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  • Biomass Briquette Press - Open Source Ecology Forums
    Here is a picture of the cowdung house with the cow dung briquettes seen in Brod Kosovo http en wikipedia org wiki Brod Kosovo http commons wikimedia org wiki File Arianit Brod image151 jpg Vote Up 0 Vote Down 4ndy October 2012 Permalink A very simple type of machine that can be used for this is the ceta cinva ram a small lever operated machine which while typically fabricated out of welded plate steel for CEB could probably work in aluminium or even plastic with steel joints and fasteners for some biomass briquettes due to the lower compression required When I get round to it I might draw up a 3D printable version which could then be cast in metal if need be unless someone else wants to hit that first Vote Up 0 Vote Down h4ck3rm1k3 October 2012 Permalink oh nice that looks very simple thanks Well i just wonder what the minimum amount of pressure needed is and what types of levers are needed Anyone have the math Vote Up 0 Vote Down Beluga October 2012 Permalink An open source lever operated CEB press design is available from OSRLiving http www osrliving org wiki index php title Manual CEB Press It has been built by some British guys http openeland org 2012 10 open e land summer camp 2012 review http openeland org 2012 08 our first compressed earth brick http openeland org ceb press The OSRLiving forum is currently down unfortunately but here is the cached thread I m not sure if Metz also managed to build one Vote Up 0 Vote Down 4ndy October 2012 Permalink wonder what the minimum amount of pressure needed is depends what you re compressing of course and how fast you want the blocks to burn Chopped hay doesn t need a very rigid machine to squash it but some other biomass might require all metal parts It ll probably be easy to define how much pressure a lever can exert before it warps or breaks but figuring out requirements for biomass of different consistencies is probably a bit complicated and if I had the option I d probably just build a multipurpose all steel CEB press like theirs that would be overkill for the likes of sawdust and bullshit Beluga thanks for the link seems I ve read their design before but forgotten about it sad that it s all in inches Vote Up 0 Vote Down h4ck3rm1k3 October 2012 Permalink and how much pressure do we need for CEB Do we really need 4000 psi hydraulics the suppliers say that it might be too much and 3k might be enought anyone have experience with that mike Vote Up 0 Vote Down charliehill April 2015 Permalink here is the procee flow of briquetting press maybe it is what you need it could process coal charcoal gypsum quick lime etc Add a Comment Howdy Stranger It looks like you re new here If you want to get involved click one of

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  • charliehill - Open Source Ecology Forums
    Discussion 357 Introductions 145 GVCS Development 43 GVCS Replication 14 Similar Projects Partnerships and Open Culture 53 In the News 14 Education 15 Food 18 Energy 42 Health 2 Sustainable Architecture 21 Transportation 10 Household 6 IT Web Infrastructure 110 Shared Personal Notes 1 New Communities 10 Other Languages 3 Discussões em Português 20 Ecovilas 2 Discussions en Français 2 Обсуждения в Россию 1 Discusiones en Español 5 Discussioni in

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  • Interesting Steam Engine Project - Open Source Ecology Forums
    be doing it effortlessly We should work with this guy this is definitely relevant to our work on the modern steam engine The uniflow design constitutes a modern design This one appears to have a bump valve assisted by a solenoid for timing I would like to see if this works with larger scale models where heat would be an issue for the solenoid Add a Comment Howdy Stranger It looks like you re new here If you want to get involved click one of these buttons Sign In Apply for Membership Categories All Discussions 1 013 General Discussion 895 Introductions 145 GVCS Development 43 GVCS Replication 14 Similar Projects Partnerships and Open Culture 53 In the News 14 Education 15 Food 18 Energy 42 Health 2 Sustainable Architecture 21 Transportation 10 Household 6 IT Web Infrastructure 110 Shared Personal Notes 1 New Communities 10 Other Languages 34 Project Management 4 Proposal and Development Status 10 Organizational Development 26 Team Logs 4 OSE Core Team 1 OSE IT Core Team 2 OSE Collaboration Platform Core Team 6 Resource Development 3 GVCS Technical Development 52 Open Source Car 10 Open Source Tractor 1 Gasifier Burner 1 CNC Torch Table 5 Agricultural Microcombine 4 Dimensional Sawmill 1 Documentation and Instructionals 18 OSE Dev 0 Trucktor 0 Microtrac 0 CNC Router 0 CNC Torch Table 0 Bulldozer 0 Backhoe 0 Car 0 3D Printer 0 3D Printer Laser Diode 0 Tractor 0 Powercube 0 Brick Press Controller 0 In this Discussion Marcin February 2015 Loading Open Source Ecology Forums Discussions All Categories General Discussion 357 Introductions 145 GVCS Development 43 GVCS Replication 14 Similar Projects Partnerships and Open Culture 53 In the News 14 Education 15 Food 18 Energy 42 Health 2 Sustainable Architecture 21 Transportation 10 Household 6 IT Web Infrastructure 110

