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  • ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, Al Shabab etc. etc. - Where did they come from, where are they going ?
    What is It Originally Posted by Xray I would have thought an even more un Islamic habit than drinking would be the serial murder of themselves and other Muslims not to mention people of other faiths etc I am no Muslim but I would judge it on the actions of some nut in an extreme military cult You might as well judge the reformation on the basis of the actions of billy wright It is no secret that the CIA et al built up anti soviet forces in the 1980s I suspect it has simply run out of their control now Although I must admit to having reservations about the official 9 11 story also I still cant get what the desired end game is in Afghanistan for NATO though I thought they would grab a few terrorists from a cave a few years ago bomb the airport on the way home and declare victory If they cant leave the area how are they are threat to the West You are absolutely right that most muslims are absolutely horrified by the carry on of supposed jihadists Reply With Quote 10 03 2010 12 56 AM 10 Almanac View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Feb 2010 Posts 471 Re Who runs Al Qaeda and What is It Originally Posted by C Flower Well no not at all confused or Jim Corrish This is what Cook wrote just after the London bombings in 2005 And just four weeks before his untimely death Reply With Quote 10 03 2010 12 58 AM 11 Lapsedmethodist View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Mar 2010 Location Cork Posts 2 375 Re Who runs Al Qaeda and What is It Originally Posted by C Flower You are absolutely right that most muslims are absolutely horrified by the carry on of supposed jihadists But does Al Q have sneaking regarders that s the question Reply With Quote 10 03 2010 01 00 AM 12 Lapsedmethodist View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Mar 2010 Location Cork Posts 2 375 Re Who runs Al Qaeda and What is It Originally Posted by Xray I would have thought an even more un Islamic habit than drinking would be the serial murder of themselves and other Muslims not to mention people of other faiths etc I am no Muslim but I would judge it on the actions of some nut in an extreme military cult You might as well judge the reformation on the basis of the actions of billy wright It is no secret that the CIA et al built up anti soviet forces in the 1980s I suspect it has simply run out of their control now Although I must admit to having reservations about the official 9 11 story also I still cant get what the desired end game is in Afghanistan for NATO though I thought they would grab a few terrorists from a cave a few years ago bomb the airport on the way home and declare victory If they cant leave the area how are they are threat to the West You re wrong about the murder of other Muslims The founder of the Muslim Brotherhood was quite specific about it being almost a duty to kill soft Muslims A kind of iron in the soul philosophy Reply With Quote 10 03 2010 01 06 AM 13 People Korps Guest Re Who runs Al Qaeda and What is It Originally Posted by Lapsedmethodist But does Al Q have sneaking regarders that s the question Presumably they do as will all such organizations who may or may not exist is fact in deeds they exist so they will have a following and an apologia propaganda possibly grassroots led in the main with the odd central announcement like ame http www youtube com watch v k32kgPCCvcY feature related http www youtube com watch v k32kgPCCvcY feature related ame Reply With Quote 10 03 2010 01 07 AM 14 Almanac View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Feb 2010 Posts 471 Re Who runs Al Qaeda and What is It Back in 2004 Pierre Henry Bunel a former agent for French military intelligence explained that Al Qaida is nothing more than a database How many of the public know this 99 believe that Al Qaida is a unified terrorist movement under the leadership of Bin Laden dedicated to the destruction of the West There is a reason for this naturally which Bunel also highlighted The truth is there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida And any informed intelligence officer knows this But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the devil only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money Source Reply With Quote 10 03 2010 01 07 AM 15 moss View Profile View Forum Posts Banned Join Date Feb 2010 Location your optic nerve Posts 3 029 Re Who runs Al Qaeda and What is It Originally Posted by Lapsedmethodist But does Al Q have sneaking regarders that s the question They would if they existed They don t Reply With Quote Page 1 of 152 1 2 3 11 51 101 Last Jump to page Quick Navigation Global Politics Top Site Areas Settings Private Messages Subscriptions Who s Online 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    secretly suporting Hamas in the early