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  • What's in the Sunday Papers ? - Page 2
    Moderator Join Date Nov 2010 Location in the national interest Posts 17 571 Re Whats in the Sunday Papers Oh see There were some amongst us who knew that this was a great big lie which could not be delivered upon In fact within days of the election of the new Government you got a heads up courtesy of the Sunday Independent for which we were roundly tut tutted Voter betrayal our headline said the Fine Gael and Labour Government would continue to implement in detail the economic and banking policies of the outgoing Government Such headlines tend to be ignored by other media with a more lofty self regard I am thinking of RTE and The Irish Times here not to mention the various idiot bloggers and online posters but invariably such headlines turn out to be true sooner or later Everyone was wrong but the SINDO fancy that Last edited by Dr FIVE 10 04 2011 at 07 14 PM Reply With Quote 10 04 2011 07 02 PM 27 PaddyJoe View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Moderator Join Date Mar 2010 Posts 22 240 Re Whats in the Sunday Papers Originally Posted by FIVE Oh see Every was wrong but the SINDO fancy that Not a big shock that crap writers like Jody Corcoran would aim a couple of kicks at idiot bloggers He s afraid of having his lunch eaten and with very good reason Reply With Quote 10 04 2011 07 15 PM 28 PaddyJoe View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Moderator Join Date Mar 2010 Posts 22 240 Re Whats in the Sunday Papers Come to think of it Jody Corcoran was the journalist who wrote that Dermot Desmond and JP McManus were seen around government buildings on the night of the guarantee in September 2008 He has refused to comment on that story since Reply With Quote 16 04 2011 10 06 PM 29 PaddyJoe View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Moderator Join Date Mar 2010 Posts 22 240 Re What s in the Sunday Papers From the tweet machine so far SBP lead Quinn family s personal assets beyond Anglo s reach Ministers believed ECB was issuing threats pressure on John Bruton re Aras Sunday World has named the sports journalist Tomorrow will not be a good day for Irish journalism Sunday Times news senior PR executive says Van Morrison lied to him and caused him to give incorrect information about Gigi Lee to RTE ST News Pat Rabbitte tells smissmac that water charges may have to come in before metering such is the state of public finances Scale of the threats ECB made to Irish ministers is becoming clear Sunday Bizz Post p1 Sindo At last A plan to kick start property NAMA selloff right on top of Brendan O Connor decrying the emergence of Property Bubble 2 Thanks to Jburns43 and gavreilly Reply With Quote 16 04 2011 11 06 PM 30 ang View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Moderator Join Date Mar 2010 Posts 7 438 Re What s in the Sunday Papers The NAMA sell off should be fun to watch PJ remember NAMA don t own the asset it s the loan that is their responsibility How do you force a developer to accept a price that they deem unreasonable More political posturing that will end in tears and I would imagine the Legal Eagles will be the only ones to profit Reply With Quote Page 2 of 191 First 1 2 3 4 12 52 102 Last Jump to page Quick Navigation News Media and the Internet Top Site Areas Settings Private Messages Subscriptions Who s Online Search Forums Forums Home Forums Political World Our Forum Community Welcome and Introductions Using this Forum Please Read Before Posting Events and Campaigns Political World Group Blog Political World Video Channel Off Topic Members Only Sports Bar Members Only Premoderated Threads Irish Politics News Politics and Current Affairs Irish Politics The State of the Nation The Presidency The Oireachtas The Daíl and Senate Oireachtas Weekly Schedules 31st Daíl Department of Transport and Communications Department of Finance The Department of the Taoiseach Department of Agriculture Food and the Marine Department of Public Services and Reform Department of Communications Energy and Natural Resources 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  • What's in the Sunday Papers ? - Page 3
