thing Probably a waste of time But I just want to mess with it Reply Jim said 2014 01 05 23 08 I have a Dimension 768 BST and the hard rive is corrupt completely lost partition 1 if anyone can get me an ISO discs or clone a drive for me I would be willing to pay for it I need my machine thanks Reply matt said 2014 01 13 14 37 i have a dimension 768 bst the hard drive has failed could anyone give me an image of the drive thanks noonevav1 gmail com Reply matt said 2014 01 13 14 41 sorry email is noonevac1 gmail com Reply Have Blue said 2014 01 13 15 41 Matt I think the drive image may be tied to whatever firmware your mainboard is using so it may not be a simple re image job Also I ll mention it in a future blog post but there s apparently a new forum for Stratasys users that you might want to ask on stratasysusers org Reply matt said 2014 01 13 17 49 thank you i have the service manual and went through the trouble shooting i have squares across all the lcds Reply Have Blue said 2014 01 13 22 35 What generation controller bay does your machine have Reply matt said 2014 01 28 10 51 how do i tell what generation controller bay i have if you email me i can send you a picture my direct email is mattk flexibleconcepts com thanks any help would be greatly appreciated Reply Have Blue said 2014 01 29 12 26 Gen 1 electronics have a 186 based controller board while Gen 2 and 3 have a Coldfire based controller Gen 3 controller has a column of LEDs on the top right of the board but Gen 2 does not Reply matt said 2014 02 13 14 06 its a gen 1 with the 186 i got a new hd from strat still have dark squares across all lcd s think it might be the SBC which is a Ampro p5v what goes bad in these the embedded cmos Reply matt said 2014 03 13 11 45 turned out to be a bad front display that was keeping the machine from booting and displaying squares across all screens Reply Makhmud said 2014 01 14 05 30 I have Dimension sst1200es 3D printer After the voltage source reset suddenly the printer givinig me message Starting up Finding home to lcd display What should I do Can anybody help me Running POST Internal Flash CRC Test PASS SDRAM Addr Test PASS ISA DPM Addr Test PASS Pmd DPM Data Test PASS External Flash CRC Test PASS NVRAM check PASS Supply Voltages 5V supply 5 04V Range 4 85 to 5 15 PASS 12V supply 11 98V Range 11 28 to 12 72 PASS 15V supply 15 88V Range 13 50 to 16 50 PASS 15V supply 15 82V Range 13 50 to 16 50 PASS 10V supply 10 00V Range 9 84 to 10 16 PASS 3 3V supply 3 28V Range 3 23 to 3 37 PASS Navigator checksum 0 12345678 Navigator version 0 28400F23 Pilot checksum 0 12345678 Pilot version 0 34100F22 Pmd DAC Tests XSin 0 00V 0 01V Range 0 06 to 0 06 PASS XSin 2 15V 2 25V Range 1 96 to 2 34 PASS XSin 4 30V 4 49V Range 3 98 to 4 62 PASS YSin 0 00V 0 01V Range 0 06 to 0 06 PASS YSin 2 15V 2 25V Range 1 96 to 2 34 PASS YSin 4 30V 4 48V Range 3 98 to 4 62 PASS ZSin 0 00V 0 01V Range 0 06 to 0 06 PASS ZSin 2 15V 2 25V Range 1 96 to 2 34 PASS ZSin 4 30V 4 49V Range 3 98 to 4 62 PASS Controller board EEPROM CRC Test PASS Controller Configuration ID 0 Controller part number 205627 0002 Controller serial number 0945 000285 Power Dist board EEPROM CRC Test PASS PDB Configuration ID 0 PDB part number 202569 0006 PDB serial number 0948 002057 CPLD version 33 ColdFire version 0 rev 0 Mariner build 1924 0 Cause of last reset Software Reset POST successful last act 718768 req 660187 malloc 849 0 stk 3240 8792 act 699104 690720 req 640523 638280 malloc 760 0 stk 2724 8792 SS NMIStatus 0 0 Flags 0xc8 Initialized MhmReady ShmReady PwrControl 0xd DC HeadHeater Cartridge 0 3fc3 ModPresent SupPresent ModLoaded SupLoaded ModLatched SupLatched ModMatInHead SupMatInHead ReplaceFailed LoadFailed XYAxis 0 0 ZAxis 0 0 Status 0 2000 command flag

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    week and I m figuring it out how to calculate them Reply Have Blue said 2011 08 31 12 37 Actually I think 0 28 0 2F and 0 30 0 37 are the manufacturing and first use dates I noticed in a log file from a machine that these two values were identical when read apparently Stratasys doesn t update the initial use field in the EEPROM Reply Plapla said 2011 08 31 14 12 Can you drop me a line I would like to check some topics on EEPROM readings Reply Have Blue said 2011 09 05 09 48 Sent you an email post here again if you didn t get it Reply Eran said 2011 09 06 02 50 How can one read write to EEPROM ds2433 chip using arduino Does anybody have a code that we can use Thank you Reply Plapla said 2011 09 24 20 06 Hey Blue sorry but I ve been away on vacation I am writting you a mail tomorrow Cheers Reply Jeroen said 2011 10 11 01 31 Hello Is it possible to contact Dervish cause at the moment we are connecting a keyboard to a dimension 3D printer and maybe