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    and mute as stones our very passivity would be an act Jean Paul Sartre Reply With Quote 07 09 2014 08 53 PM 4 Shaadi View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Oct 2011 Posts 3 129 Waterford Originally Posted by jmcc There s a possible FF seat in Waterford but there isn t an FF candidate It could be another Independent seat rather than an FF one I think that Labour only has a single member on the council so Labour has been all but eradicated in Waterford Somehow there is a possiblity that the Greens will pick up some of the Labour FF floating vote the Euros had the Greens doing a lot better than expected The Euros and the Locals might also be a precursor to FG doing worse than expected in urban areas Regards jmcc FF secured 8 612 19 3 first preference in the locals in Waterford a quota is 20 in Waterford and the last seat in 2011 went to 9 818 They re fairly sure of picking up enough transfers especially with a far greater turnout in a GE They also had 46 7 of the vote in the 2007 GE here so it s not like it s an anti FF stronghold With the Independents taking 32 in the Locals here they d have a mountain to climb to get 2 quotas 40 on transfers their own transfers will go all over the place FG had a GE quota here in the Locals so they re safe and LAB bombed while SF had 65 of a GE quota and 14 4 of the local vote here which should see them home in a GE where there won t be as much competition from Inds and where Lab are gone Halligan s seat is safe enough if he runs Last edited by Shaadi 08 09 2014 at 11 40 PM Reply With Quote 07 09 2014 09 21 PM 5 Shaadi View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Oct 2011 Posts 3 129 Re Next General Election Originally Posted by C Flower Would you like this thread to go into the Opinion Polls thread or into a new subforum for the next General Election That s a good question I don t really mind the opinion poll forum would be fine A new Next General Election sub forum would a bit much for one thread but the GE is coming around fairly quickly and other GE 2015 2016 topics could be thrown into the sub forum as they crop up Reply With Quote 07 09 2014 09 30 PM 6 jmcc View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Mar 2010 Posts 2 438 Re Next General Election Originally Posted by Shaadi FF secured 8 612 19 3 first preference in the locals in Waterford a quota is 20 in Waterford and the last seat in 2011 went to 9 818 They re fairly sure of picking up enough transfers especially with a far greater turnout in a GE They also had 46 7 of the vote in the 2007 GE here so it s not like it s an anti FF stronghold It is the political changes and candidate issue that will cause problems for FF here FF had Keneally an inherited seat and Cullen With Cullen out of the way it was left to Keneally and he lost it But there was a move I think to try getting one of his cousins on the council with a possible GE run in the future but that failed and while FF got obliterated in the city council Gary Wyse a first timer won a seat Unfortunately poor Gary died recently but FF ran his son in the Locals and he got a seat The interesting aspect in this is that FF lost some of the clientist Keneally support Candidate selection is going to be very important for FF in the next GE and what could happen is that some Independent FF genepool candidate could take votes away from FF On those figures Paudie Coffey s seat could be in danger whereas John Deasy s local support could get him through With the Independents taking 32 in the Locals here they d have a mountain to climb to get 2 quotas 40 on transfers their own transfers will go all over the place The splits are going to be interesting FG had a GE quota here in the Locals so they re safe and LAB bombed while SF had 65 of a GE quota and 14 4 of the local vote here which should see them home in a GE where there won t be as much competition from Inds and where Lab are gone Halligan s seat is safe enough if he runs The indications of what was about to happen to Labour were apparent up to a year before the election Labour support was collapsing then I think that some Labour candidates were not even knocking on doors in the Locals as they realised that they were history There could be a few wildcards and the Greens Grace O Sullivan did quite well in the Euros If her Euro vote in Waterford could be turned into some kind of momentum then the floating FF Labour vote that does not shift to FF might shift to the Greens as a more acceptable center Left option One of the big problems that the Greens had in Waterford was the student politics level of some of its candidates and that denied it an easy seat on the city council for years The big change in the Locals was seeing SF do so well in some Middle Class areas Interestingly a former FG mayor and GE candidate also failed to be reelected in the Locals so there s a possible resentment trend against FG in the city that could harden over the next few months There s a lot of anger against FF as a party but there s also an acknowledgement that Cullen was good for Waterford but unless FF gets a good candidate FF will not be able to capitalise on it Regards jmcc Reply With Quote 07 09 2014 09 54 PM 7 Ogiol View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Nov 2011 Posts 1 410 Re Next General Election In Donegal I think FF will get 2 seats at the expense of IND Pringle They cleaned up in the locals and their probable candidates have good geography Depressing I know Reply With Quote 07 09 2014 10 39 PM 8 C Flower View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Administrator Join Date Feb 2010 Location Rockall Posts 74 918 Re Next General Election Originally Posted by Shaadi Connacht Ulster Donegal 5 2 SF 1 IND 1 FG 1 FF Cavan Monaghan 4 2 SF 1 FF 1 FG Sligo Leitrim 4 2 FF 1 SF 1 FG Galway West 5 1 FF 1 FG 1 SF 2 IND Galway East 3 1 FG 1 FF 1 Ind Roscommon Galway 3 1 FG 1 FF 1 IND Mayo 4 1 FF 1 SF 2 FG 28 SEATS 8 FG 8 FF 7 SF 5 IND Rest Of Leinster Louth 5 2 SF FF 1 FG1 1 IND Meath East 3 1 SF 1 FF 1 FG Meath West 3 1 SF 1 FF 1 FG Longford Westmeath 4 1 FF 1 FG 1 SF 1 LAB Offaly 3 1 FF 1 SF 1 FG Laois 3 1 FF 1 FG 1 SF Kildare North 4 1 IND 1 FF 1 LAB 1 SF Kildare South 3 1 FG 1 FF 1 LAB Carlow Kilkenny 5 2 FF 1 FG 1 SF 1 LAB Wicklow 5 1 SF 1 FG 1 FF 2 IND Wexford 5 1 SF 1 FF 1 FG 1 LAB 1 IND 43 SEATS 12 FF 11 SF 10 FG 5 IND 5 LAB Munster Tipperary 5 2 IND 1 FF 1 FG 1 SF Clare 4 2 FF 1 FG 1 IND Limerick City 4 FG 2 1 FF 1 SF Limerick 3 1 FG 1 FF 1 IND Kerry 5 2 IND 1 SF 1 FF 1 FG Cork South West 3 1 FG 1 SF 1 FF Cork North West 3 1 FG 1 FF 1 SF Cork North Central 4 1 FF 1 FG 1 SF 1 IND Cork South Central 4 1 SF 2 FF 1 