    fun to watch PJ remember NAMA don t own the asset it s the loan that is their responsibility How do you force a developer to accept a price that they deem unreasonable More political posturing that will end in tears and I would imagine the Legal Eagles will be the only ones to profit and the receivers and the liquidators and the auctioneers who escaped form the boom with no critque and the estate agents and the developers some of whom are earning high wages from nama and you get the picture Reply With Quote 16 04 2011 11 43 PM 41 goatstoe View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Sep 2010 Posts 1 023 Re What s in the Sunday Papers Am curious why would online sites not discuss something that s being openly discussed on twitter anyway I m referring to the Sunday World front page in tomorrows edition Last edited by goatstoe 16 04 2011 at 11 49 PM Reply With Quote 17 04 2011 12 43 AM 42 Kid Ryder View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Mar 2010 Location in the teeth of adversity Posts 2 817 Re What s in the Sunday Papers Originally Posted by goatstoe Am curious why would online sites not discuss something that s being openly discussed on twitter anyway I m referring to the Sunday World front page in tomorrows edition Two reasons one is ongoing investigation and possible legal proceedings into very serious alleged offences the other is the fear of libel suits if the rumours circulating on the web and journalist circles happen to be off the mark It is we the workers who built these palaces and cities here in Spain and in America and everywhere We the workers can build others to take their place And better ones We are not in the least afraid of ruins We are going to inherit the earth there is not the slightest doubt about that The bourgeoisie might blast and ruin its own world before it leaves the stage of history We carry a new world here in our hearts Buenaventura Durruti Reply With Quote 17 04 2011 12 47 AM 43 C Flower View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Administrator Join Date Feb 2010 Location Rockall Posts 74 918 Re What s in the Sunday Papers Originally Posted by goatstoe Am curious why would online sites not discuss something that s being openly discussed on twitter anyway I m referring to the Sunday World front page in tomorrows edition All kinds of stuff is discussed on twitter The Sunday World wants to sell papers at all costs and is taking a chance The girl concerned has a right to privacy under the law Reply With Quote 17 04 2011 12 52 AM 44 goatstoe View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Sep 2010 Posts 1 023 Re What s in the Sunday Papers Originally Posted by Kid Ryder Two reasons one is ongoing investigation and possible legal proceedings into very serious alleged offences the other is the fear of libel suits if the rumours circulating on the web and journalist circles happen to be off the mark How come the Sunday World are prepared to put the story up on their front page Have they enough financial muscle behind them to take a potential hit perhaps Reply With Quote 17 04 2011 12 53 AM 45 Griska View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Moderator Join Date Aug 2010 Location Dublin Ireland Posts 5 356 Re What s in the Sunday Papers Originally Posted by goatstoe Am curious why would online sites not discuss something that s being openly discussed on twitter anyway I m referring to the Sunday World front page in tomorrows edition Personally I would have nothing to do with a site that carries discussions of such a nature Reply With Quote Page 3 of 191 First 1 2 3 4 5 13 53 103 Last Jump to page Quick Navigation News Media and the Internet Top Site Areas Settings Private Messages Subscriptions Who s Online Search Forums Forums Home Forums Political World Our Forum Community Welcome and Introductions Using this Forum Please Read Before Posting Events and Campaigns Political World Group Blog Political World Video Channel Off Topic Members Only Sports Bar Members Only Premoderated Threads Irish Politics News Politics and Current Affairs Irish Politics The State of the Nation The Presidency The Oireachtas The Daíl and Senate Oireachtas Weekly Schedules 31st Daíl Department of Transport and Communications Department of Finance The Department of the Taoiseach Department of Agriculture Food and the Marine Department of Public Services and Reform Department of Communications Energy and Natural Resources Department of Health Department of Education Department of Environment Housing Planning Department of Justice and Defence An Garda Siochána Department of Social Protection The Good Friday Agreement Irish Politics Politics of the North Information and Data Resources Irish Government Local Government in Ireland Ireland Political Parties and Groups Fine Gael The Green Party Fianna Fail Sinn Fein Amhrán Nua The Socialist Party The Labour Party Fís Nua Eirigí The Workers Party Workers Solidarity Movement Irish Liberal Party Direct Democracy Ireland The Peoples Movement The Peoples Alliance Democracy Now Spanish Irish Group Claiming Our Future Independents United Left Alliance ULA Conference 2012 Pre Conference Discussion Threads Irish Republican Socialist Party 32CSM NI21 Communist Party of Ireland The Peoples Convention WUAG Libertas Ganley CAWHT The Freeman Movement Attack the Tax Official Republican Movement Party Coalitions and Alliances The 1916 Societies CAPTA The Anti Austerity Alliance The Daíl Technical Group Republican Sinn Fein Independent Alliance Renua Traveller Groups and Issues Democratic Unionist Party SDLP Alliance Party Traditional Unionist Voice Conservative and Ulster Unionist Party RNU People Before Profit Socialist Workers Party The Pirate Party Trade Unions and Related Organisations INTO ICTU SIPTU IMPACT The Independent Workers Union Irish National Union of the Unemployed CPSU UNITE The