he could provide some help for us Greetings Reply Have Blue said 2011 10 11 10 24 I haven t heard from Dervish in a while but connecting the keyboard and monitor isn t hard you just need the correct cable set from the maker of the SBC Reply marcio said 2011 10 17 11 40 Hello Blue I am have a FDM2000 but no software Where can i get the sotware to run this machine Stratasys no longer supports this model Any help would be great Thank you Marcio Reply Jeroen Depauw said 2011 10 18 02 14 I ve got four questions 1 Is there someone who can send me the maraca software 2 Does anybody can show me with print screens how to open port 22 3 How can you modify the temperature of the heating head 4 Where can I modify the distance between the support and model heating heads Greetings Jeroen Reply kataze said 2011 11 04 16 57 I have a stratasys prodigy plus and while fooling around in the Linux system accidentally overwrote a file called lcdcmds I was wondering if anyone on this blog could get another copy for me It doesn t seem to be stored anywhere else Reply Have Blue said 2011 11 07 10 03 Do you have a firmware package that you can re upload That s probably the best way to fix it as that file may get changed as new firmware versions are released Reply Jonathan said 2011 11 10 12 36 I would like to reload the chip on a stratasys spool to reuse the material left on the spool I am using an arduino uno with a maxim ds2433 eeprom to read write the hex file in an attempt to reload the chip Any advice on the code to make this happen Reply Louis Loizides said 2011 12 15 09 26 I m tempted to try this on my printer at work just got a 1200es is there a way to SSH into the SBC without having to remove it I noticed a com port in the back of the printer Reply Louis Loizides said 2011 12 15 09 31 Nevermind just noticed the answer Reply Flavio said 2012 03 21 16 52 Hi guys i have the Stratasys Fortus 250mc and i m trying to refill the spool I see that most of you doesn t have the right tool to read write the 1wire eeprom well you can buy for cheap the buspirate from http dangerousprototypes com It will let you do anything you want on some serial bus usart spi i2c 1 wire included I m using it and it works great you just need to write a sw interface to fill the addresses with your data My problem is that i found inside mariner config the system dat file but even if i remove it the machine regenerate the file and doesn t accept the spool with the reloaded dump give material error do you have any idea Fla Reply Have Blue said 2012 03 22 12 16 The system dat file to delete is the on in the root directory not anything in mariner config edit I stand corrected I wasn t aware that it appears in mariner config in newer firmware versions Reply pm said 2012 04 13 06 37 I want to refill some cartridges for a BST 768 Do I have to dump the EEPROM when the cartridge is new Can I find a way to refill all the old cartridges which don t have virgin EEPROM dumps Flavio could you provide any further information on using the BusPirate with the 1wire eeproms Reply Have Blue said 2012 04 23 13 14 Correct you need to get an EEPROM dump before you start using a new cartridge There is no way to refill a cartridge chip unless you read out the EEPROM when new unless you work for Stratasys and have access to the program that generates the EEPROM data Reply pm said 2012 05 13 11 17 I have access to more than a few empty cartridges would it help if I could produce a dump for each of them If anyone is interested in that data let me know Can someone point me to a good resource for reading writing these EEPROMs with an Arduino or BusPirate I googled a bit but failed to find anything good Reply Have Blue said 2012 05 14 08 58 Empty cartridge dumps won t be of much help but full ones might I ve read out the EEPROMs with a Bus Pirate but it required cutting the trace on the EEPROM board for the resistor I still need to try using a 12v power source as I think that s the trick to getting a read Reply Dan said 2012 06 07 19 57 Have Blue could you detail where to cut the trace use a 12V power source I was under the impression one simply had to connect the ground to pin 3 and a 4 7k ohm resistor between data and pin 4 Reply Have Blue said 2012 06 08 19 55 Dan I m actually hoping to do a blog post on reading an EEPROM with a BusPirate The problem with the Stratasys EEPROM board is that the resistor in place is a 4 7k pullDOWN and not a pullup I think this is why 12v is required Reply JohnB said 2012 12 06 13 37 You don t need to cut the trace to read a cartidge with bus pirate Connect the bus pirate to trace closest to hole to GND and other trace connect to MOSI Connect the bus pirate to the computer USB Start a terminal program I used Realterm and connect to COM for bus pirate