days to undermine the PLO Reply With Quote 11 03 2010 12 50 PM 24 C Flower View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Administrator Join Date Feb 2010 Location Rockall Posts 74 918 Re Who runs Al Qaeda and What is It Originally Posted by Kev Bar I know But they had already bought their man in Egypt where the Muslim Brotherhood was founded and often ruthlessly repressed Zahiri Bin Laden s right hand man being a case in point Not sure if it is still the case but Egypt followed Israel as biggest receivers of military aid And back in the day when they were not necessarily villains they scuppered the French Brit Israeli plan to take over the Suez from Nasser Elsewhere was different Curiously the Israelis played the same game secretly suporting Hamas in the early days to undermine the PLO Suez was a big moment in terms of nailing the coffin lid down on the British Empire How was the Muslim Brotherhood involved Reply With Quote 11 03 2010 05 31 PM 25 Kev Bar Guest Re Who runs Al Qaeda and What is It Originally Posted by C Flower Suez was a big moment in terms of nailing the coffin lid down on the British Empire How was the Muslim Brotherhood involved Wasn t the secular Nasser was the hero of the day My point being the yanks had no percentage in assisting the Muslim Brotherhood And re suppressing fundamentalists the only people who make the Israelis look moderate are the Arabs When the Syrian branch got a bit uppity Hassad took out some 20 000 in a weekend I dont think there is any big sinister plot lurking behind the US support for the muj Enemies enemy is my friend a philosophy tho that comes with high blowback potential Reply With Quote 11 03 2010 05 45 PM 26 C Flower View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Administrator Join Date Feb 2010 Location Rockall Posts 74 918 Re Who runs Al Qaeda and What is It Originally Posted by Kev Bar Wasn t the secular Nasser was the hero of the day My point being the yanks had no percentage in assisting the Muslim Brotherhood And re suppressing fundamentalists the only people who make the Israelis look moderate are the Arabs When the Syrian branch got a bit uppity Hassad took out some 20 000 in a weekend I dont think there is any big sinister plot lurking behind the US support for the muj Enemies enemy is my friend a philosophy tho that comes with high blowback potential The resurgence of religion is one of the surprises of the early 21st century In the 1960s religion was falling away science and technology was demonstrably changing lives and providing drama moon landings and speed records bumper harvest miracle cures and so on People felt they could control the world and the idea of an all powerful non material being was just not all that interesting At what point and why did that change Not only do we have these very peculiar modern variants on islam but also some fairly bizarre forms of Christianity particularly in the States and a resurgence in belief in the unexplainable and supernatural Wtf Reply With Quote 15 03 2010 12 59 PM 27 Kev Bar Guest Re Who runs Al Qaeda and What is It Curious point The Arab world missed the industrial revolution The move from farm to city has occurred primarily in the last 50 years If you look at the occupation or education of worldwide jihadis you will find a huge percentage of those with degrees in computers science engineering etc Not too well versed in the humanities So we have these poor hicks living in the desert version of the dark ages but sted of witches they have sat TV note with the Taliban banning TV we went back to a long bearded short trousered Salem The boys head to the city and to their consternation find they can t the chicks on the billboards and being outside of the elite probably cant get a good job So they head off to the West more alienation More billboards More sexsual frustration Would drive a man to murder Reply With Quote 16 03 2010 01 30 PM 28 MediaBite View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Feb 2010 Posts 558 Re Who runs Al Qaeda and What is It The Channel 4 broadcaster Alex Thomson who has spent a lot of time in the Middle East and is just about to return from Afghanistan after several weeks there has said Al Qaeda is an idea rather than an organisation Reply With Quote 16 03 2010 06 24 PM 29 Kev Bar Guest Re Who runs Al Qaeda and What is It Originally Posted by MediaBite The Channel 4 broadcaster Alex Thomson who has spent a lot of time in the Middle East and is just about to return from Afghanistan after several weeks there has said Al Qaeda is an idea rather than an organisation Jason Burke s first book says little else Rashid says the same Jonathan Randal Fisk too People Korps makes the point above Mr Thomson sounds like a slow learner Reply With Quote 16 03 2010 08 25 PM 30 MediaBite View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Feb 2010 Posts 558 Re Who runs Al Qaeda and What is It Originally Posted by Kev Bar Jason Burke s first book says little else Rashid says the same Jonathan Randal Fisk too People Korps makes the point above Mr Thomson sounds like a slow learner Uhhh Reply With Quote Page 2 of 152 First 1 2 3 4 12 52 102 Last Jump to page Quick Navigation Global Politics Top Site Areas Settings Private Messages Subscriptions Who s Online Search Forums Forums Home Forums Political World