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  • What's in the Sunday Papers ? - Page 191
    An Garda Siochána Department of Social Protection The Good Friday Agreement Irish Politics Politics of the North Information and Data Resources Irish Government Local Government in Ireland Ireland Political Parties and Groups Fine Gael The Green Party Fianna Fail Sinn Fein Amhrán Nua The Socialist Party The Labour Party Fís Nua Eirigí The Workers Party Workers Solidarity Movement Irish Liberal Party Direct Democracy Ireland The Peoples Movement The Peoples Alliance Democracy Now Spanish Irish Group Claiming Our Future Independents United Left Alliance ULA Conference 2012 Pre Conference Discussion Threads Irish Republican Socialist Party 32CSM NI21 Communist Party of Ireland The Peoples Convention WUAG Libertas Ganley CAWHT The Freeman Movement Attack the Tax Official Republican Movement Party Coalitions and Alliances The 1916 Societies CAPTA The Anti Austerity Alliance The Daíl Technical Group Republican Sinn Fein Independent Alliance Renua Traveller Groups and Issues Democratic Unionist Party SDLP Alliance Party Traditional Unionist Voice Conservative and Ulster Unionist Party RNU People Before Profit Socialist Workers Party The Pirate Party Trade Unions and Related Organisations INTO ICTU SIPTU IMPACT The Independent Workers Union Irish National Union of the Unemployed CPSU UNITE The Trade Union Left Forum Mandate Economy and Employment Ireland the EFSF and the IMF World Economy European Economy The Irish Economy Exchequer Figures and Other Irish Economic Data The IFSC and German Banks in Ireland Privatisation PPPs and Outsourcing The Irish Oligarchy NAMA The National Asset Management Agency Anglo Irish Bank Scandal Irish Banks Crisis Not inc Anglo Irish Employment and Unemployment The Irish Bank Guarantee Mortgages and Personal Debt Irish Economic Overview and Analysis Sovereign Debt Irish Construction Industry and Property Price Rises and Drops inflation deflation Irish Budget 2014 Irish Budget 2016 Irish Budget 2015 Irish Budget 2013 Transport and Infrastructure Irish Budget 2011 2012 and 4 Year Plan 2011 2015 Elections and Referenda Forum Irish National Opinion Polls Forthcoming General Election 2014 2016 Carlow Kilkenny Constituency Forum Cavan Monaghan Constituency Forum Clare Constituency Forum Cork East Constituency Forum Cork North Central Constituency Forum Cork North West Constituency Forum Cork South Central Constituency Forum Cork South West Constituency Forum Kerry Constituency Forum Donegal Constituency Forum Dublin Fingal Constituency Forum Roscommon Galway Constituency Forum Dublin Rathdown Constituency Forum Dublin Bay South Constituency Forum Dublin Bay North Constituency Laois Constituency Forum Offaly Constituency Forum Tipperary Constituency Forum Limerick County Constituency Forum Sligo Leitrim Constituency Forum Dublin South Central Constituency Forum Dublin Central Constituency Forum Dublin Mid West Constituency Forum Dublin South West Constituency Forum Dublin North West Constituency Forum Dublin West Constituency Forum Dún Laoghaire Constituency Forum Galway East Constituency Forum Galway West Constituency Forum Kildare North Constituency Forum Kildare South Constituency Forum Limerick City Constituency Forum Longford West Meath Constituency Forum Louth Constituency Forum Mayo Constituency Forum Meath East Constituency Forum Meath West Constituency Forum Waterford Constituency Forum Wexford Constituency Forum Wicklow Constituency Forum Northern Ireland Elections European Election 2014 Northern Ireland Elections Local Councils Belfast City North Down and Ards District Antrim and Newtown Abbey District Lisburn City and Castlereagh District

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  • Irish Times Poll 04/02/2016 - FG 28% (-2) / FF21% (+2) / LAB 7% (NC) / SF 19% (-2) / IND+OTHERS 25% (+2)