mine was COM2 11520 buad no parity 6 data bits 1 stop bit In the open terminal window 1 Type m for menu 2 Type 2 for 1 Wire 3 Type w for power supply 4 Type P for pull up resistor 5 Type for bus reset 6 Type 240 for search 7 Type 204 for skip ROM function 8 Type 0 55 1 0xf0 0 00 0 00 r 512 for dump Save the dumped data from the terminal window Reply Have Blue said 2012 12 06 14 51 Well there you go Thanks John I was concerned that the resistor would mess with getting a good read with the Bus Pirate I ll have to give it a try myself Reply Glomby said 2013 06 03 04 06 Is there any Progress on this I m also trying to get a read from it with an Arduino but it won t work Is it even possible with an Arduino or do I Need to get a Bus Pirate I don t want to cut a trace or anything non reversable because I m trying to build a deviece to simple scan the chip and write it back later Reply Emiliano said 2012 06 18 08 51 Hello I have a Dimension Elite and during the operation the power was cutted The machine starts but the display didn t show anything I do the Cycling Power procedure but the machine don t power off Some can help me with problem Reply Have Blue said 2012 06 18 10 36 Sounds like you may have some filesystem corruption best to hook up a keyboard and monitor to see what bootup messages there are Reply Emiliano said 2012 06 19 04 57 Thank you yesterday we connect a Keyboard and monitor and we saw that one of the file it s damage To repair this file I need a password to enter into the repair console but I don t have one Do you which can be password or where can I find it Best Regards Emiliano Reply Have Blue said 2012 06 21 12 47 If it s asking for the root password there is no valid root password by default you ll need to boot the machine into single user mode and create a valid password Reply Wofforduk said 2012 06 21 02 31 Hey there I have a BST which doesn t get past boot up stage I am wondering if I may be able to have a direct copy of the firmware data it passes the HD testing stage requires a password to which it says incorrect and says expected 1 72344 or something i cannot remember the numbers found FxFFFFF Im a little clueless D so any help would be very gratefully received Thanks Reply Have Blue said 2012 06 21 12 49 I wonder if you re having the same difficulty as Emiliano above Can you boot into single user mode and set a root password Reply Wofforduk said 2012 06 21 14 42 Maybe i can login as single and change the root password however i am still coming up against the same problems which says Master login DPM Invalid signature Expected 53595353 got ffffffff DPM Failed to aquire 28 byte I O memory range at 0xd1000 DPM revision 1 controller with memory size of 8188 bytes DPM revision 1 little endian controller with a 8188 byte dual port memory I know the hard drive is on its way out noisy and have tried to get a ghost image of it before it dies with little success as it skips some partitions saying they are damaged could this be the problem Thanks Reply Have Blue said 2012 06 21 16 53 Ah that error seems to indicate difficulty with communicating with the controller board It s possible that hard drive corruption could be causing the issue but it s hard to say I ve used SpinRite http www grc com sr spinrite htm before to recover repair bad sectors might be worth a try Reply kktuakk said 2012 06 21 03 27 As you can see the bytes from 0038 to 003F are same than 0058 to 005F where the spool material left lives Can you tell me the name of the cartridge where you do this dump Usually the cartridge has the follow names P401 GRY or similar depending the material features and color I m sure the cartridfe name s is inside this bytes between 0058 and 005F Best regards Reply Have Blue said 2012 06 21 13 21 I don t know what specific material code that dump would have read out though I think it was probably just P400 For various reasons I really don t think that specific string is encoded on the EEPROM I m sure it s just a numeric identifier which corresponds to P400 PC ABS P430 NAT etc Reply user said 2012 06 26 11 57 i am not an expert But do you guys know if i put diode on the eeprom which is 100 so machine can t write on eeprom Does it make sence Reply Have Blue said 2012 06 26 14 49 I understand what you re suggesting but it won t work since the EEPROM is a 1 wire unit there is no write protect pin or any other line that can be toyed with Since there s only a single pin for input data output data and parasitic power supply anything that affects writing will also affect reading Reply Daniel said 2012 07 07 13 31 Dear have blue Im Daniel from Buenos Aires Argentina I have read your explanation and was enjoy it English isnt my lenguage but I understood in genral I dont know nothing about electronic but I