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  • New Solar Steam Power Configuration - Open Source Ecology Forums
    Comments sorted by Votes Date Added Vote Up 0 Vote Down roleic February 2014 Permalink Are the cheapeer propane tanks also rated for the higher temperatures of a steam accumulator I guess that propane is not supposed to heat up to such high temperatures Vote Up 0 Vote Down roleic February 2014 Permalink Vote Up 0 Vote Down MarkG February 2014 Permalink I m only sharing the info I suggest you contact Terrajoule with questions In any case a somewhat lower pressure and temp could be used in the storage vessel More important is that overall cycle efficiency is not adversely affected by this configuration as the energy that would otherwise be used to support full expansion in the engine when high pressure steam is available during the day is stored for later use at night or during inclement weather NOTE I believe the storage vessel pressure is lower than I suggested before One reference I saw suggested on the order of 100 psig saturated water This actually makes a lot more sense as the pressure on expanding through the first stage of the engine would be a lot lower than 250 psig However again I recommend contacting Terrajoule for specifics Add a Comment Howdy Stranger It looks like you re new here If you want to get involved click one of these buttons Sign In Apply for Membership Categories All Discussions 1 013 General Discussion 895 Introductions 145 GVCS Development 43 GVCS Replication 14 Similar Projects Partnerships and Open Culture 53 In the News 14 Education 15 Food 18 Energy 42 Health 2 Sustainable Architecture 21 Transportation 10 Household 6 IT Web Infrastructure 110 Shared Personal Notes 1 New Communities 10 Other Languages 34 Project Management 4 Proposal and Development Status 10 Organizational Development 26 Team Logs 4 OSE

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  • Steam Engine - Open Source Ecology Forums
    technology to convert sunlight to sustainable energy solar wind biomass water others to process the abundant dirt and twigs under our feet into the substance of modern civilization Your concept is certainly valid but the specific means to accomplish it of course depends on what avenues OSE finally chooses to follow in regards to energy collection generation distribution For instance instead of using a dual system of oil and an OCR which is somewhat complicated there is a proven option to just use air which provides for exactly the low temperature thermal system you seem to be after The fullest expression of this concept is the liquid air system referenced although not discussed in this Energy section by Beluga This is not new technology but rather can be traced back to the 1890s when air was first liquefied by Linde I believe and in a few years Germany had a huge industrial stockpile of liquefied air that supposedly no one understood the reason for Today of course large liquid air based electrical generation facilities have been the focus of much construction activity supposedly as grid backup installations The minimal press coverage this activity has received is related to the fact that they are efficient durable scalable environmental energy extraction plants If the public ever understood exactly what that means then the old tired argument against compressed air power systems being nonviable because the heat of compression is always lost and that the air freezes when released from the pressure vessels would die the idiotic death it deserves For instance lets say that in your scenario instead of using an OCR for heat recovery from a steam engine a system is implemented using a compressed air power system To generate power the expansion engine of your choice is set between the great out doors and the compressed air tanks Up stream of the engine is a heat exchanger through which the hot air produced by the waste heat from the steam engine gives up its excess heat to the compressed air which allows it to recoup its pre compression energy The re energized compressed air then powers through the expansion engine without freezing the poor thing allowing it to run a