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  • ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, Al Shabab etc. etc. - Where did they come from, where are they going ? - Page 3
    07 2010 at 01 06 PM Reply With Quote 06 10 2010 07 36 PM 39 C Flower View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Administrator Join Date Feb 2010 Location Rockall Posts 74 918 Re Who runs Al Qaeda and What is It Bin Laden surrounded by fake supporters hired for the day BBC ame http www youtube com watch v r hYorNi0nA YouTube BBC now admits al qaeda never existed ame Reply With Quote 06 10 2010 08 03 PM 40 Griska View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Moderator Join Date Aug 2010 Location Dublin Ireland Posts 5 356 Re Who runs Al Qaeda and What is It The good news is that this al Qaeda does not exist The bad news is that the threat now facing the world is far more dangerous than any single terrorist leader with an army however large of loyal cadres The word itself is critical Al Qaeda comes from the Arabic root qaf ayn dal It can mean a base as in a camp or a home a foundation And crucially it can also mean a precept rule principle maxim formula method model or pattern Jason Burke Al Qaeda 2004 A good book Well researched Reply With Quote 06 10 2010 08 22 PM 41 antiestablishmentarian View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Moderator Join Date Apr 2010 Location Posts 5 006 Re Who runs Al Qaeda and What is It I d imagine Al Qaeda is more of a mindset than an organisation It is inconceivable that any network on the scale of that which governments would lead us to believe and I imagine that Al Qaeda is more a spiritual and ideological tendency than a coherent and monolithic terrorist organisation Our goal is to conquer state power for the Irish working class Pat Rabitte 1987 Can I ask whether this is what the men of 1916 died for a bailout from the German chancellor with a few shillings of sympathy from the British chancellor on the side Michael Noonan November 2010 Reply With Quote 06 10 2010 08 37 PM 42 Seán Ryan View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Visit Homepage Senior Member Join Date Jul 2010 Location Omnipresent Posts 2 136 Re Who runs Al Qaeda and What is It One of the funniest things regarding the Al Qaeda myth is that the FBI never bothered to update Osama s profile after 9 11 Though it most certainly has updated the page since then http www fbi gov wanted topten fugitives laden htm RoaringAndShouting Reply With Quote 06 10 2010 08 43 PM 43 Seán Ryan View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Visit Homepage Senior Member Join Date Jul 2010 Location Omnipresent Posts 2 136 Re Who runs Al Qaeda and What is It Meant to include this article in my last post It discusses the fact that the FBI have concluded that there s no hard evidence to connect Bin Laden to 9 11 FBI says it has No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9 11 RoaringAndShouting Reply With Quote 06 10 2010 08 45 PM 44 Griska View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Moderator Join Date Aug 2010 Location Dublin Ireland Posts 5 356 Re Who runs Al Qaeda and What is It Originally Posted by antiestablishmentarian I d imagine Al Qaeda is more of a mindset than an organisation It is inconceivable that any network on the scale of that which governments would lead us to believe and I imagine that Al Qaeda is more a spiritual and ideological tendency than a coherent and monolithic terrorist organisation Exactly However it s easier to manufacture consent when the enemy is painted as one big bad guy There s a wonderful documentary called Nightmares the Power of Politics which shows exactly how the U S mainly Rumsfeld fabricated the real threat of the Soviet Union and how now it s Osama It s on Google Video Reply With Quote 06 10 2010 09 04 PM 45 Iolo View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Apr 2010 Posts 310 Re Who runs Al Qaeda and What is It I think that anyone who has studied the history of revolutionary or patriotic organisations knows how easy it is for agents of the secret police to infiltrate them or indeed start their own groups In the same way double agents flourish and may for instance be allowed to assassinate power figures It is for this reason that in European states such organisations impose a tough discipline The brother of one of my wife s ancestors for instance was recruited into a physical force Chartist group probably by the police agent who betrayed them and got him banged up for armed rebellion My own ancestors were involved in the March on