looking for about haked a uprint material chip and you give me a good information about Bloson material I by pass the security equipment and could used a genric material in the machin but I couls made this in the mechanical way The proces its not complicate you need put a original spool and when the equipment pull the material in you must disconect the house and at the same time introduce by the house the generic material when the generic material arrived to the extruder the original one stop and the machine pull for the genric one during the construction proces the counting stop you preserve the total live of the original spool and chip but used the generic one I whish you could understand my primitive english By Reply Monkko said 2012 07 10 12 13 Daniel I am very interested in understanding more abbout what you did Are we talking about the old spool that came incased Hoy did yuo manage to introduce the material in the house Reply Daniel said 2012 07 10 19 06 Dear Monko i have the Uprint model its a small one on the back have two hose one for the material and other for the support in other models the hoses are inside the equipment The steps are the following Firts discharge the material Secomd disconect the material hose and introduce the generic material in the machine but stop before arrived into the extruder Introduce the original material cartridge in the machine and charge it the filament will into the machine and go out becouse you desconected the hose When the material go out you must push the generic material into the machine until will be catch for the extruder motor at this moment the original material stop becouse the extruder motor take que control and pull the material but are pulling the generic one Conclusion all the time you used the generic material an d not the original and because the counting mechanism work when the original material run the chip didnt change in the charge percent So sorry for my dab explanation if you need I could take some pictures for you Daiel Reply Daniel said 2012 07 10 19 08 Sorry one detaill the generic material must be introduce in the machine by the hose like if the original material continue through the hose Reply Have Blue said 2012 07 10 19 41 Daniel When does the printer actually write back to the EEPROM Is there an encoder on the uPrint that monitors how much filament has been fed out of the cartridge itself Reply Daniel said 2012 07 10 20 07 I really dont know which is the eeprom I guess understand your question and I try to response I used this process every time when the spool chip have only 1 or 2 and I could print practicaly one generic spool whith 1 or 2 Im not understand very well the electronic mechanism and in particular what do the machine to count the filament but probing i could by pass this counting If you whised ask me other think please dont hesitate Daniel Reply Chris said 2012 08 01 11 14 Assuming the guts are at the rear of the machine does the entire metal case need to be removed to get to it Once open and I get SSH working how do I then connect I need to calibrate the table head distance so will be hunting for a config or knowing my luck it will be in binary thanks Reply Have Blue said 2012 08 01 12 23 The guts are at the rear you ll need to use appropriate keyboard and monitor adapter cables to get into single user mode It s just a panel that you ll need to open should be easy to access the SBC Once you have SSH running you can connect directly over the network no further need for the monitor and keyboard Reply Steve said 2012 09 07 22 05 Does anybody know of the current new Stratasys cartridges can still be hacked as described in this post Is it the same EEPROM being used Also thought on disconnecting the spool sensor with the new cartridge such that the amount of material remaining is never decreased and it can be continually reloaded Reply Gnurds Stratasys Dimension SST 768 Hacking said 2012 09 14 23 04 all of this would not have been possible without HaveBlue and his post over at haveblue org that details a few key points about these printers it may work for more than just SST 768 please Reply Aaron Kondziela Blog Archive Stratasys Dimension SST 768 DIY VGA Connector said 2012 09 23 13 33 to another helpful blog post I discovered that the SBC was an Ampro P5v which was awesome because the label for the Reply Nas said 2012 09 27 07 37 I have lots of Model Material which is showing 0 Let me know if any one is interested I would be happy if some one can use them My