multitude of applications Simple reliable scalable expansion air engines of the basic piston design everyone seems to love can be manufactured at a much lower cost than steam engines and can be used for almost any application Air conditioning and cold storage needs are directly addressed and work shop tools can be compressed air based which is pretty much the norm anyway Passive hot water flat panel systems can be backed up by heat pump air to water heat exchangers And speaking of water the most economical low maintenance dependable DIY water pumping system known is the air lift system which in conjunction with water aeration makes a very desirable package This is all simple proven standard compressed air refrigeration heat pump design minus proprietary exotic refrigeration fluids The sweetener with a low temperature energy collection heat pump system that no other system can match is that the storage vessels themselves not to mention any return lines are un insulated energy collection devices as well Instead of a high temperature energy system subject to continual heat losses a low temperature system collects environmental energy continuously 24 7 Paint it black put it in a green house enclosure and step back If you wish to augment it with flat plate solar collector panels or under ground piping have at it And to top it all off industrial systems don t even use mechanical compressors but rather venturi systems with no moving parts and almost zero maintenance Air like sunlight costs nothing it can t be broken it isn t toxic and our atmosphere is the largest most accessible solar energy storage medium on the planet The question then is what to use for producing the initial energy to power the air compressors to begin with I probably shouldn t give in to humorous impulses but what the hay if it isn t fun why bother Here is another OSE quote All wealth comes from sunlight rocks soil plants and water the abundant feedstocks of modern civilization We are creating an open source toolkit that allows people to convert these resources directly to a modern standard of living at a cost of no more than 2 hours of work per day This is an ultimate standard of human potential OSE Strategic Plan 2 Ambitious htm In the spirit of that vision of excess leisure time and zealous dedicated community members one option could be summed up by a cartoon of two lines of OSE staffers facing each other over extended handles similar to the old fashion see saw like fire department water pumpers The compressor handles are blurred with the flying effort and the caption reads Marcin get your butt down here the induction furnace is coming on line and we need another erg Well if that doesn t get me kicked off the forum nothing will Vote Up 0 Vote Down MarkG March 2013 Permalink ckurtz forgive me for not replying to all your comments but that is a rather daunting task My only purpose in suggesting the aforementioned solar heat engine configuration is that it can achieve a thermal efficiency in the range that OSE has discussed 17 26 net thermal efficiency as I recall engine cycle only with relatively low peak temperatures 500 600F and using existing expander designs that are relatively easy to fabricate Lower peak temperatures will lessen the thermal losses that you heralded before and yours is a good point Old compound steam engines are simple and durable so it s a possibility that should not be casually dismissed Also I emphasize again that thermal efficiency on the engine cycle is not so important as overall costs especially over the long term Again in the stationary setting where heat can be put to productive use then

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  • Health - Open Source Ecology Forums
    new here If you want to get involved click one of these buttons Sign In Apply for Membership Categories All Discussions 1 013 General Discussion 895 Introductions 145 GVCS Development 43 GVCS Replication 14 Similar Projects Partnerships and Open Culture 53 In the News 14 Education 15 Food 18 Energy 42 Health 2 Sustainable Architecture 21 Transportation 10 Household 6 IT Web Infrastructure 110 Shared Personal Notes 1 New Communities 10 Other Languages 34 Project Management 4 Proposal and Development Status 10 Organizational Development 26 Team Logs 4 OSE Core Team 1 OSE IT Core Team 2 OSE Collaboration Platform Core Team 6 Resource Development 3 GVCS Technical Development 52 Open Source Car 10 Open Source Tractor 1 Gasifier Burner 1 CNC Torch Table 5 Agricultural Microcombine 4 Dimensional Sawmill 1 Documentation and Instructionals 18 OSE Dev 0 Trucktor 0 Microtrac 0 CNC Router 0 CNC Torch Table 0 Bulldozer 0 Backhoe 0 Car 0 3D Printer 0 3D Printer Laser Diode 0 Tractor 0 