FG Cork East 4 1 FG 1 SF 1 LAB 1 FF Waterford 4 1 FG 1 FF 1 SF 1 IND 43 SEATS 12 FG 12 FF 9 SF 9 IND 1 LAB Dublin Dublin Fingal 5 1 SF 1 FF 1 LAB 1FG 1 IND Dublin West 4 1 SF 1 IND 1 FG 1 LAB Dublin Mid West 4 1 SF 1 IND 1 FG 1 LAB Dublin South West 5 2 SF 1 IND 1 LAB 1 FG Dublin Rathdown 3 1 FG 1 LAB 1 IND Dun Laoighre 4 1 FG 1 FF 1 LAB 1 IND Dublin North West 3 2 SF 1 IND Dublin Bay North 5 1 SF 2 IND 1 FF 1 FG Dublin Central 3 1 FG 1 SF 1 IND Dublin South Central 4 1 SF 1 IND 1 FF 1 LAB Dublin Bay South 4 1 SF 1 IND 1 FG 1 LAB 44 SEATS 12 IND 11 SF 9 FG 8 LAB 4 FF 158 Seats FG 39 SF 38 36 FF 14 LAB 31 IND Paddy Power rough seat projections for over and under betting IND OTHERS Inc Ceann Comhairle 42 FG 44 SF 34 FF 32 Labour 10 Greens 1 I was crunching the numbers from the Locals and Europeans and opinion polls in relation to the next General election as to where the relative changes in support for parties would impact on seat numbers in the next Dail There are a few discrepancies which I m not so sure about where are the Ind Others likely to take seats in constituencies that I m not aware of re a new challenger who s got a serious chance etc Also I ve given SF 2 in Cavan Monaghan and an IND a seat in Louth but I m not so sure that FG or FG won t take those seats instead of them but in the round I ve knocked parties back in a swings and roundabouts way So I d much appreciate it if any of you have local knowledge on any of these constituencies that would help me get a clearer picture of how they are likely to pan out at the next election PS I tried to start this thread in the Elections Forum but couldn t for some reason I ve moved this thread to a new subforum called Forthcoming General Election 2014 2016 How were those numbers arrived at Shaadi That looks like a heck of a close call as thing stand Nothing between the top three potentially leaving a Labour rump to wag the dog if you ll forgive the mixed metaphor We cannot withdraw our cards from the game Were we as silent and mute as stones our very passivity would be an act Jean Paul Sartre Reply With Quote 07 09 2014 10 48 PM 9 Shaadi View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Oct 2011 Posts 3 129 Donegal Originally Posted by Ogiol In Donegal I think FF will get 2 seats at the expense of IND Pringle They cleaned up in the locals and their probable candidates have good geography Depressing I know I understand Pringle had some of his area cut off it would depend on whether he can pick up transfers from elsewhere The good news for him is that there was a bigger vote for INDs 31 up from 21 in 2009 in Donegal in the Locals than there was for FF 29 down from 32 in 2009 FG don t look that healthy here they ve dropped from 27 in the 2009 Locals to 15 in 2014 spread that out at 7 5 between two candidates over a big county and there s no guarantee at all that either candidate will make it to the nearly 17 mark needed for a seat Last edited by Shaadi 08 09 2014 at 11 43 PM Reply With Quote 07 09 2014 11 05 PM 10 TotalMayhem View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Visit Homepage Senior Member Join Date Jul 2010 Location Out of my mind Posts 11 813 Re Next General Election Do we really need a thread for this The next government will be a FF FG coalition But if you want to spend the next 500 pages dwelling in wet fantasies of an imaginary Irish Left and how well it will do in the next GE be my guest I ll get my coat Thus all which you call Sin Destruction in brief Evil that is my true element Reply With Quote 07 09 2014 11 15 PM 11 Ogiol View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Nov 2011 Posts 1 410 Re Next General Election Originally Posted by Shaadi I understand Pringle had some of his area cut off it would depend on whether he can pick up transfers from elsewhere The good news for him is that there was a bigger vote for INDs 31 up from 21 in 2009 in Donegal in the Locals than there was for FF 29 down from 32 in 2009 FG don t look that healthy here they ve dropped from 27 in the 2009 Locals to 15 in 2014 spread that out at 7 5 between two candidates over a big county and there s no guarantee at all that either candidate will make it to the nearly 17 mark needed for a seat The consensus is that Pringle lost so much of his area that he s going to find it hard to get back I have a feeling the last seat will be a dogfight between FF2 and Pringle unless there s an surprising rise in indy votes FG will get their vote out they have a very solid protestant farmer vote as well as elements of the business class and with the prospect of a rising SF that should be enough to mobilise them Reply With Quote 07 09 2014 11 41 PM 12 Shaadi View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Oct 2011 Posts 3 129 Re Next General Election Originally Posted by C Flower I ve moved this thread to a new subforum called Forthcoming General Election 2014 2016 How were those numbers arrived at Shaadi That looks like a heck of a close call as thing stand Nothing between the top three potentially leaving a Labour rump to wag the dog if you ll forgive the mixed metaphor I looked at each constituency result in 2011 and in 2007 which is a little above where FG are at the moment as best I could considering the huge changes in the Dublin constituencies then I took note of momentum and the numbers in the Locals per constituency The likes of SF have basically doubled their 2011 vote while FF haven t recovered in Dublin but are doing well in the South and West For instance even though SF only took 5 121 in both Longford and Westmeath in the locals they took 7 548 15 4 a doubling of their 7 5 vote there in 2011 votes in the same constituency in the by be election the bulk of them in Westmeath where their GE candidate is from leaving them sitting pretty for a seat there in 2016 where the other Athlone based candidates haven t a hope of passing him by and where the FF candidate in the by election lost vote share on the FF 2011 figure even though FF did well in the Locals there SF in Mayo looks like my daftest call but they got 10 3 there with 3 out of 4 candidates elected while FG and FF had legions of candidates but FG at 34 here down from 44 in the 2009 locals don t look like they can take 3 out of 4 seats and FF don t have the strength to take 2 out of the 4 seats here so someone has to take the last seat and SF should be the last man standing for the fourth seat Then if you look at the seat totals I ve arrived at per region you can see how they reflect the regional strengths of the parties Reply With Quote 07 09 2014 11 49 PM 13 Shaadi View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Oct 2011 Posts 3 129 Re Next General Election Originally Posted by TotalMayhem Do we really need a thread for this The next government will be a FF FG coalition But if you want to spend the next 500 pages dwelling in wet fantasies of an imaginary Irish Left and how well it will do in the next GE be my guest I ll get my coat I ll take me 500 pages of this over 500 pages of Ukraine any day Reply With Quote 07 09 2014 11 57 PM 14 TotalMayhem View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Visit Homepage Senior Member Join Date Jul 2010 Location Out of my mind Posts 11 813 Re Next General Election Originally Posted by Shaadi I ll take me 500 pages of this over 500 pages of Ukraine any day We ll discuss this again when Micheál Martin is Taoiseach and Leo Varadkar Tánaiste Thus all which you call Sin Destruction in brief Evil that is my true element Reply With Quote 08

