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  • Re: Bibliographic Metadata for Gutenberg by Murray Altheim <altheim(at)eng.sun.com>
    at the U of Illinois has developed a metadata DTD based on RDF Dublin Core and some custom elements It is primarily focused on scientific technical journal articles but might provide a springboard to a more generic DTD We have also been experimenting with the ISO 11179 standard for describing metadata meta meta data You can see some of our documentation at http dli grainger uiuc edu iso11179 idli asp We also have a DTD for our scheme which I could make available if there is interest We also have XSL style sheets for transforming the markup to HTML for viewing extended citations I d very certainly be interested in the projects you mention I like to play as much as anyone but I also don t want to reinvent anything esp since in reading through extant online information there seems to be a multitude of overlapping projects in this area with almost every library seemingly creating their own metadata standard This would be one reason to approach perhaps getting the Dublin Core Gutenberg and OASIS ie industry together in a single schema if that s possible I ll look into the URL you provided but I d also be

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  • Re: Bibliographic Metadata for Gutenberg by "Thomas G. Habing" <habing(at)acm.org>
    DTD for our scheme which I could make available if there is interest We also have XSL style sheets for transforming the markup to HTML for viewing extended citations Comments questions criticisms welcome Tom Thomas G Habing mailto habing at acm org mailto thabing at uiuc edu Murray Altheim wrote Frank talked in Amsterdam last week on a panel about metadata and I just finished having a conversation with Norm Walsh about bibliographic metadata as a separate component in DocBook The prototype DTDs I ve been playing with have a blank module for standardized metadata and I m thinking it might be a really good idea to start an OASIS technical committee on the subject with the goal being a simple grammar in the form of a DTD module to provide all Gutenberg texts with a markup to contain such content I m guessing we d probably want to use some form of Dublin Core Element Set as a basis rather than reinvent the wheel Does anybody have any difficulties with starting an OASIS TC to formalize this effort Would anyone like to participate I have gotten the okay from my management to do so so we could get this

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  • Re: Bibliographic Metadata for Gutenberg by Liam Quin <liam(at)holoweb.net>
    they already maintain such as DocBook Possibly the Dublin Core group are good too and are good people to work with There was some splendid work done at those workshops I think it should be a requirement that all Gutenberg marked up texts contain a common bibliographic metadata block We have to remember that the texts are coming from PG and have poor provenance or at least poorly documented provenance So there s a limit to what can be done But I do agree that what can be done should be done I d want to use RDF and Dubiln Core if possible and also the TEI header I m not enamored with RDF I m sorry to hear that perhaps you could email me privately to say why I don t want to waste everyone s time on the subject on the list until we can agree with each other or agree to disageree As for being an OASIS member if your company isn t already a member you can join for US 250 I for one am not prepared or able to pay that much to join a mailing list that will eat up already precious time I

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  • Re: Bibliographic Metadata for Gutenberg by Liam Quin <liam(at)holoweb.net>
    sun2 todo View Thread Original Does anybody have any difficulties with starting an OASIS TC to formalize this effort Would anyone like to participate You can count me in if Oasis will accept non members these days I have no particular love of oasis but there are worse things I d want to use RDF and Dubiln Core if possible and also the TEI header Lee Liam Quin Barefoot in

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  • Bibliographic Metadata for Gutenberg by Murray Altheim <altheim(at)eng.sun.com>
    bibliographic metadata as a separate component in DocBook The prototype DTDs I ve been playing with have a blank module for standardized metadata and I m thinking it might be a really good idea to start an OASIS technical committee on the subject with the goal being a simple grammar in the form of a DTD module to provide all Gutenberg texts with a markup to contain such content I m guessing we d probably want to use some form of Dublin Core Element Set as a basis rather than reinvent the wheel Does anybody have any difficulties with starting an OASIS TC to formalize this effort Would anyone like to participate I have gotten the okay from my management to do so so we could get this ball arollin fairly quickly since we have 1 a basis in Dublin Core and 2 a strong need to provide the Gutenberg Project DTDs with such a product I m also involved with the topic map activity so I might be able to provide liaison with that work I think we might also get Norm involved which would be great since this might reflect back into DocBook Dunno though since he s

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  • Re: Images for an etext by Murray Altheim <altheim(at)eng.sun.com>
    linked object nor to anything except element content This should be part of XLink of course I don t know whether it will be As for notations In general it s better simply to point at something without saying what format you think it s in Served over the web a png image might be converted to jpg on the fly for example or replaced by a textual description The XML notation spec is not well done at all it s best to avoid them altogether I think unfortunately Either that or try to fix them I ve considered asking Eve to take the issue of DATA typing Section 4 4 3 of 8879 TC2 to the W3C Core WG but I think the general consensus is that it s unlikely the W3C will do anything whatsoever to assist in the lifespan of DTDs and my feeling is that they would on the contrary do what they could to kill them I am very hesitant to advocate the approach taken by the W3C on their own web site as I think this is horribly broken ie it requires connection to their web site for their pages to operate correctly there

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  • Re: Images for an etext by Liam Quin <liam(at)holoweb.net>
    notation to a linked object nor to anything except element content This should be part of XLink of course I don t know whether it will be As for notations In general it s better simply to point at something without saying what format you think it s in Served over the web a png image might be converted to jpg on the fly for example or replaced by a

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  • Re: Images for an etext by Murray Altheim <altheim(at)eng.sun.com>
    not be the case in a couple of years We will also have to declare a notation in the DTD for images The current DTD does not have the proper declarations Unfortunately there s no standardized way in XML to attach a notation to a linked object nor to anything except element content We might want to deal with notations on attribute values and links perhaps providing some feedback on

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