    with respect to their national poll figures as their support is concentrated in a few strong constituencies rather than being more evenly spread Reply With Quote 05 02 2016 04 17 PM 11 Shaadi View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Oct 2011 Posts 3 129 Re Irish Times Poll 04 02 2016 FG 28 2 FF21 2 LAB 7 NC SF 19 2 IND OTHERS 25 2 Originally Posted by riposte Shaadi the negative or plus bonus does not apply to the Indo s as they are not coherent body They won t be Independents there ll be AAA PBP SDs Renua Green WUAG and Independents In 2011 they had 17 2 and 19 seats now there are around 28 of them in the Dail and they have critical mass and are the most transfer friendly block In 2011 they had a negative seat bonus of approx 30 this time with an increased vote share against a very fractured party system and plenty of SF transfers in any constituencies where SF are weak they ll be on for the 3rd seat in 3 seaters etc To reflect their better position I cut their negative seat bonus down to 25 IIRC the bookies have them above 30 and the pundits have them on even more It s too difficult to try and split this disparate group up with swings and roundabouts I m very confident of their overall conversion rate There are some serious new Inds hitting the scene down the West Coast Emmett O Brien Limerick County John Paul O Shea and Michael Collins in Cork councillors who took figures of 4 000 each in the Locals Reply With Quote 05 02 2016 04 23 PM 12 Shaadi View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Oct 2011 Posts 3 129 Re Irish Times Poll 04 02 2016 FG 28 2 FF21 2 LAB 7 NC SF 19 2 IND OTHERS 25 2 Originally Posted by Richardbouvet Smaller parties like SD Renua and PBP could benefit from a positive seat bonus with respect to their national poll figures as their support is concentrated in a few strong constituencies rather than being more evenly spread Quite possible Although this time all those groups are running as many candidates as possible so maybe just the SDs will achieve a neutral seat bonus 2 is 3 seats the SDs have 3 seats locked down those 3 will take 1 5 and there s another 1 5 nationally likely to go their way making it 3 for 3 seats which would be a negative seat bonus The pollsters are simply not going to be able to measure the potential vote of the micro parties Reply With Quote 05 02 2016 04 25 PM 13 C Flower View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Administrator Join Date Feb 2010 Location Rockall Posts 74 918 Re Irish Times Poll 04 02 2016 FG 28 2 FF21 2 LAB 7 NC SF 19 2 IND OTHERS 25 2 Originally Posted by Shaadi Not really as Enda Kenny said about SF and FF we work with them all the time at Local level Politics is about dealing with the reality of what s in front of you and doing the best you can Note the best you can part if your best is working against the interest of the public then you deserve to be booted out After that you just got to get on with trying to build a fair and decent society Well as the previous post illustrates the public counts for little or nothing voter blocs are what get politicians elected FG is all about transferring wealth from one part of the public to another Would you agree that the idea that the interests of two classes with opposing interests the working class in Ireland and global capitalists can both be served by making a coalition government is for the birds and for Irish journos political pundits The proof of the pudding has been in the FG Lab performance Sinn Fein on the ground is at odds with the left Indos all the time SF is politically very close to Fianna Fail It is associated with Irish sovereignty a fair deal for the little man at the expense of looking after a few undesirable connections It has little in common with the left We cannot withdraw our cards from the game Were we as silent and mute as stones our very passivity would be an act Jean Paul Sartre Reply With Quote 05 02 2016 04 27 PM 14 C Flower View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Administrator Join Date Feb 2010 Location Rockall Posts 74 918 Re Irish Times Poll 04 02 2016 FG 28 2 FF21 2 LAB 7 NC SF 19 2 IND OTHERS 25 2 Originally Posted by riposte Shaadi the negative or plus bonus does not apply to the Indo s as they are not coherent body They are getting more coherent all the time there is the right Independent Alliance and the Right2Change lot Then there is SD which is a form of Independent Labour We cannot withdraw our cards from the game Were we as silent and mute as stones our very passivity would be an act Jean Paul Sartre Reply With Quote 05 02 2016 04 29 PM 15 C Flower View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Administrator Join Date Feb 2010 Location Rockall Posts 74 918 Re Irish Times Poll 04 02 2016 FG 28 2 FF21 2 LAB 7 NC SF 19 2 IND OTHERS 25 2 Originally Posted by Shaadi Quite possible Although this time all those groups are running as many candidates as possible so maybe just the SDs will achieve a neutral seat bonus 2 is 3 seats the SDs have 3 seats locked down those 3 will take 1 5 and there s another 1 5 nationally likely to go their