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    in this electoral area if not the party might be facing an uphill struggle in Cork East at the next general election and within the Cork region at large See more at http www independent ie irish news Flk8Wv2K dpuf FF did very well in Cork in the Locals so yeah that s a seat back for FF in East Cork where they only missed out by a few hundred votes in 2011 Labour did terribly in Cork but Sean Sherlock in Cork East got 20 8 in GE 2011 here and the other Labour candidate took 10 so the Labour vote could still half here and Sherlock who took a seat here in 2007 when Labour got 20 would still be in with a decent shout of a seat at traditional Labour support levels Are there any Inds Others lined up to take a seat here because neither of the big three look strong enough to take two seats here Reply With Quote 08 09 2014 06 39 PM 27 Shaadi View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Oct 2011 Posts 3 129 Offaly Here s Adrian Kavanagh s take on what FG would need to do at council level to take a seat in Offaly Birr Offaly A combination of boundary changes made in the 2012 Constituency Commission report defections and declining support levels means that Fine Gael faces a challenge to hold seats in a number of mainly three seat rural constituencies at the next general election including the new Offaly constituency A strong Fine Gael vote in the western part of that constituency which is mainly covered by the Birr electoral area will be crucial in that regard While there is no sitting Fine Gael County Councillor contesting Birr a poor result here would not bode well for Marcella Corcoran Kennedy s chances in Offaly at the next general election See more at http www independent ie irish news Flk8Wv2K dpuf FG took 17 3 in the Locals in this 3 seater so they re in the running for a seat which takes 25 as are SF who ve come from 0 councillors here in the Locals in 2009 to getting 3 out of 3 candidates elected in 2014 and 17 2 of the vote with the implication that they re well within reach of a seat here Despite the strong Ind showing here it looks like FG will take a seat here as the Inds transfers should push them towards a quota Reply With Quote 08 09 2014 08 58 PM 28 Frankie Lee View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Dec 2010 Posts 737 Re Offaly I can see Labour struggling in Kildare South especially if Jack Wall who will be in his seventies decides not to run Fine Gael will fancy their chances of getting TV3 celebrity business woman Fiona McLoughlin Healy elected alongside the anonymous incumbent Martin Heydon Sean O Fearghaill is probably safe for FF but they topped both local election polls in the constituency and they may try to introduce less tainted blood Sinn Fein made progress in the locals and their candidate is likely to be Mark Lynch but he will probably fall short The pick of the independents in the locals was Joanne Pender who if she manages a good campaign I think can sneak the 3rd seat Do the right thing Reply With Quote 08 09 2014 09 10 PM 29 riposte View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Dec 2011 Location Kilmainham Posts 4 640 Re Next General Election Dublin South Central could return 2 Independents Brid Smith Joan Collins at the expense of Labour Sinn Fein to hold one and FF to gain one Fine Gael and Labour were destroyed at the locals Last edited by riposte 08 09 2014 at 09 14 PM Politics is the art of looking for trouble finding it everywhere misdiagnosing it and then misapplying the wrong remedies Reply With Quote 08 09 2014 09 42 PM 30 fluffybiscuits View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Aug 2011 Location hiding inside Brendan Gleesons underwear drawer Posts 13 464 Re Next General Election The upcoming by elections should give an indication of what the lie of the land is Voters are veering towards FF for reasons only known to the deluded and mad the type you would have to be to vote for FF Richard that is the most pessimistic I have seen you about your own beloved Labour party buddy Independents are going to do extraordinarily well in the next election SF are planning a long term strategy Mary Lou was in Australia this is to garner the return emigre vote Whether they win these seats or not is inconsequential to them they have longer term plans PBP have run a candidate in South West Dublin home to Paul Murphy inevtiably we will see a split of the left vote They should have just pulled him out History is the only true teacher the revolution the best school for the proletariat Rosa Luxembourg Reply With Quote Page 2 of 25 First 1 2 3 4 12 Last Jump to page Quick Navigation Forthcoming General Election 2014 2016 Top Site Areas Settings Private Messages Subscriptions Who s Online Search Forums Forums Home Forums Political World Our Forum Community Welcome and Introductions Using this Forum Please Read Before Posting Events and Campaigns Political World Group Blog Political 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    types Reply With Quote 09 09 2014 11 29 AM 38 Ogiol View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Nov 2011 Posts 1 410 Re Next General Election Originally Posted by Apjp yeah thats the case in meath too generally urban independents and smaller parties make up the urbanised vote and rurally you have mavericks single issue heads and ud say a third of all indos are sharon keogan types I d say around a 3rd or so would be gene pool independents Their vote always swings back to FFG during the general election Those types really piss me off no balls to admit they re FFG yet they vote along with them on everything Reply With Quote 09 09 2014 12 15 PM 39 Shaadi View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Oct 2011 Posts 3 129 Re Next General Election Originally Posted by Ogiol Shadi I think that you may be overestimating the level