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    resin into 0 070 filament for me I visited both of them on Friday and after having a look at the material specifications both said they could handle it They differ a little in terms of setup and die charges which will run me a good bit more than the sample resin itself but at least it s possible There s one or two other extruders that I need to check with for pricing I need to see what Ashland has in the way of injection molding grade HIPS and I need to find a source for wire welding spools the 2 hole diameter is just what s needed for the Stratasys 47 comments so far Add Your Comment Reply Richie Rich said 2010 12 12 22 00 Hey Blue Just curious when you mean local in terms of extruders do you mean the US or Canada Reply Have Blue said 2010 12 12 23 11 US specifically around Milwaukee However Village Plastics may be much more affordable need to give them a call this week Reply Richie Rich said 2010 12 13 04 35 Ok If you find anything out let me know Would be more then interested to have the MG94 extruded at the same place Is there a minimum qty you have to purchase of the plastic from Ashland Reply Have Blue said 2010 12 13 06 30 Minimum is a 55lb sack which is about as small as the extrusion places will run Reply Richie Rich said 2010 12 13 11 08 Thanks How much is it for the minimum sack Reply Have Blue said 2010 12 13 11 27 My current plan is to run 3 materials MG94 MG47 and a cheapie generic injection molding grade HIPS HIVAL 5308 Pricing is SABIC MG94 ABS 5 21 lb special trial pricing SABIC MG47 ABS 5 11 lb special trial pricing HIVAL 5308 HIPS 2 50 lb So a sack of MG94 will be 286 55 MG47 is 281 05 and the 5308 is 137 50 I chatted briefly with a friend who works for a large injection molder and they get notably better pricing on MG47 but they use an immense amount of it 330 lbs at 4 27 lb or 4400 lbs at 2 97 lb Reply Richie Rich said 2010 12 13 12 46 I wonder how well the HIPS will pan out Im assuming it is possible to order a trial rate but I guess it would be better to have them all thested out first I wish I could help you out somehow to speed up the process Reply Have Blue said 2010 12 13 13 47 The 5308 HIPS really doesn t get a trial rate as it s generic priced anyhow The melt flow looks pretty good for the 5308 8 g min 200 C 5 0 kg so hopefully it will be a suitable support material Unfortunately there s not much in the way of comprehensive material data for the HIVAL polymers I assume this is so Ashland can fudge the fomulations a little depending on their supply chain so hopefully that won t bite me in the end Reply Richie Rich said 2010 12 14 15 28 Before going into greater depth of your blog I speedily purchase a couple of coils of the NIP ABS You were telling me that at this point you wouldn t recommend Any idea of what I can do with it Reply Have Blue said 2010 12 14 15 36 You could see if anyone on the RepRap or PP3DP forums would like to buy it Other than that you could certainly experiment with build platform materials you may be able to get some good results with acrylic if you re very careful about getting the nozzle height just right Reply Richie Rich said 2010 12 14 16 40 Thanks Reply Richie Rich said 2010 12 18 13 08 Hey Blue Any update on your quest for material Reply Have Blue said 2010 12 18 15 46 Nothing yet am still waiting on a quote from Village Plastics for the extrusion I was supposed to have gotten a quote Thursday but I guess they re really busy Also I m still waiting to hear back from Ashland s customer service department to get set up as a billable customer I ll have to give both of them a call Monday and ask for an update Reply Richie Rich said 2010 12 23 11 57 Hi Blue Any word Also wanted to wish you all the best during the holidays Reply Have Blue said 2010 12 23 12 25 Yes I did finally get a quote back from Village Plastics and it s a doozy 100 setup charge for each material not bad and a whopping 9 lb for the extrusion itself So 3x 55lb x 9 lb 100 1785 Ouch this is way higher than anticipated could very well be that they simply don t want to deal with such a small order and quoted an astronomical price to shoo me away I called up one of the local extruders I had visited and asked how much it would be if I added in 2 more resins to be run they re guessing 600 for the whole shebang no per pound charge but they re currently running numbers for me and I m hoping to hear back from them today So about a third of the price of what Village Plastics wants and I won t have to pay any shipping as I can just pile all the coils in the truck Even better they d let me know exactly what day they d schedule the job for so that I can come and watch the whole process Still waiting on Ashland to get back to me with the paperwork needed to set up as a customer maybe today but I won t hold my breath Reply Richie Rich said 2010 12