Powercube 0 Brick Press Controller 0 Popular Tags wiki 27 ceb 21 solar 18 gvcs 17 energy 15 cad 14 water 11 cnc 11 3d 10 software 8 introduction 8 christian 8 community 7 collaboration 7 open source 7 forum 7 wind 7 development 6 ose 6 design 6 documentation 6 questions 6 error 5 search 5 Loading Open Source Ecology Forums Discussions All Categories General Discussion 357 Introductions 145 GVCS Development 43 GVCS Replication 14 Similar Projects Partnerships and Open Culture 53 In the News 14 Education 15 Food 18 Energy 42 Health 2 Sustainable Architecture 21 Transportation 10 Household 6 IT Web Infrastructure 110 Shared Personal Notes 1 New Communities 10 Other Languages 3 Discussões em Português 20 Ecovilas 2 Discussions en Français 2 Обсуждения в Россию 1 Discusiones en Español 5 Discussioni

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  • Health Costs - What Can Be Done? - Open Source Ecology Forums
    am wary of using anything that will kill me as a medicine I have personally concluded that a very diverse diet that is light in grains and meats is pretty solid I have always believed in the saying that An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure My present prevention is eating well exercising and perhaps most importantly being young Vote Up 0 Vote Down mjn July 2011 Permalink Well I m right there with you eating well and exercising Being young is escaping my grasp however Sigh Mark Vote Up 0 Vote Down gregor July 2011 Permalink Lookup Aubrey degray Being and staying young is not nearly as far out of our grasp as we think If you want to cure heart disease cancer diabetes arthritis and what costs society 90 of what we spend on health care all in one go cure aging Bizarrely some people indeed most people don t understand this and many even object to the idea of curing this devastating thing Vote Up 0 Vote Down mjn July 2011 Permalink http en wikipedia org wiki Aubrey de Gray Vote Up 0 Vote Down Conor July 2011 Permalink Cancer heart disease stroke diabetes and most but not all of the symptoms of aging frailty loss of bone mass and muscle mass macular degeneration cognitive decline etc are preventable using the knowledge we already have Prevention is a lot cheaper than cure Life weights Run Take supplements judiciously Eat loads of vegetables Eat mushrooms Laugh Meditate Learn Not only does it make you feel terrific you save yourself tens of thousands in healthcare Vote Up 0 Vote Down ARGHaynes July 2011 Permalink I just had a conversation with a friend where I explained to him that shoes are the cause of a variety of problems seen most profoundly with women and high heels because they force the foot gait into something different than bodily design To that effect I think it is a globalized truth that being aware of the function of the body and being true to it will prolong health For example the human body seems to be designed for a very diverse and plant rich diet so pursuing that type of diet will probably be a good idea Vote Up 0 Vote Down Anthonyrepetto July 2011 Permalink Oh sweet I m all about herbalism and I ve been troubled by the medical establishment for a while There are two main avenues to affordable healthcare as I see it local plant medicine and local general practice diagnostics with specialists in major cities Over 95 of the pharma industry compounds are plant derivatives There s no need to guess if you simply look at what they were extracting from which plant Use solubility separation distillation and the like to extract the compound you want The extraction of essential oils and mineral salts into alcoholic solvent was the ancient practice of spagyrics a branch of alchemy Medicinal plants are also some of the highest value outputs you can get Invest equivalent energy and materials making an iPhone as you do in a crop of medicinal herbs and the herbs will sell for more That means a seed is better at producing value than our best modern factories Providing medicines for an OSE style 200 person village would only require a tiny plot of herbs and not a whole lot of work in extractions once the capital was set up Local glass blowers make alchemy labs cheap The difference is while herbalism can prevent exposure and worsening conditions once something gets bad herbs won t cut it We do need some bone setting and periodically a little surgery As a whole we ve become so obsessed with life changing procedures that it seemed like a good thing when we came up with face transplants But honestly that stuff is expensive How many malaria victims could have been treated with the cash from one face transplant There s a strict avoidance in the AMA run medical world of anything close to medical accounting It s simple to ask for each