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  • Irish Times Poll 04/02/2016 - FG 28% (-2) / FF21% (+2) / LAB 7% (NC) / SF 19% (-2) / IND+OTHERS 25% (+2) - Page 2
    push on with the neoliberal agenda and were replaced by a bankers dictatorship they are not neutral at all but an even less democratic form of capitalist government FG would not have formed a coalition with any party that was going to shorten its period in power on a matter of principled defence of the working class The world and manufacturing has changed utterly since the days of the mills to get from the A of where we are to the B of where you want to go is largely a pipe dream Cheap manufacturing technology has allowed for the creation of enough resource wealth to sate everyone s reasonable desires What is getting in the way is the selfish greed of the bourgeois technocratic classes and the corruption of the relationship between that class and the one class who are the biggest wealth stealers in the system The factories still exist in fact are bigger than ever but are now spread out globally rather than concentrated in the west Corruption buying off of a section of workers and generation of debt to fund doing that goes on all the time I think that the loss through the underdigested experience of the Soviet Union and its collapse of any form of believed in utopian socialist future is at present a big stumbling block to development At present those who wish at all costs to hold on to capitalism are doing a much more persuasive and effective job than those who say they want to replace it with socialism The financial industry with their monopoly games and system control on all our finances especially Govt are the people who are bleeding us all Manufacturing Capitalists and Working class alike In the world we live in at national level the best we can do is provide for better wealth distribution of the sufficient wealth we do have in this county Revolutionary forces that want to overthrow the world order will be crushed by a united Capitalist world so they are ultimately doomed and indulging in hobbyism in the world we live in The problem with the real left as they are called is that we have seen over and over again the Animal Farm effect destroy the credibility of these political groups in the long run A look at the former comrades in SFWP shows the pointlessness of waiting for the revolution Politics all over the world is strewn with former leftists who ve betrayed the working class as middle aged greed turns many of them into selfish technocrats The fight now is for workers rights health housing and a streamlining of public services that would remove the reams of useless overpaid managers and their self propagating management systems The battle for the working class is to realise who exactly is the enemy and to realise that the bourgeoisie and bankers are intent on farming them like they were cattle It will take courage and intelligence to ensure that the population at large isn t farmed by a local and international parasitical class The battle begins at national level I would think so and to properly understand what is going to happen in the GE will need a careful consideration of what the competition at individual constituency level will throw up QUOTE Late now I ll return to these points in the morning We cannot withdraw our cards from the game Were we as silent and mute as stones our very passivity would be an act Jean Paul Sartre Reply With Quote 06 02 2016 02 46 AM 18 Shaadi View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Oct 2011 Posts 3 129 Re Irish Times Poll 04 02 2016 FG 28 2 FF21 2 LAB 7 NC SF 19 2 IND OTHERS 25 2 Originally Posted by C Flower Well as the previous post illustrates the public counts for little or nothing voter blocs are what get politicians elected FG is all about transferring wealth from one part of the public to another Would you agree that the idea that the interests of two classes with opposing interests the working class in Ireland and global capitalists can both be served by making a coalition government is for the birds and for Irish journos political pundits The proof of the pudding has been in the FG Lab performance Sinn Fein on the ground is at odds with the left Indos all the time SF is politically very close to Fianna Fail It is associated with Irish sovereignty a fair deal for the little man at the expense of looking after a few undesirable connections It has little in common with the left Originally Posted by C Flower Thanks for this very meaty reply That is full of accurate insight I think As you say the politics of SF and FF are similar but the formative experiences are very different SF has experienced not so long ago harsh actions by the British