Newport the Merthyr Rising and the Rebecca actions but protected by a language the informers didn t speak People learn for such experiences I think don t trust outsiders and keep it in the close community It is my opinion for what it is worth that major Al Qaeda actions are probably organised by zionists who have plenty of Arabic speakers and people with Russian secret police training Insofar as there is action not so organised I d guess it reflects the nature of Islam itself unheirarchical and indeed almost anarchic That makes it difficult for the Security Services to stop but without the use of terror to back up the Western war machine and the warfare state it would normally be too small to matter Gobeithiaw y ddaw ydd wyf Reply With Quote Page 3 of 152 First 1 2 3 4 5 13 53 103 Last Jump to page Quick Navigation Global Politics Top Site Areas Settings Private Messages Subscriptions Who s Online Search Forums Forums Home Forums Political World Our Forum Community Welcome and Introductions Using this Forum Please Read Before Posting Events and Campaigns Political World Group

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  • ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, Al Shabab etc. etc. - Where did they come from, where are they going ? - Page 152
    last year because British intelligence said the accused terrorist was working for them But this one living in one of Tony and Cherie s gaffs We cannot withdraw our cards from the game Were we as silent and mute as stones our very passivity would be an act Jean Paul Sartre Reply With Quote Page 152 of 152 First 52 102 142 150 151 152 Jump to page Quick Navigation Global Politics Top Site Areas Settings Private Messages Subscriptions Who s Online Search Forums Forums Home Forums Political World Our Forum Community Welcome and Introductions Using this Forum Please Read Before Posting Events and Campaigns Political World Group Blog Political World Video Channel Off Topic Members Only Sports Bar Members Only Premoderated Threads Irish Politics News Politics and Current Affairs Irish Politics The State of the Nation The Presidency The Oireachtas The Daíl and Senate Oireachtas Weekly Schedules 31st Daíl Department of Transport and Communications Department of Finance The Department of the Taoiseach Department of Agriculture Food and the Marine Department of Public Services and Reform Department of Communications Energy and Natural Resources Department of Health Department of Education Department of Environment Housing Planning Department of Justice and Defence An Garda Siochána Department of Social Protection The Good Friday Agreement Irish Politics Politics of the North Information and Data Resources Irish Government Local Government in Ireland Ireland Political Parties and Groups Fine Gael The Green Party Fianna Fail Sinn Fein Amhrán Nua The Socialist Party The Labour Party Fís Nua Eirigí The Workers Party Workers Solidarity Movement Irish Liberal Party Direct Democracy Ireland The Peoples Movement The Peoples Alliance Democracy Now Spanish Irish Group Claiming Our Future Independents United Left Alliance ULA Conference 2012 Pre Conference Discussion Threads Irish Republican Socialist Party 32CSM NI21 Communist Party of Ireland The Peoples Convention WUAG Libertas Ganley CAWHT The Freeman Movement Attack the Tax Official Republican Movement Party Coalitions and Alliances The 1916 Societies CAPTA The Anti Austerity Alliance The Daíl Technical Group Republican Sinn Fein Independent Alliance Renua Traveller Groups and Issues Democratic Unionist Party SDLP Alliance Party Traditional Unionist Voice Conservative and Ulster Unionist Party RNU People Before Profit Socialist Workers Party The Pirate Party Trade Unions and Related Organisations INTO ICTU SIPTU IMPACT The Independent Workers Union Irish National Union of the Unemployed CPSU UNITE The Trade Union Left Forum Mandate Economy and Employment Ireland the EFSF and the IMF World Economy European Economy The Irish Economy Exchequer Figures and Other Irish Economic Data The IFSC and German Banks in Ireland Privatisation PPPs and Outsourcing The Irish Oligarchy NAMA The National Asset Management Agency Anglo Irish Bank Scandal Irish Banks Crisis Not inc Anglo Irish Employment and Unemployment The Irish Bank Guarantee Mortgages and Personal Debt Irish Economic Overview and Analysis Sovereign Debt Irish Construction Industry and Property Price Rises and Drops inflation deflation Irish Budget 2014 Irish Budget 2016 Irish Budget 2015 Irish Budget 2013 Transport and Infrastructure Irish Budget 2011 2012 and 4 Year Plan 2011 2015 Elections

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  • Global Politics
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  • 10 Days in Tahrir Square - Diary, Photographs and Discussions - C. Flower