way that we could spend this 1 how much benefit statistically would be provided Cost effectiveness isn t even considered so it s no wonder that medical costs rise and health deteriorates The solution is obvious we have to track the improvement to quality of life for each medical action and assign treatment based on rate of return Return is in Happiness Years per dollar not that you set a dollar value to a year of healthy happiness Instead this gives you a common unit Hap Yr Dollar that you can use to compare treatments This isn t a price on human life it s just a way to accurately allocate resources between life saving methods That means more lives saved Consider how things go at the doctor s office you sign in answer the receptionist s questions which they record and then wait You re taken to a room where a nurse asks the same questions then you wait A doctor arrives asks the same questions then swabs your tongue and packages it for the lab technician to test later You leave and return in a few days repeat the process and find that their solution is to offer you an expensive pill filled with a compound found in an abundant weed We pay these people for their skills but they aren t being utilized effectively A doctor who specializes in a diagnostic field parasite pathology could be contacted and a special visit held after they d reviewed your file only answer once online If you don t need a specialist or emergency life saving that d be the surgery ER guys we still need them then just call up your local herbalist nurse They do basic diagnostics common colds ailments pediatric and geriatric regulars and routing to specialists Local training seminars let you get certification in a year or two without memorizing all the names of the bones in your hand or pulling 16 hour shifts as an intern Too bad the AMA and Surgeon General would never let it happen it d mean the death of their industry If the music execs could have gotten Napster before it formed they would have AMA has a lock on medicine here in the states and they kow tow to pharma and insurance It creates a lot of pressure for an underground which might not be bad because a distributed underground could break pharma patents without risk of litigation It looks really bad when a pharmaceutical company sues a midwife for extracting their patent from the plants she grew Vote Up 0 Vote Down mjn July 2011 Permalink We have a local resource that my wife and I are taking advantage of The Farmer s Museum is a recreation New York village of the mid 1800 s Situated in Cooperstown NY widely known for a different museum somethings sports related I think the Farmer s Museum is about a 2 5 hour drive from where we live We were so thrilled with it when we first visited early this year that we signed up as full members Like many re creation villages this has a blacksmith shop animals homes you can poke around in etc However it also has a period apothecary run by a guy with a PhD in Historical Pharmacy He is not only knowledgeable in herbalism but demonstrates the processes We are attending a workshop on medicinal plants next week When we were there the first time he recommended a book called The 1850 Cyclopedia of 6000 Practical Receipts We looked for this and unfortunately didn t find it on Google Books It contains recipes for commonly used drugs many still in use today Most of these recipes are done with commonly available chemicals and plant material It could be a gold mine for our purposes As I mentioned in other posts above the challenge to us is to sort out the snake oil from proven drug therapies Pharmacists in the 1800 s routinely made compounds from lead cadmium etc that did far more harm that good Some of this will be obvious to us but many most will not be It requires us to become more knowledgeable in medicine especially concerning common ailments like colds flu minor infections and the like This includes making diagnoses as well as treatment and possible side effects It is time for a revolution though perhaps a very quiet one We can take responsibility for our health into our own hands and live better lives Mark Vote Up 0 Vote Down Anthonyrepetto July 2011 Permalink mjn Yeah the old books on pharmacology are pretty sweet The distinction I was making was between plant extractions and their peculiar mineral medicine calomel and the like were mineral and metal compounds and metal oxides are notoriously sickening As long as you re careful about plant solvents and distillation temperatures plants are actually very safe and definitely not snake oil Vote Up 0 Vote Down Dawg July 2011 Permalink mjn Mark you and your wife are definitely on the right track here In particular if you do find a source for that book please