of support for Independents The vote for independents in the local elections I m fairly certain has been skewed by the large amount of FF and FG gene pool independents During the locals I saw a good few independents who were formerily FF or FG councillors or who have been independents who have consistently supported FF or FG budgets These people and their supporters would certainly plump for either the FF or FG candidate in a general election I know it s hard to factor but I wonder did you weight down the independent vote Independents as I classified them in this for convenience sake include the small parties the dissident FG and Labour members who ve walked from Govt Creighton will get back in Naughton and Timmins also and Roisin Shorthall etc There are nearly 30 IND Others as is already and Paddy Power who commmission their own Red C polls will give you 5 6 that there ll be less than 42 Ind Others inc Ceann Comhairle in the next Dail Add to that the absolutely massive vote for Ind Others in Dublin and the poor state of the FF FG LAB vote there and it s very hard to dismiss the Ind Others impact on the next election Even the Gene Pool Inds can no longer be relied upon to shore up the FF and FG vote For Instance let s take the recent Longford Westmeath by election when the FF gene pool Ind and last Ind candidate standing Boxer Moran s tranfers went 1723 FG 1620 FF 1954 SF All remaining three candidates were from Athlone as was the Ind FFer yet SF took the most of the transfers and FF the least of them behind FG even I m trying to get a grasp on it constituency by constituency geography plays a huge part but this looks to be a most unusual election coming up where SF are in line for seats because of the lack of strength of the other parties giving them a huge potential seat bonus where the conventional wisdom would be they d have little to no seat bonus We shall see from the forthcoming by elections where FFs impressive Local performance leads them it may be that individual FFers are more popular than the party as seems to be the case in the recent by elections and opinion polls Also expect FF and FG candidates to elect each other on transfers there s a conservative voter alliance brewing there amongst the conservative electorate Also I m slightly perplexed as to why FG are doing so bad in my calculations seeing as they have an equal to higher vote share than FF but FG s problems lie in having their vote spread too thinly across the country as a whole with FG not having strongholds like FF have in Cork and SF have in Dublin and the Border Counties Last edited by Shaadi 09 09 2014 at 12 28 PM Reply With Quote 09 09 2014 01 20 PM 40 Shaadi View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Oct 2011 Posts 3 129 Galway West Here s Adrian Kavanagh s take on what SF would need to do at council level to take a seat in Galway west Galway City East While Sinn Féin fared disappointingly in Dublin at the last local election they party did well in some of the other cities but failed to win a seat in Galway City With Sinn Féin looking to win a seat in Galway West at the next general election they will need a strong result in Galway City in these elections Sinn Féin s best chance of a seat is in Galway City East where one of their youngest candidates Mairéad Farrell is in contention It will be a disappointment for the party if she doesn t win but if she does especially well then the party might be in line to make further gains in the city See more at http www independent ie irish news oTTVDqlj dpuf Usually a depressingly conservative constituency for such a vibrant place but as a 5 seater seats can be taken with a relatively small first preference vote SF did the business in Galway City going from 0 councillors 3 in 2009 to 3 out of 3 candidates elected and 9 6 of the vote in 2014 Labour did slightly better wise at almost 11 down from 19 in 2009 but lost 3 councillors and have nothing coming in from Connemara to keep them in the running outside of the city in the Galway West Constituency so SF s Connemara based Senator Trevor O Clochartaigh should take Labour s seat here Grealish Ind should sneak in again as should O Cuiv FF one FG and Ind Catherine Connolly who was only a few hundred short of a seat in 2011 looks like she ll make it comfortably this time Reply With Quote 09 09 2014 01 53 PM 41 Ogiol View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Nov 2011 Posts 1 410 Re Next General Election Originally Posted by Shaadi Independents as I classified them in this for convenience sake include the small parties the dissident FG and Labour members who ve walked from Govt Creighton will get back in Naughton and Timmins also and Roisin Shorthall etc There are nearly 30 IND Others as is already and Paddy Power who commmission their own Red C polls will give you 5 6 that there ll be less than 42 Ind Others inc Ceann Comhairle in the next Dail Add to that the absolutely massive vote for Ind Others in Dublin and the poor state of the FF FG LAB vote there and it s very hard to dismiss the Ind Others impact on the next election Even the Gene Pool Inds can no longer be relied upon to shore up the FF and FG vote For Instance let s take the recent Longford Westmeath by election when the FF gene pool Ind and last Ind candidate standing Boxer Moran s tranfers went 1723 FG 1620 FF 1954 SF All remaining three candidates were from Athlone as was the Ind FFer yet SF took the most of the transfers and FF the least of them behind FG even I m trying to get a grasp on it constituency by constituency geography plays a huge part but this looks to be a most unusual election coming up where SF are in line for seats because of the lack of strength of the other parties giving them a huge potential seat bonus where the conventional wisdom would be they d have little to no seat bonus We shall see from the forthcoming by elections where FFs impressive Local performance leads them it may be that individual FFers are more popular than the party as seems to be the case in the recent by elections and opinion polls Also expect FF and FG candidates to elect each other on transfers there s a conservative voter alliance brewing there amongst the conservative electorate Also I m slightly perplexed as to why FG are doing so bad in my calculations seeing as they have an equal to higher vote share than FF but FG s problems lie in having their vote spread too thinly across the country as a whole with FG not having strongholds like FF have in Cork and SF have in Dublin and the Border Counties Thanks for that I understand that you think gene pool indys won t go back to FFG as naturally as they would ve done in the past That s interesting and I accept