    done What does not appear to be happening is the building of the type of party you describe Leaflets in English and outside Egypt are not going to make that happen Where are the people on the ground http farm6 static flickr com 5257 5422799193 f07aa0be17 jpg Second Day Originally Posted by A new lovers arrival Any photos what your digs like I m staying in the Square half of which is a tent city at night I ll try getting some pictures up but most likely it will have to wait until I get back The Square was harder work yesterday morning The Government television station is pumping out propoganda about the revolution being manipulated by the US and Israel through foreign spies converse of the truth of course as Mubarak is a direct proxy for the US and Israel and has been from day 1 I knew this before I came so was to some extent prepared for it There was one situation with about 50 people around me getting more and more heated about whether or not I should be there majority with me but a very angry three or four against The people on the outside of the circle of course can only half hear what is being said and the whole thing is fairly jumpy There was a heated debate with kind help of people who translated I stuck to my ground that Mubarak wanted to isolate the Egyptian revolution from support and that they should face this down They know it isn t true I think but some are anxious under pressure from Mubarak to appear more than 100 Eygptian In the end something I don t know what flipped angry man over and he was suddenly all smiles and thanks and we exchanged Irish for Egyptian flags I have to explain why I m there to people and state my case over and over again each day It s made easier as it s normal here for people to hold up a poster of some kind a slogan or qu ran quote or cartoon Sometimes there are 1 20 people with mobile phones taking pics of my poster at once and recording my explanation In almost every case when people have heard and or read my poster they ve welcomed me and thank me for coming I haven t needed to buy any food since I came and have given out the food I brought with me and have to turn down kind offers of food and help all the time People are very concerned for my safety in a practical way and kindly translate or escort although so far inside the Square I ve had no bother at all apart from the above occasion when I did wonder for a minute or two if I might get my head ripped off The Square is about the size of Clonmel it takes more than half an hour to walk around it Youngdan had better get his calculator out There was no trouble at all from police or army yesterday although they are there armed and with tanks the whole time and there are huge posters of people killed in the protests all around the edges of the Square Definitely not all the military are on side with Mubarak There are groups of young men and some older workers who operate on a constant alert for security issues attacks A young Egyptian who grew up in western Europe told me about his early days with the protest he flew out the day after it started on 25th A man close by to him was shot in the head and killed on 27th and he was hit on the head fortunately on the back of my head with a rock He said his whole life had been changed by coming out here it a positive way but he has absolutely no idea what he will do when its over There s a big process going on of thrashing out ideas and options but with no formal co ordinating body and a very delicate balance of unity among all the groups based on getting Mubarak out All around the square there are meetings and debates being held and people writing out their wishes on sheets of paper and arranging them on screens or on the ground where people read and photograph them I hope that all of these ideas will be collated to help find some further steps that can be taken without the unity being broken at this crucial stage Very few people are buying in to Mubarak s Fianna Fail style wage increases for public servants and so on but they are being talked about The Wikileaks cable posted by Sean Ryan in the context of Gaza is very useful in understanding the situation in Egypt The US clearly had its provisional plans in place to replace Mubarak with Soliman and or Gamal this is now seriously disrupted by the cross class consensus in Egypt that the regime itself should be changed My sign is very basic but it explains why I have come out to Cairo it says Egypt leads the world s fight against poverty and injustice Down with Mubarak No more fear in English and Arabic Politicalworld org discussion http www uruknet info p m74717 hd size 1 l e fb 1 Originally Posted by ang The IMF s epic fail on Egypt http www nakedcapitalism com 2011 02 the imfs epic fail on egypt html Brilliant stuff ang if we read the Egypt Greek and the nex Irish IMF monitoring reports we will find that they use the same one for everywhere Things are recovering the rich are getting richer Austerity is working the poor are getting poorer Poverty can be overcome by giving all state assets to the rich Perfect Mubarak says the people leading the movement are all