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    resin into 0 070 filament for me I visited both of them on Friday and after having a look at the material specifications both said they could handle it They differ a little in terms of setup and die charges which will run me a good bit more than the sample resin itself but at least it s possible There s one or two other extruders that I need to check with for pricing I need to see what Ashland has in the way of injection molding grade HIPS and I need to find a source for wire welding spools the 2 hole diameter is just what s needed for the Stratasys 47 comments so far Add Your Comment Reply Richie Rich said 2010 12 12 22 00 Hey Blue Just curious when you mean local in terms of extruders do you mean the US or Canada Reply Have Blue said 2010 12 12 23 11 US specifically around Milwaukee However Village Plastics may be much more affordable need to give them a call this week Reply Richie Rich said 2010 12 13 04 35 Ok If you find anything out let me know Would be more then interested to have the MG94 extruded at the same place Is there a minimum qty you have to purchase of the plastic from Ashland Reply Have Blue said 2010 12 13 06 30 Minimum is a 55lb sack which is about as small as the extrusion places will run Reply Richie Rich said 2010 12 13 11 08 Thanks How much is it for the minimum sack Reply Have Blue said 2010 12 13 11 27 My current plan is to run 3 materials MG94 MG47 and a cheapie generic injection molding grade HIPS HIVAL 5308 Pricing is SABIC MG94 ABS 5 21 lb special trial pricing SABIC MG47 ABS 5 11 lb special trial pricing HIVAL 5308 HIPS 2 50 lb So a sack of MG94 will be 286 55 MG47 is 281 05 and the 5308 is 137 50 I chatted briefly with a friend who works for a large injection molder and they get notably better pricing on MG47 but they use an immense amount of it 330 lbs at 4 27 lb or 4400 lbs at 2 97 lb Reply Richie Rich said 2010 12 13 12 46 I wonder how well the HIPS will pan out Im assuming it is possible to order a trial rate but I guess it would be better to have them all thested out first I wish I could help you out somehow to speed up the process Reply Have Blue said 2010 12 13 13 47 The 5308 HIPS really doesn t get a trial rate as it s generic priced anyhow The melt flow looks pretty good for the 5308 8 g min 200 C 5 0 kg so hopefully it will be a suitable support material Unfortunately there s not much in the way of comprehensive material data for the HIVAL polymers I assume this is so Ashland can fudge the fomulations a little depending on their supply chain so hopefully that won t bite me in the end Reply Richie Rich said 2010 12 14 15 28 Before going into greater depth of your blog I speedily purchase a couple of coils of the NIP ABS You were telling me that at this point you wouldn t recommend Any idea of what I can do with it Reply Have Blue said 2010 12 14 15 36 You could see if anyone on the RepRap or PP3DP forums would like to buy it Other than that you could certainly experiment with build platform materials you may be able to get some good results with acrylic if you re very careful about getting the nozzle height just right Reply Richie Rich said 2010 12 14 16 40 Thanks Reply Richie Rich said 2010 12 18 13 08 Hey Blue Any update on your quest for material Reply Have Blue said 2010 12 18 15 46 Nothing yet am still waiting on a quote from Village Plastics for the extrusion I was supposed to have gotten a quote Thursday but I guess they re really busy Also I m still waiting to hear back from Ashland s customer service department to get set up as a billable customer I ll have to give both of them a call Monday and ask for an update Reply Richie Rich said 2010 12 23 11 57 Hi Blue Any word Also wanted to wish you all the best during the holidays Reply Have Blue said 2010 12 23 12 25 Yes I did finally get a quote back from Village Plastics and it s a doozy 100 setup charge for each material not bad and a whopping 9 lb for the extrusion itself So 3x 55lb x 9 lb 100 1785 Ouch this is way higher than anticipated could very well be that they simply don t want to deal with such a small order and quoted an astronomical price to shoo me away I called up one of the local extruders I had visited and asked how much it would be if I added in 2 more resins to be run they re guessing 600 for the whole shebang no per pound charge but they re currently running numbers for me and I m hoping to hear back from them today So about a third of the price of what Village Plastics wants and I won t have to pay any shipping as I can just pile all the coils in the truck Even better they d let me know exactly what day they d schedule the job for so that I can come and watch the whole process Still waiting on Ashland to get back to me with the paperwork needed to set up as a customer maybe today but I won t hold my breath Reply Richie Rich said 2010 12

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