that It s still a question of how much will go back I still believe that the level of Indy support in the polls will reduce as we near the election and it will be very difficult to gauge whether they will go for a new emerging party or an establishment one The result from Longford really shows a sea change and it will be interesting whether it will be replicated elsewhere On your Galway notes I think SF are a shoe in with Ó Cloghartaigh looking a certainty for a seat Otherwise it is surprising how such a vibrant city can still have such a conservative voting base Maybe all the vibrancy comes from the students and not the locals Reply With Quote 09 09 2014 05 32 PM 42 C Flower View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Administrator Join Date Feb 2010 Location Rockall Posts 74 918 Re Next General Election Long trends and big events will be important factors The nitty gritty is fascinating but expectations can be swept away by a tsnumami of economic upheaval or feel good boom factor On the face of it the long trend is away from FF FG Lab starting in the urban areas falling percentage voting and increased vote for Sinn Fein and independents both genuine and ghost FF FG Lab Indos The Left could have been in it but have shot themselves in the foot with opportunism and lack of a convincing programme We cannot withdraw our cards from the game Were we as silent and mute as stones our very passivity would be an act Jean Paul Sartre Reply With Quote 09 09 2014 05 45 PM 43 riposte View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Dec 2011 Location Kilmainham Posts 4 640 Re Dublin South Central Originally Posted by Shaadi That s probably another Labour seat gone so Dr Five was right not sure how strong FF are here though Did they do enough to take a seat here now that it s a 4 seater when they haven t made a recovery in Dublin and they failed in a 5 seater here in 2011 Any chance SF would run two Daithi Doolan put up big numbers in the locals He He He not if Aengus has any say in it lol Yeah FF have gained two seats in the locals where they had none so a FF seat is definitley on the cards Politics is the art of looking for trouble finding it everywhere misdiagnosing it and then misapplying the wrong remedies Reply With Quote 09 09 2014 08 41 PM 44 Shaadi View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Oct 2011 Posts 3 129 Galway East Galway East is another dreadfully predictable constituency which has been made much worse by taking a huge chunk of East Galway including Ballinasloe Town into the new constituency of Roscommon Galway This effectively killed SF in the constituency as their big vote getter in 2011 Connolly is based in Ballinasloe Town and is now gone from the constituency with no able replacement It also killed off Timmy Broderick Ind who was knocking on the door for a seat What s left is a shattered Paul Connaughton Jnr FG a shattered Kitt family FF who ve been knifed by the supposed promise of a single candidate strategy in the constituency to bring Colm Keaveney ex Lab on board and Ciaran Cannon FG who with his South Galway base intact looks like easily taking a seat for FG along with Keaveney for FF Leaving the last seat for the IND Canney from North Galway That s the plan but events could interfere I wouldn t rule out a new challenger or splitter upsetting the plans Reply With Quote 09 09 2014 10 24 PM 45 Pearse Monnet View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Sep 2013 Location Greater Benelux Posts 460 Re Next General Election Originally Posted by Shaadi There are a few discrepancies that I m not so sure about where are the Ind Others likely to take seats in constituencies that I m not aware of re a new challenger who s got a serious chance etc Also I ve given SF 2 in Cavan Monaghan The Shinners could pick up two seats in this constituency if they successfully appeal to the very real feelings of abandonment felt by people in these counties Provisional Sinn Fein could well be in office in the 26 countries after the next Dail elections so if they do make promises and don t deliver then their reign of holding two seats will be a short one On numbers alone they could have clinched two in 97 when Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin first was elected A historic day if any of youse are old enough to remember this was the first time PSF took seats in one of them there partitionist institutions Next time out in 2002 a lot of the protest vote in Monaghan county part of the constituency went to the Save Monaghan general hospital candidate Paudge Connolly He didn t make as much of an impact according to his voters and he was not re elected in 2007 On the issue of Monaghan general hospital Mary Harney has more blood on her hands and any of her voters also incidentally This hospital fell victim to the neo Liberal nonsense pedalled under the label of Centres of Excellence The end of 2009 saw the final stripping away of acute hospital services in Monaghan town with the closure of 24 7 emergency treatment Room intensive care unit and the coronary care unit I have a great idea Why not make EVERY hospital a Centre of Excellence It s a strange constituency to make predictions about and the 2007 Dail Election when Paudge Connolly lost his seat is a good example The way the cards fell when the Monaghan voters in that constituency were counted saw the Lower Mount Street staffer Margaret Conlon be elected for FF She lost her seat in 2011 along with the rest of the Soldiers Jaysus lads that was a massacre a massacre the ingrates In 2011 the Blueshirts took 3 seats in Cavan Monaghan yes three Ya gotta keep in mind that FG were presenting themselves as an alternative to the deeply unpopular govt and this is why 3 candidates won seats Normally they return just one and there is a perception rightly or wrongly that this one FG seat in that constituency is the Progistints seat The Shinners will pick up their second seat in this constituency in Cavan with Ó Caoláin retaining his Monaghan based support base In the 2014 Locals Provisional Sinn Fein got 4 council seats very comfortably on Cavan County Council with two in the same ward In the 5 seat constituency of Cavan Monaghan in May 2015 me thinks the chance for Provisional Sinn Fein to take two seats is really theirs to lose Sss hh Don t mention the lack of sovereignty in the Irish state The acknowledgement of the 1916 Rising by the Establishment and its nauseating craven lackeys is simply a political convenience devoid of any real meaning Reply With Quote Page 3 of 25 First 1 2 3 4 5 13 Last Jump to page Quick Navigation Forthcoming General Election 2014 2016 Top Site Areas Settings Private Messages Subscriptions Who