Israeli and US operatives who live on Kentucky Fried Chicken I had a new sign today which said Kentucky Fried eating Israeli US Spies for the Egyptian Revolution It went down a treat Last edited by C Flower 05 10 2011 at 05 32 AM Reply With Quote 09 02 2011 10 17 AM 3 C Flower View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Administrator Join Date Feb 2010 Location Rockall Posts 74 918 Re Draft Blog Post Cairo Day Three Well there were at least a million of us yesterday you have to allow for the fact that this is a rolling crowd with a constant flow of people arriving and leaving Pic from Al J Some contrast from last Wednesday when it looked as though it would be lost it just goes to show that sometimes you have to dig in and stand your ground even when it looks hopeless My admiration for the young men and women who fought it out and some of whom died is unlimited The men threw the rocks women broke up the street surface and supplied them The deaths lest anyone was confused by the RTE reports were the result of being shot by the police or hit in the head by molotov cocktails thrown by the police and their paid thugs Since Wednesday more and more people have moved into the square at night so that space is becoming an issue I ll be very sorry to go as duties mean I must but someone else or given the increasing numbers several people will use the gap I leave photo al Jazeera last Wednesday s defence of Tahrir Square Politicalworld org discussion Originally Posted by PaddyJoe McGillycuddy The regime is becoming impatient as the Tharir Square protest arrives at Day 17 http english aljazeera net news middleeast 2011 02 201128225410121154 html I think this speech should be read along with the wikileak cable which shows that the US State Department CIA is directly in touch with Soliman and Co daily and there should be no doubt that the Egyptian government is a US proxy government The other background is that the US is putting in place contingency plans for a military intervention dressed up as evacuation of US residents which to the best of my recall took place two weeks ago http www politicalworld org showpost php p 118494 postcount 434 The fact that the US has been giving 1 3 billion dollars of military aid to Egypt every year can t be forgotten nor can Egypt s key proxy political role for Israel and the US in relation to the Palestinians There is no way that Soliman would risk attempting a coup without US military backing behind him The military is divided with a lot of the ranks supporting the crowds who are after all their brothers sisters fathers and mothers I ve chatted with soldiers some of whom get out of uniform and actively help when they can In some ways the most damaging thing done by the Government has been the TV propoganda that the movement is foreign inspired It both whipped up xenophobia and turned some people against the revolution The US State always backs more than one horse even in its own Presidential elections lol As well as Soliman and El Baradei there are a small number of people Egyptians in Tahrir Square from NGOs that have the smell of Soros US funding about them I had the ironic experience of challenging one such Change Colour Revolution group to say where the funding for their three European offices came from and if Soros was a funder No clear answer was given but I ll be following up when I get back There is also the Muslim Brotherhood from its outset favoured by the US as a buffer against communism The movement in Egypt is of all the classes and all ages At the moment there s unity because the demand is very basic to get rid of Mubarak If When he goes and there is some democratisation divisions will open up between rich poor conservative and radical The working classes want work and food the middle classes employment without corrupt appointment medical care the youths want a future all want dignity and to be full human beings living without fear of favour The wealthy upper class want to hold on to what they have but with less corruption and favouritism that cramps their chances Within the Mubarak opposition on the Square there are all shades of politics in very different numbers from secular radical democrats Nasserite nationalists radical islamists moderate moslems conservative democrats communists maoists and socialists I asked one guy part of a students group if he was a socialist and he said yes we have all been revolutionaries for two weeks There s great organisational capacity after 30 years of suppression development politically now will be very fast There is another thing on which there is consensus People want much more power with the people much less with the politicians I can see a future in which politician s role wworld wide is very different and much more subordinate than it is today To any Egyptian reading this who has taken part in the Revolution a big shout out and my deepest respect and thanks because what this movement of millions of people