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  • STV - Know more before you vote
    Report 1 Once the total number of valid ballots is established in each multi member district the minimum number of votes required for a candidate to be elected is calculated using the Droop quota formula The quota formula is 2 All ballots are counted and each ballot is allocated as a vote to the candidate against whose name a first preference i e 1 is shown on the ballot 3 If a candidate s on the first count has a number of first preference votes exactly equal to the minimum number of votes needed to be elected then that candidate s is declared elected and the counted ballot papers indicating that candidate s as a first preference are put aside and the other preferences recorded on the ballots are not examined 4 If a candidate on the first count gains more than the minimum number of votes needed to be elected the candidate is declared elected and the number of votes in excess of the number of votes needed to be elected the surplus is recorded All of the elected candidate s ballots are then re examined and assigned to candidates not yet elected according to the second preferences marked on the ballots of those who gave a first preference vote to the elected candidate These votes are allocated according to a transfer value The formula for the transfer value is 5 If two or more candidates on the first count gain more than the minimum number of votes needed to be elected all of those candidates are declared elected The ballots of the candidate with the largest number of first preference votes will be re examined first and assigned at the transfer value to candidates not yet elected according to the second preferences marked on that candidate s ballots or the next available preference if the second preference candidate has already been elected The ballots of the other elected candidate s will then be re examined and their surpluses distributed in order according to the number of first preference votes each candidate received 6 If a candidate reaches more than the minimum number of votes needed to be elected as the consequence of a transfer of votes from an elected candidate the number of votes in excess of the number of votes needed to be elected the surplus will be transferred to other candidates This transfer will be to the next available preference shown on all of this candidate s ballots These ballots now include 1 the candidate s first preference ballots and 2 the parcel s of ballots transferred to the candidate from one or more elected candidates The transfer value for the candidate s first preference ballots is The transfer value for each parcel of ballots transferred to the candidate from one or more elected candidates is 7 If no candidate has a number of votes equal to or greater than the minimum number of votes needed to be elected the candidate with the smallest number of

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  • STV - Know more before you vote
    reducing accountability for other parts of the constituency In city constituencies like Vancouver the majority of MLAs may come from one part of the city In Vancouver municipal elections the west side of the city has elected the vast majority of city councilors because west side residents vote in higher numbers than east side residents STV supporters say local representation is very good in Ireland under STV What s the difference with BC BC and Ireland are quite different geographically with BC many times larger However Ireland s population is very close to BC s 4 million people and they have 166 representatives in their parliament called the Dail while in BC we will have just 85 MLAs in our Legislature That means tiny Ireland has double the number of elected representatives as huge BC for roughly the same number of people Inevitably with huge ridings and few MLAs parts of BC would likely lose local representation In some areas it is possible that no local candidate would be elected as an MLA removing local representation completely Does STV give proportional results That is if a party gets 10 of the popular vote in B C would it win 10 of the seats No STV supporters say it is more proportional than FPTP but there is no guarantee that seats won will correspond with popular vote Proportional representation electoral systems such as List PR are designed to ensure such proportionality not STV If a party got 10 of the vote under STV it would be unlikely to win a seat in any constituency in BC Look again at the example of a constituency of 100 000 voters electing three members the number of votes needed to win is 25 001 which means that a party would need at least 25 support to win one seat of the three Are MLAs elected with equal levels of support under STV No Proponents say because STV it is more proportional overall if is a fairer system But a candidate in a two member riding in northern BC can get elected with 33 3 public support while a Capital Region candidate can get elected with just 12 5 of the votes cast This means some MLAs have had to win far more support than others to be elected to the BC Legislature Does STV allow independent candidates to win seats Not necessarily Malta has used STV since 1921 but since 1950 not a single independent candidate has been elected Any candidate requires significant funding to win election and with STV the constituencies will be much bigger forcing candidates to raise even more money In a six member constituency as proposed for the west side of Vancouver major parties will likely spend 1 million or more in that constituency campaign alone an amount no independent candidate could possibly raise Would smaller third parties be elected under an STV system Not necessarily In Malta which has had STV since 1921 there are only two parties with