State but was also infiltrated wholesale and was always up for compromise a deal Fianna Fail emerged out of an anti imperialist struggle of huge importance but stole the clothes of that struggle rather than continued it and in power arrested social progress Yes not of the working class but buying its votes Peronism just a touch of And all of this as you suggest part of the wider global development at each stage Not sure about that There are so many accounts of SF making major decisions in a completely top down way that resulted in a lot of very serious and experienced people quitting the party and quitting politics Eirigi was one such split originating in Dublin but then ovewhelmed with the disgruntled departing SF in the north and with god knows what else and subsequently appearing to lose their left political element and melting into semi obscurity They are in a reformist comfort zone over focused on parliamentary politics A simple litmus test for me was support for the Magdalene laundry workers who had never been paid The left parties were nowhere to be seen on this There are other instances I could give but just on this one issue I would say they are exposed as middle class protest groups with no grasp of class politics The term Technocratic Government so far as I m aware emerged in the period post 2008 in Europe in which mass protest made it difficult for some governments to push on with the neoliberal agenda and were replaced by a bankers dictatorship they are not neutral at all but an even less democratic form of capitalist government FG would not have formed a coalition with any party that was going to shorten its period in power on a matter of principled defence of the working class The factories still exist in fact are bigger than ever but are now spread out globally rather than concentrated in the west Corruption buying off of a section of workers and generation of debt to fund doing that goes on all the time I think that the loss through the underdigested experience of the Soviet Union and its collapse of any form of believed in utopian socialist future is at present a big stumbling block to development At present those who wish at all costs to hold on to capitalism are doing a much more persuasive and effective job than those who say they want to replace it with socialism Late now I ll return to these points in the morning By Technocratic governance I don t mean just by appointed overseers for such groups as the Troika I mean at every level there are functionaries and systems dictating how the individual unions and factories behave Note the almost complete reluctance to regulate the financial industry despite the huge threat to the wealth of society it is Everything else policing waste management green bin brown bin where you can walk etc reams of law and regulation All chock full of multiple layers of management and consultants all backed up by law and agreements that can t be changed by mere democracy That s just the way it is no we couldn t possibly change the rules because the commission says no and that s that If you look at the Irish Labour party this is manna from heaven to them No need to be productive you fill your boots in a range of system management roles and stuff your cronies into over paid positions That s the way the EU and most governance is run The system and its institutions have usurped democracy The individual despairs What the people want or need means nothing The system runs in a technocratic way and the systems governs as suits the system Last edited by Shaadi 06 02 2016 at 02 51 AM Reply With Quote 06 02 2016 07 21 AM 19 barrym View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Oct 2010 Posts 1 262 Re Irish Times Poll 04 02 2016 FG 28 2 FF21 2 LAB 7 NC SF 19 2 IND OTHERS 25 2 Originally Posted by riposte Indo s and others at 25 should give them 40 seats Rubbish 20 Max Consequence of PR May have high but won t survive the counts without transfers from the heavyweights Reply With Quote 06 02 2016 07 26 AM 20 barrym View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Oct 2010 Posts 1 262 Re Irish Times Poll 04 02 2016 FG 28 2 FF21 2 LAB 7 NC SF 19 2 IND OTHERS 25 2 Originally Posted by C Flower Ghastly political prospect for the leaders of Sinn Fein to have the possibility to form an accidential government of SF plus Independents Ghastly Why Unlikely to get there on a SF platform but on a compromise A few years of a fairness based government what is wrong with that Is a FG FF coalition a better prospect Reply With Quote 06 02 2016 07 46 AM 21 barrym View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Oct 2010 Posts 1 262 Re Irish Times Poll 04 02 2016 FG 28 2 FF21 2 LAB 7 NC SF 19 2 IND OTHERS 25 2 Originally Posted by Shaadi What the people want or