is doing will permanently change the world for the better There are some funny stories and my photos missing from this diary I ll post them when I m back Last edited by C Flower 09 02 2011 at 02 44 PM Reply With Quote 09 02 2011 11 17 AM 4 C Flower View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Administrator Join Date Feb 2010 Location Rockall Posts 74 918 Re 3 Days in Tahrir Square My Diaries and Discussions C Flower Help wanted please see first post Reply With Quote 09 02 2011 11 21 AM 5 5intheface View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Visit Homepage Moderator Join Date Feb 2010 Location Granny Madden s Posts 6 139 Re 3 Days in Tahrir Square My Diaries and Discussions C Flower I ll get that up as a blogpost at some point today http ancruiskeenlawnmower wordpress com If dreams were lightning thunder was desire this whole place would have burned down a long time ago Reply With Quote 09 02 2011 11 25 AM 6 C Flower View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Administrator Join Date Feb 2010 Location Rockall Posts 74 918 Re 3 Days in Tahrir Square My Diaries and Discussions C Flower Originally Posted by 5intheface I ll get that up as a blogpost at some point today Thanks 5 Sorry it s so long I ll tidy it up a bit now Reply With Quote 09 02 2011 12 18 PM 7 C Flower View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Administrator Join Date Feb 2010 Location Rockall Posts 74 918 Re 3 Days in Tahrir Square Diary and Discussions C Flower All finished 5intheface Thanks again Reply With Quote 09 02 2011 01 44 PM 8 5intheface View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Visit Homepage Moderator Join Date Feb 2010 Location Granny Madden s Posts 6 139 Re 3 Days in Tahrir Square Diary and Discussions C Flower Done http ancruiskeenlawnmower wordpress com If dreams were lightning thunder was desire this whole place would have burned down a long time ago Reply With Quote 09 02 2011 02 35 PM 9 Mervyn Crawford View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Member Join Date Jan 2011 Posts 35 Re 3 Days in Tahrir Square Diary and Discussions C Flower Struggle deepens in Egypt The Egyptian uprising is spreading and deepening This means that the danger from Suleiman and Obama is also increasing http www wsws org articles 2011 fe egyp f09 shtml The Egytian uprising is of world significance The social questions afflicting the whole globe have had their first revoloutionary outcome in Egypt This is only the first stage of a worldwide development In Egypt the issue is state power Is it to be the continued power of the Egyptian ruling class in alliance with and on behalf of Imperialism Or are the Egytian people going to organise independently and bring down the rule of Mubarak Suleiman the NDP and the multi billionaires If the Egyptian masses do not overthrow the capitalist state and set up a socialist planned economy then the counter revoloution will unfold Last edited by C Flower 09 02 2011 at 02 42 PM Reply With Quote 09 02 2011 02 37 PM 10 Captain Con O Sullivan View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Mar 2010 Posts 12 034 Re 3 Days in Tahrir Square Diary and Discussions C Flower Irish Central in the states alerted and provided with a link to politicalworld org Cairo thread Have told them that its an Irish blogger and a pair of eyes and ears in Tahriri Square should they like to know whats happening on the ground Last edited by C Flower 20 02 2011 at 08 37 AM Think National Act Local Oh and superstition is just the dark matter of human history Reply With Quote 09 02 2011 10 29 PM 11 mutley View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Moderator Join Date Feb 2010 Location Wacky Races Posts 1 949 Huffington post are also looking for people to email them who are there Might be worth sending an email with a link to the blog email protected Reply With Quote 09 02 2011 10 54 PM 12 Captain Con O Sullivan View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Mar 2010 Posts 12 034 Re 3 Days in Tahrir Square Diary and Discussions C Flower Irish World in the UK and Examiner contacted as well I haven t bothered with the Israeli papers Might see if some Aussie and Kiwis would be interested in the morning I ll look for an Irish name to contact heh Think National Act Local Oh and superstition is just the dark matter of human history Reply With Quote 12 02 2011 12 09 AM 13 A new lovers arrival View Profile View Forum Posts Banned Join Date Nov 2010 Posts 92 Re 3 Days in Tahrir Square Diary and Discussions C Flower Hi Cactus Can you post a picture of your lodgings yet Its impossible for us to even imagine what its like there Whats going to happen now Last edited by A new lovers arrival 12 02 2011 at 12 14 AM Reply With Quote 19 02 2011 07 04 PM 14 C Flower View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Administrator Join Date Feb 2010 Location Rockall Posts 74 918 Re 3 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