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  • STV - Know more before you vote
    12 5 population 345 164 Equimalt Royal Roads 68 47 961 Juan de Fuca 2 736 43 376 Oak Bay Gordon Head 322 48 953 Saanich North and the Islands 1 543 55 201 Saanich South 92 49 430 Victoria Beacon Hill 98 50 939 Victoria Swan Lake 18 49 304 Cariboo Thompson 5 MLAs to be elected but only One Vote per Voter required to elect ONLY 16 7 population 194 013 Cariboo Chilcotin 43 295 30 385 Cariboo North 39 838 31 805 Fraser Nicola 33 792 31 049 Kamloops North Thompson 21 625 49 769 Kamloops South Thompson 2 384 51 005 Columbia Kootenay 4 MLAs to be elected but only One Vote per Voter required to elect ONLY 20 0 population 144 827 Columbia River Revelstoke 39 714 32 513 Kootenay East 11 172 37 718 Kootenay West 12 016 39 713 Nelson Creston 13 220 34 883 Fraser Valley East 5 MLAs to be elected but only One Vote per Voter required to elect ONLY 16 7 population 241 180 Abbotsford Mission 663 49 731 Abbotsford South 211 49 590 Abbotsford West 105 48 541 Chilliwack 146 49 338 Chilliwack Hope 10 833 43 980 Fraser Valley West 4 MLAs to be elected but only One Vote per Voter required to elect ONLY 20 0 population 218 527 Fort Langley Aldergrove 234 59 050 Langley 95 58 808 Maple Ridge Mission 390 50 195 Maple Ridge Pitt Meadows 1 945 50 474 Mid Island 4 MLAs to be elected but only One Vote per Voter required to elect ONLY 20 0 population 204 308 Cowichan Valley 1 682 55 040 Nanaimo 462 50 854 Nanaimo North Cowichan 2 720 49 402 Parksville Qualicum 959 49 012 North Centra l 3 MLAs to be elected but only One Vote per Voter required to elect ONLY 25 0 population 130 507 Nechako Lakes 73 757 26 436 Prince George Mackenzie 20 361 45 379 Prince George Valemount 31 539 46 885 North Island South Coast 4 MLAs to be elected but only One Vote per Voter required to elect ONLY 20 0 population 202 520 Alberni Pacific Rim 13 141 42 275 Comox Valley 2 493 59 482 North Island 45 074 53 662 Powell River Sunshine Coast 20 979 47 101 North Shore Sea to Sky 4 MLAs to be elected but only One Vote per Voter required to elect ONLY 20 0 population 210 163 North Vancouver Lonsdale 27 53 642 North Vancouver Seymour 396 52 203 West Vancouver Capilano 80 55 157 West Vancouver Sea to Sky 9 642 49 161 Northeast 2 MLAs to be elected but only One Vote per Voter required to elect ONLY 33 3 population 64 411 Peace River North 175 808 38 485 Peace River South 30 340 25 926 Northwest 3 MLAs to be elected but only One Vote per Voter required to elect ONLY 25 0 population 73 638 North Coast 143 922 23 135 Skeena

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  • STV - Know more before you vote
    t the Australian lower house adopted STV since Australians are presumably familiar with the system Australia has 6 states and two territories Why have 5 of Australia s states refused to adopt STV Do they know something British Columbians including members of the former Citizens Assembly don t know Perhaps the answer is they know too much Understanding STV can be a reason for rejecting it as an alternative to our current system STV has been in use in Ireland for over 80 years Despite its use one party Fianna Fáil has formed the government in all but 19 years since 1932 From 1932 to 1989 it formed a majority government after all but 5 elections Since 1989 it has been the major party in 7 coalition governments failing to form government only from 1994 97 It is currently government in coalition with the 6 Greens and 2 Progressive Democrats Canadians recently reacted strongly against the idea of a coalition government In Malta since 1966 only two parties have succeeded in electing candidates In 1981 1987 1996 and 2008 a major party received a smaller percentage of seats than its percentage of the vote That prompted a constitutional crisis in 1981 when the party that formed government received more seats than its vote A constitutional amendment was then adopted to add extra seats if the results were so disproportional so as to change which party formed the government hence four extra seats were added after the election in 1987 1996 and 2008 BC STV supporters maintain that such a distortion would not occur and the Citizens Assembly recommendation of BC STV makes no provision for it Tasmania elects 25 representatives 5 from each of 5 electoral areas but its population is only 497 312 If BC had the same number