need means nothing The system runs in a technocratic way and the systems governs as suits the system 1 Despite all the focus group think obvious in the FG approach for example The various E bodies bank commission etc control the thinking Having worked with and for them the horror is that very few of their personnel have ever worked in a real job with objectives targets deadlines Also tye are out of touch with real ife they don t know anything about homelessness shortage of special needs support etc Reply With Quote 06 02 2016 10 41 AM 22 C Flower View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Administrator Join Date Feb 2010 Location Rockall Posts 74 918 Re Irish Times Poll 04 02 2016 FG 28 2 FF21 2 LAB 7 NC SF 19 2 IND OTHERS 25 2 Originally Posted by Shaadi By Technocratic governance I don t mean just by appointed overseers for such groups as the Troika I mean at every level there are functionaries and systems dictating how the individual unions and factories behave Note the almost complete reluctance to regulate the financial industry despite the huge threat to the wealth of society it is Everything else policing waste management green bin brown bin where you can walk etc reams of law and regulation All chock full of multiple layers of management and consultants all backed up by law and agreements that can t be changed by mere democracy Surely you are contradicting yourself here Finance underpins almost all policy or at least heavily influences it Both through deliberate pro market lack of regulation and as a result of the deep pockets and know how to avoid regulation increasingly corporations pay virtually no tax and have zero hour contract conditions for workers When it comes to environmental legislation that too is now under serious pressure in Europe Here in Ireland as an example of how regulations are made and changed an IFA promoted Bill has been passed to allow August hedge cutting That s just the way it is no we couldn t possibly change the rules because the commission says no and that s that If you look at the Irish Labour party this is manna from heaven to them No need to be productive you fill your boots in a range of system management roles and stuff your cronies into over paid positions That s the way the EU and most governance is run The system and its institutions have usurped democracy The individual despairs The Commission is ultimately political and rules get changed at the behest of the best funded lobbyists who are an engrained part of the Brussels system The system is not neutral and efficiency based it is a bureaucracy run at the expense of the non wealthy to protect the interests of the wealthy The teeth and claws were bared when it came to ousting democratic governments and installing banker reps in Greece and Italy Any elected left government in Ireland would come under the same onslaught by the markets and the EU instititions and IMF as Syriza did and should have a Plan b c and d for dealing with it What the people want or need means nothing The system runs in a technocratic way and the systems governs as suits the system The system is at base a capitalist one If people vote for non capitalist parties very undemocratic means have been used to put a stop to real social and economic change This and not the employment of bureaucrats in functionary roles is what I think prohibits democracy Last edited by C Flower 06 02 2016 at 10 47 AM We cannot withdraw our cards from the game Were we as silent and mute as stones our very passivity would be an act Jean Paul Sartre Reply With Quote 06 02 2016 10 46 AM 23 C Flower View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Administrator Join Date Feb 2010 Location Rockall Posts 74 918 Re Irish Times Poll 04 02 2016 FG 28 2 FF21 2 LAB 7 NC SF 19 2 IND OTHERS 25 2 Originally Posted by barrym Ghastly Why Unlikely to get there on a SF platform but on a compromise A few years of a fairness based government what is wrong with that Is a FG FF coalition a better prospect Apologies for the contorted and incomprensible sentence What I meant was that I think Sinn Fein would be faced with a thorny dilemma if an election result made an SF Left government a possibility I don t think it wants to follow the path of Syriza who would and certainly don t think it wants to go to the left of Syriza Really SF s political home is with a remnant of FF We cannot withdraw our cards from the game Were we as silent and mute as stones our very passivity would be an act Jean Paul Sartre Reply With Quote 07 02 2016 11 46 AM 24 Shaadi View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Oct 2011 Posts 3 129 Re Irish Times Poll 04 02 2016 FG 28 2 FF21 2 LAB 7 NC SF 19 2 IND OTHERS 25 2 Originally Posted by C Flower Surely you are contradicting