s Online Search Forums Forums Home Forums Political World Our Forum Community Welcome and Introductions Using this Forum Please Read Before Posting Events and Campaigns Political World Group Blog Political World Video Channel Off Topic Members Only Sports Bar Members Only Premoderated Threads Irish Politics News Politics and Current Affairs Irish Politics The State of the Nation The Presidency The Oireachtas The Daíl and Senate Oireachtas Weekly Schedules 31st Daíl Department of Transport and Communications Department of Finance The Department of the Taoiseach Department of Agriculture Food and 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    the system there is too much to lose for people when they can t see what the alternative is Yes all good points here but I still maintain 70 90 of the population are essentially working class in the sense that they would not be able to live off dividends rents They are required to sell their labour to provide them with a reasonable standard of living The idea that many on the left seem have that working class only includes those slaving away in a factory for 12 hours a day is bizarre and never really made sense in this country where we didn t really have a industrial revolution but transitioned from an agricultural to services based economy in a few generations New test replace the word Muslims with Jews and then ask yourself Do I sound like a Nazi Reply With Quote Today 03 02 PM 366 pluralist View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Feb 2014 Posts 1 382 Re Next General Election Originally Posted by Fraxinus I heard an interesting point mentioned on the radio recently and I think I heard this correctly that after the 1913 Lockout the business community saw it important that people own their own dwelling so as to mortgage them and make them less likely to strike in the future The more people have to lose the less likely they are to want unpredictable change Wouldn t doubt it The property ownership obsession foisted on us is a key tool of exploitation used by the ruling class New test replace the word Muslims with Jews and then ask yourself Do I sound like a Nazi Reply With Quote Today 03 08 PM 367 Fraxinus View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Feb 2010 Posts 2 461 Re Next General Election Originally Posted by pluralist Yes all good points here but I still maintain 70 90 of the population are essentially working class in the sense that they would not be able to live off dividends rents They are required to sell their labour to provide them with a reasonable standard of living The idea that many on the left seem have that working class only includes those slaving away in a factory for 12 hours a day is bizarre and never really made sense in this country where we didn t really have a industrial revolution but transitioned from an agricultural to services based economy in a few generations I agree with you But I think this is where the black and white rhetoric fails to take into account the modern day nuances in the system And on the agri point Up until relatively recently the majority of the population was rural and had economic ties to farming So a lot of people today have a first or second generation connection to farming and possibly have relatives still farming The left has historically alienated farmers and that feeling has been passed on to future generations Reply With Quote Page 25 of 25 First 15 23 24 25 Jump to page Quick Navigation Forthcoming General Election 2014 2016 Top Site Areas Settings Private Messages Subscriptions Who s Online Search Forums Forums Home Forums 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    Europe with a chance of obtaining power whose party would not be out for themselves Popular sentiment in this case is manufactured and is in dangerously familiar territory Like Human rights religion ethnicity etc immigration is a constitutional and international issue but one democracy rarely serves well because people are petty and racist and many are so open to manipulation and scaremongering Last edited by Apjp 07 02 2014 at 12 23 AM Reply With Quote 07 02 2014 06 47 AM 10 Ephilant View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Nov 2010 Posts 4 034 Re Over 300 migrants drowned off Italian island of Lampedusa granted posthumous citizenship This is how refugees are threated Scene refugee camp in Corinth almost 1 year ago this incident happened on 19 02 2013 The refugees are living in abandoned old railway carriages It has a touch of Schindler s list to it Suddenly 2 Greek registered cars enter the camp The refugees scatter they know what is going to happen Some not fast enough The young man is badly wounded the car reverses over him and drives off On the way out an old man is also knocked down and badly injured Somebody managed to call the emergency services only an ambulance shows up No police This man accompanies his badly injured father to hospital He was arrested for being in the country illegally and deported back to Afghanistan in this case Neither one of the drivers nor the passengers have been arrested so far Sadly enough Greece is not alone in this We rightfully get bad press about all of this and deserve a lot worse These images have not gone viral they have rarely been published The photographer who is known locally is afraid they will come after her if she does She has obviously got very good reason to be afraid She did give me permission to publish them here There is however a flip side to this This shameful situation must be dealt with by the Greek authorities The overall situation however is way beyond the capabilities of one government if for no other reason than the sheer volume of refugees currently crossing the borders Even the old uncharted land mine fields at the Evros are now regularly used by refugees with deadly consequences Some of the villages on the Turkish side where these fields are now refuse any more burials They simply can t cope Last edited by Ephilant 07 02 2014 at 07 18 AM Reply With Quote 07 02 2014 07 00 PM 11 fluffybiscuits View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Aug 2011 Location hiding inside Brendan Gleesons underwear drawer Posts 13 464 Re Over 300 migrants drowned off Italian island of Lampedusa granted posthumous citizenship Cass With Ephilants updates and the media constantly ignoring the plight of those in Greece could we set up a seperate blog to update people what is going on Thanks for the update Without a shred of doubt GD are behind some of these beatings History is the only true teacher the revolution the best school for the proletariat Rosa Luxembourg Reply With Quote 07 02 2014 08 20 PM 12 Ephilant