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  • STV - Know more before you vote
    Answers Electoral Areas STV in Reality A Day in the Life of Ireland s Dail hockey analogy What You Can Do News Links A Day in Ireland s Dail for those who think STV makes a difference About Us Mail

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  • STV - Know more before you vote
    province In British Columbia as also in other provinces and nationally such electoral outcomes have occurred The basic fact which these critics fail to understand is that under present electoral laws as would also be the case if STV were practiced there is no province wide vote for any candidates Elections under the present law as would also be the case under STV rules are elections for local candidates whether in single member or multi member ridings not for provincial parties At present in BC and across Canada the winning party is always the party which elects the most members Accordingly wrong parties never win The fact that sometimes some winning candidates for a losing party pile up large local majorities and thus produce a high province wide vote total for a losing party does not alter that fact Whether winning candidates win by a few votes or by a huge margin does not alter the number of seats won or the fairness of the electoral results Let us consider a hockey analogy particularly one which involves the Stanley cup play off series Here are the scores for a play off series between the Canucks and the Toronto Maple Leafs Note the number of goals in each game Game Canucks Maple Leafs 1 2 1 2 3 2 3 1 4 4 2 6 5 4 3 6 0 3 7 2 1 Total number of goals 14 20 Total number of wins 4 3 With four wins by Vancouver compared to three wins by Toronto Vancouver has won the Stanley Cup But our adamant STV advocates would argue the point vigorously Not fair they would shout Toronto had more goals The Maple Leafs had twenty and the Canucks only fourteen They would be correct in counting goals but fundamentally

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  • STV - Know more before you vote
    British Columbia who is eligible to vote can join the No BC STV Campaign Society by writing or emailing the Secretary nostv shaw ca with the applicant s name address and phone or email All eligible applicants shall be accepted as members upon receipt of their request Please send an email requesting to be a member include your name address and phone number The Society is incorporated under the BC Society Act The bylaws of the Society are Schedule B of that Act Make a much appreciated financial contribution to No BC STV Campaign Society The Society is not a charity and no tax deductible receipts can be issued But you will have our thanks Donated funds will be used to cover expenses not included in the public funding The referendum regulation provides restrictions and says 6 A member of the opponent group or the proponent group must not use public money except to do one or more of the following a to produce or sponsor and make available to the public in any manner but without charge to the public i information or advertising by means of print or electronic media of any kind or ii materials that include printed information or advertising but not to incur a capital expense b to hold or sponsor an event that any member of the public may attend without charge but not to incur a capital expense c to fund or recover administrative expenses incurred in relation to an activity referred to in paragraph a or b Please send your cheque or money order Sorry we cannot accept credit card donations at this time to No BC STV Campaign Society c o Suite 207 1600 West Sixth Ave Vancouver BC V6J 1R3 Request a NO STV speaker for a public event in

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  • STV - Know more before you vote
    No STV President A further 3 were not voting and 14 were undecided But STV needs to obtain 60 support from voters in order to replace FPTP under referendum rules established by the government Tieleman said We are cautiously optimistic that as British Columbians carefully examine the complicated STV electoral system they will find that STV s giant ridings take away local accountability and responsibility of MLAs to voters Tieleman said But we do not underestimate the possibility that STV could pass if not enough voters understand the serious problems it would create for our province The Ipsos Reid poll of 800 British Columbians was conducted by telephone from March 24 to 30 Tieleman said No STV Secretary Treasurer David Schreck said it is still hard to predict what might happen in the referendum vote taking place concurrently with the provincial election because 31 of voters who lean one way or the other say they are likely to change their minds and vote for another option on May 12 When the 14 who are undecided are added it means many voters haven t firmed up their position We are urging all voters to question a STV system that fractionalizes your single vote in such a way that you may never know where your vote actually went or how much of it counted for any candidate Schreck said When STV could be in place for the next three elections starting in 2013 it makes the referendum a very serious matter Schreck said that the poll shows 76 of respondents feel the current First Past The Post electoral system is very or somewhat fair and that 71 are very or somewhat satisfied with the range of choices of parties and candidates available to vote for under this system No STV believes that

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