share it with us Herbalism is a direct way to earn income while heading into a free lifestyle I wish I knew more about it I would be very interested in talking more about marketable substances derived from plants that could be home grown I may not know much about the plants but I am surely capable of designing and building some sort of apparatus to do the extractions efficiently Additionally there must be groups somewhere doing this already So many interests only one life The Dawg Vote Up 0 Vote Down mjn July 2011 Permalink dawg There is certainly a lot of interest in herbalism Web sites abound as do books You could perhaps turn it into a home business but more than just growing and extracting herbals you need to market them That might be the bigger challenge Our view is a bit different If you go back to ye olde tymes there was a still house in most large manor homes The still house often a room in the basement was were herbs and other medicines were processed This is a bit closer to what we have in mind a return to the notion that you just keep certain things on hand for emergencies and sickness Naturally shelf life varies quite a bit so some things need to be harvested and stored annually Some skills need to be learned and practiced the spagyric techniques than Anthony mentioned is among them I ve done some of this already and plan to do more Mark Vote Up 0 Vote Down Sweeney July 2011 Permalink Diet diet diet The Standard American Diet is responsible for the vast majority of our health problems I think the paleo food movement has a lot to offer to the world The institutionalized misunderstanding of dietary fat and the stranglehold that the BigFarm lobby has over the discussion is not helping the situation Vote Up 0 Vote Down mjn July 2011 Permalink Sweeney Yes diet is a big problem in the U S not so much elsewhere Fortunately there is something you can do about it personally Start shopping for fresh foods and prepare them yourself Ideally find a farmer s market in your community Get to know them Join a CSA Community Supported Agriculture they supply food shares once a week Cooking your own food does several things 1 You tend to make what you like so you enjoy food more 2 You get to control the portion sizes 3 You get to control what goes into it less butter salt etc 4 It tends to avoid artificial preservatives etc As you start to eat better you ll lose some weight To lose more add exercise Some CSA s have a work share program which mean that you can work on their farm and get a reduced rate on fresh food Besides healthy exercise it gets you out into the air and meet new people Mark PS You can also make yourself nice wholesome nutritious lunches to eat in that dull drab grey cubicle in that large monolithic office building Vote Up 0 Vote Down Sweeney July 2011 Permalink Mark No doubt I was lucky to have been introduced to evolutionary nutrition a couple of years ago Unfortunately being locked in the office all day makes it hard to stave off the side effects of living a sedentary lifestyle I was an athlete in high school and college I had worked hard manual labor up until entering the Corporate world It has been a real shock to see what the office worker lifestyle can do to one s health in such short time I ve adjusted a few habits to make things more tolerable including diet and sleep Good call on the work share program That is something I could see myself enjoying Vote Up 0 Vote Down mjn July 2011 Permalink Regarding earlier remarks concerning old pharmaceutical books I have come across Principles of Pharmacy as a free Google book It s a bit better than earlier books this from 1915 or so but is largely focused on the method to produce various drug forms Some description of medical properties ie treatments are included This is a very long detailed book on the production of drugs in a small lab There is an interesting description of various sugars on pg 628 Also a discussion of Digitalis per references above on pg 643 As with all old medical books I urge great caution in using any of this information for treatment of medical conditions You should consult a medical professional before making or using any medical substances for treatment Mark Vote Up 0 Vote Down Howard V Agnew September 2011 Permalink Alternative remedies and the like only go so far honestly and they won t deal with stuff like getting injured I am sure the GVCS guys are making the machines as safe as possible but still when you are dealing with that much power something can go wrong or a natural disaster could strike then what Good diet and exercise is important but would have absolutely no effect on this Natural remedies won t help when you need surgery The out of control corporate