View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Nov 2010 Posts 4 034 Re Over 300 migrants drowned off Italian island of Lampedusa granted posthumous citizenship News is coming in of another boat with refugees sinking of the island of Farmakonisi So far the bodies of a man a woman and 2 children have been recoverd by the coastguard The clothing they were wearing would indicate them to be Syrians According to the coastguard the vessel is a local Syrian inshore fishing vessel which would have had serious difficulty making the journey it did The wreck of the boat has been located at a depth of about 75 m but weather conditions are making it impossible for divers to reach the wreck According to the coastguard bulletin and going by the size of the vessel there could have been up to 25 people on board This comes on top of the new of more bodies being found in Cueta as well Reply With Quote 02 04 2014 09 51 AM 13 Ephilant View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Nov 2010 Posts 4 034 Re Over 300 migrants drowned off Italian island of Lampedusa granted posthumous citizenship Yesterday we heard about a boat full of refugees being in trouble at the North west of our island Today the first people rescued of the thing arrived here in Chania Together with some pictures All credit to the crew of the tanker Olympic Faith who responded to a very faint Mayday on channel 16 and found this thing with 330 people on board including 140 women and children According to the captain of Olympic Faith it s a miracle that this thing actually managed to float He reckons a scrapyard would have refused it The resuce operation was closely monitored by our own coastguards and an American war ship that happened to be on its way to join the rest of the American fleet gathering in Souda bay The crew of Olympic Faith did a perfect job and got all the refugees off this floating death trap then diverted course to the nearest safe landing point which is Chania What most people forget when they see this kind of thing is that those on board who are looking for a future at any cost are the ones who can pay for this And pay heavy They are not to poorest of the poor in their country most of them would be considered well to do by their local standards It just begs the question what being poor really means if this is not it Last edited by Ephilant 02 04 2014 at 10 00 AM Reply With Quote 02 04 2014 10 34

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    working on solutions at source the EU solves the problem by assisting the US in bombing the countries of origin out of existence in ensuring these countires remain unstable war torn and unsafe places for their own citizens Protecting national interst don t you know Ever notice that national interest worth fighting for always seems to be on somebody elses turf Collateral damage is what the refugees are nothing else And as we all know collateral damage is to be expected and accepted Just not paid for The EU solves the problem by investing billions in weapons and personel for Frontex but refuses to fund Mare Nostrum in Italy or such simple things as the training up of interpreters so that our officials here can at least talk to the arriving refugees On the other hand when our government takes on 2 Afghani refugees as interpreters they get wrapped over the knuckles by the EU for flaunting EU immigration rules Both men lived here as illegals for years and speak the language fluently We solved the problem by giving them Greek nationality Much to the disgust of the EU officials who unearthed this case What the EU is proving without any shadow of doubt is its inhumanity Last edited by Ephilant 17 04 2015 at 05 17 AM Reply With Quote 17 04 2015 09 21 AM 26 Binn Beal View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date May 2010 Location The West Posts 2 836 Re Over 300 migrants drowned off Italian island of Lampedusa granted posthumous citizenship The flood gates are open Neither Italy nor Greece have the facilities infrastructure nor manpower to handle this volume If the EU does not pull the finger out and start releaving the pressure on those two countries horrible things will happen The strain is simply to much for already overstretched systems As you rightly have said no country can maintain a national economy and an open border policy and though we know the causes of this exodus the export of bombs and other weapons by the EU US and the appropriation of natural resources these powers are not going to do anything about it Greece started with this new policy of dividing refugees from migrants and with the notion of sending the migrants to other European countries but ultimately a national economy cannot exist with open borders Reply With Quote 17 04 2015 09 27 AM 27 Ephilant View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Nov 2010 Posts 4 034 Re Over 300 migrants drowned off Italian island of Lampedusa granted posthumous citizenship Originally Posted by Binn Beal As you rightly have said no country can maintain a national economy and an open border policy and though we know the causes of this exodus the export of bombs and other weapons by the EU US and the appropriation of natural resources these powers are not going to do anything about it Greece started with this new policy of dividing refugees from migrants and with the notion of sending the migrants to other European countries but ultimately a national economy cannot exist with open borders As you rightly have said no country can maintain a national economy and an open border policy When did I say that Reply With Quote 17 04 2015 10 47 AM 28 Binn Beal View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date May 2010 Location The West Posts 2 836 Re Over 300 migrants drowned off Italian island of Lampedusa granted posthumous citizenship The flood gates are open Neither Italy nor Greece have the facilities infrastructure nor manpower to handle this volume If the EU does not pull the finger out and start releaving the pressure on those two countries horrible things will happen The strain is simply to much for already overstretched systems Sorry That quote is from you and I am agreeing with you that the situation is not sustainable for a single country Reply With Quote 18 04 2015 01 18 AM 29 Apjp View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Aug 2010 Location Meath Posts 7 794 Re Over 300 migrants drowned off Italian island of Lampedusa granted posthumous citizenship Originally Posted by Ephilant Not really We ve always been the crossroads between North and South but also East and West Which is what made and makes our culture what it is Culture includes economy There is not much we can or should do about refugees trying to make it to our shores other than help them in every way we possibly can Regulate the numbers is simply an impossibility In most cases these people are running for their lives Who are we to slam the door in their faces This is very much so part of the cultural clash between Greece and the rest of Europe As mentioned elsewhere the EU condems us for putting through a law that prohibits the repossession and forced sale of a primary home It is unheard off in our country to put somebody Greek or foreigner out of their home It is simply not done not for any reason On the contrary What Greece and Italy are however realising is that the rest of Europe is not too interested in being a European Union at this level and pull their finger out Instead of spending on facilities to house the refugees who will keep coming no matter what instead of working on solutions at source the EU solves the problem by assisting the US in bombing the countries of origin out of existence in ensuring these countires remain unstable war torn and unsafe places for their own citizens Protecting national interst don t you know Ever notice that national interest worth fighting for always seems to be on somebody elses turf Collateral damage is what the refugees are nothing else And as we all know collateral damage is to be expected and

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    of Lampedusa granted posthumous citizenship Originally Posted by Binn Beal Target But you welcome this do you not Isn t this going to lead to a Greek renaissance or am I misreading your view If you have open borders and a welcome for everybody then it is not tens of thousands that you will be welcoming but hundreds of thousands What we welcome and so should everybody else is a normal exchange of different cultural and ethnic backgrounds people with different ideas a different look on life a different way of doing things If a country does not have that input and doesn t give that input it it becomes stagnant Bellybutton staring is never good not as an individual not as a nation Facilitating such an influx by necessity requires open borders The downside is of course when idiots like Cameron Obama change the dynamic from an exchange to a stampede by turning a vast area into a warzone with mob rule Like the Middle East at this stage If you look at the map of the world they have very effectively created a corridor of mob rule all the way from the Ukraine to Yemen and everywhere in between National interest don t you know As a direct result of this we are not looking at a normal influx of people any longer we are looking at masses of people running for their lives So do we as you suggest close our borders Slam the door in their faces and do what Antonis Milonakis suggests and let them drown Do we lose all sense of morality and humanity because of the economy Or do we act as human beings and offer these people at least shelter and safety and if possible a little hope Do we show our humanity and give them the chance to become part off and help build a new country culture and economy that both we and them can call ours I m glad and proud to belong to one of the two EU states that still has its humanity as its main priority at any cost over and above economic considerations Last edited by Ephilant 20 04 2015 at 07 18 AM Reply With Quote 20 04 2015 09 13 AM 40 Donal Og View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Jul 2011 Posts 587 Re Over 300 migrants drowned off Italian island of Lampedusa granted posthumous citizenship I was thinking about the numbers here say 10k this week Sounds a lot but shared around 28 Europeans states it is quite trifling Then another thought sprang into my mind unbidden as they say we can t send any of these traumatised people to any of the new accession states of eastern Europe Their own minorities are not safe even They should never have been permitted to join quite apart from economic considerations Then Greece Portugal and Spain are banjaxed by debt as is Ireland It would make more sense for the West to help Middle East and African states If they can get over this daft belief in liberal intervention It worked ok in Sierra Leone Then Blair went a bit troppo and thought he had some kind of mission to save the world Reply With Quote 20 04 2015 10 11 AM 41 Binn Beal View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date May 2010 Location The West Posts 2 836 Re Over 300 migrants drowned off Italian island of Lampedusa granted posthumous citizenship I m glad and proud to belong to one of the two EU states that still has its humanity as its main priority at any cost over and above economic considerations In that case it will be well to prepare for many hundreds of thousands of new citizens as the perpetual war in the Middle East and North Africa is still being fuelled by the western arms dealers Respectfully I don t want to waste space discussing the causes of the endless war as I imagine we all agree on that Also I see no point in comparing our concerns for victims as again I suspect we all share the sense of horror at what is happening The government of Greece and Italy and the rest of Europe needs to do some governing and come up with a policy This is all the more urgent for Greece with its economy in ruins and being the frontline for the mass migration of people from the east Of course new people will enrich the culture and will most likely be good and productive citizens but that is not the issue Does Syriza have a policy or is it something along the lines of its economic policy of wait and see Reply With Quote 20 04 2015 10 36 AM 42 Binn Beal View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date May 2010 Location The West Posts 2 836 Re Over 300 migrants drowned off Italian island of Lampedusa granted posthumous citizenship This man has a policy and it may be that the EU US are actively operating the wars and migrations with this in mind http www bbc com news uk politics 18519395 Reply With Quote 20 04 2015 11 05 AM 43 Donal Og View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Jul 2011 Posts 587 Re Over 300 migrants drowned off Italian island of Lampedusa granted posthumous citizenship Sir Peter Sutherland the occasional Irishman who is chair of Goldman Sachs and the LSE Ah I recall when the LSE was a hotbed of socialist activity So he thinks Europe must lose its homogeneity But I expect he lives in some all white enclave Wonder what his solution to the crisis in the Med would entail Migrants packed into sweatshops I imagine Reply With Quote 20 04 2015 02 16 PM 44 Hapax View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Nov 2010

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