greed in health care isn t just making health care unaffordable its costing lives The Harvard School of Medicine conducted a medical research study a few years ago I think it was in 2008 I can t remember exactly to figure out what the effects are of American citizens lacking adequate health coverage and their conclusion was appalling 45 000 American citizens die every single year from medically preventable causes because they lack access to regular medical care That is to say they die because of conditions which had become untreatable by the time they were forced to seek treatment if they lived to actually try to seek treatment at all but statistically would not have died if they had regular access to medical care regular visits to a doctor The results of this study were posted to Congress and clearly was promptly ignored by enough of them to continue obstructing universal health care Canadian citizens don t die because they can t afford to see a doctor regularly nor British Swedish nor Japanese citizens nor citizens of any industrialized nation except the United States How many trillions of dollars have we spent on the war on terror for tragic as it truly was the 3 000 lives lost on 9 11 That was one event There s a 9 11 death toll 15 times every year that s more than one every month due essentially to political neglect 45 000 deaths per year closely rivals traffic fatalities also appalling I believe somewhere around 48 000 deaths per year Traffic fatalities too could be reduced a bit through investment in the U S infrastructure though not to the degree the deaths from lacking health coverage could be alleviated In 2007 37 HMO CEOs received 90 million apiece in compensation Its easy to fill slightly flustered at ridiculous CEO compensation but move on but think on that 90 million apiece That s a lot it may fluster you but when you really think on it you realize that s 90 million paid by people needing health care not getting health care For every dollar paid to Medicare or Medicaid 97 cents goes to actual health care hospitalizations doctor visits medicines etc For every dollar paid to an HMO on average only 70 cents goes to actual health care the rest is eaten by such overhead as obscenely high HMO executive compensation Profit and wealth in HMOs is inefficiency in terms of dollars going into health care to actual health care produced Health is important Certainly living a disciplined lifestyle with good diet and exercise can reduce your risk but cannot eliminate health risks nor the importance of regular medical checkups and care nor can alternative medicines Unfortunately health care is one critical aspect of life I have no idea how Open Source Ecology could deal with in nations like the United States that lack adequate health care systems I really can t see how anyone could accept the Harvard School of Medicine s research study as being valid and continue to maintain that the U S for profit health care system works for America the only thing it works for is HMO CEO pay and while I m all for letting people who earn wealth keep it I draw the line when that comes with a large death toll There s no getting around it I m afraid Anyone who thinks the lives of 45 000 American citizens are more important than maximizing the personal fortunes of

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  • Physiotherapy Machines that make Money and Educate - Open Source Ecology Forums
    buttons Sign In Apply for Membership Categories All Discussions 1 013 General Discussion 895 Introductions 145 GVCS Development 43 GVCS Replication 14 Similar Projects Partnerships and Open Culture 53 In the News 14 Education 15 Food 18 Energy 42 Health 2 Sustainable Architecture 21 Transportation 10 Household 6 IT Web Infrastructure 110 Shared Personal Notes 1 New Communities 10 Other Languages 34 Project Management 4 Proposal and Development Status 10 Organizational Development 26 Team Logs 4 OSE Core Team 1 OSE IT Core Team 2 OSE Collaboration Platform Core Team 6 Resource Development 3 GVCS Technical Development 52 Open Source Car 10 Open Source Tractor 1 Gasifier Burner 1 CNC Torch Table 5 Agricultural Microcombine 4 Dimensional Sawmill 1 Documentation and Instructionals 18 OSE Dev 0 Trucktor 0 Microtrac 0 CNC Router 0 CNC Torch Table 0 Bulldozer 0 Backhoe 0 Car 0 3D Printer 0 3D Printer Laser Diode 0 Tractor 0 Powercube 0 Brick Press Controller 0 Loading Open Source Ecology Forums Discussions All Categories General Discussion 357 Introductions 145 GVCS Development 43 GVCS Replication 14 Similar Projects Partnerships and Open Culture 53 In the News 14 Education 15 Food 18 Energy 42 Health 2 Sustainable Architecture 21

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