yourself here Finance underpins almost all policy or at least heavily influences it Both through deliberate pro market lack of regulation and as a result of the deep pockets and know how to avoid regulation increasingly corporations pay virtually no tax and have zero hour contract conditions for workers When it comes to environmental legislation that too is now under serious pressure in Europe Here in Ireland as an example of how regulations are made and changed an IFA promoted Bill has been passed to allow August hedge cutting The Commission is ultimately political and rules get changed at the behest of the best funded lobbyists who are an engrained part of the Brussels system The system is not neutral and efficiency based it is a bureaucracy run at the expense of the non wealthy to protect the interests of the wealthy The teeth and claws were bared when it came to ousting democratic governments and installing banker reps in Greece and Italy Any elected left government in Ireland would come under the same onslaught by the markets and the EU instititions and IMF as Syriza did and should have a Plan b c and d for dealing with it The system is at base a capitalist one If people vote for non capitalist parties very undemocratic means have been used to put a stop to real social and economic change This and not the employment of bureaucrats in functionary roles is what I think prohibits democracy I ll explain myself more clearly In simple terms there is productive capitalism That would be the likes of agriculture industrial manufacting and the provision of services essential and non essential such as the production and delivery of entertainment personal vanity projects etc This productive capitalism meets human needs and wants as would productive socialism or any other way that could be thought of to produce the goods and services that allow us to function with varying degrees of comfort in our lives There is a natural ongoing battle between productive capitalism and their workforces for wages and competitive prices Public pressure competion for business and trade unions provide the means to wage that battle and there are varying results The fewer middlemen taking their cut from the production of services to end

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    Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Aug 2010 Location Dublin Posts 1 680 Re The things people stick on lampposts thread Thanks all glad you like the thread Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits Tell AFA they usually do or if you want to PM me the location if its near me I ll stick a load of CAHWT labels over it if its in town Hi fluffy that one is at the back of the Franciscan church on merchants quay Cook Street I think it is called That is Christchurch in the background and it is right outside the methadone clinic Maybe they were trying to target people at a low point in their lives Originally Posted by Cass Would there be any harm adding approximate location and date of photo No problem they were all taken over the last two weeks and I will add location All except this one taken today East Wall Dublin 3 Full set of éirígí stickers Blackhall place That is the Solicitors HQ on the left formerly a hospital the Kings Hospital Designed by Thomas Ivory not James Gandon as some Solicitors maintain The Barristers HQ called the Kings Inns is the Gandon building Blackhall place named after Lord Mayor Sir Thomas Blackhall Near Smithfield someone took care over this piece of street art Same area not so much care Reply With Quote 11 04 2013 10 38 PM 13 eamo View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Aug 2010 Location Dublin Posts 1 680 Re The things people stick on lampposts thread Some more Not sure where I got this one Opposite Greek embassy Merrion sq It reads sometimes anti social always anti fascist Clasped hands again around Smithfield Reply With Quote 11 04 2013 10 42 PM 14 C Flower View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Administrator Join Date Feb 2010 Location Rockall Posts 74 918 Re The things people stick on lampposts thread Quite inspiring We cannot withdraw our cards from the game Were we as silent and mute as stones our very passivity would be an act Jean Paul Sartre Reply With Quote 12 04 2013 03 34 PM 15 fluffybiscuits View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Aug 2011 Location hiding inside Brendan Gleesons underwear drawer Posts 13 464 Re The things people stick on lampposts thread Thanks all glad you like the thread Hi fluffy that one is at the back of the Franciscan church on merchants quay Cook Street I think it is called That is Christchurch in the background and it is right outside the methadone clinic Maybe they were trying to target people at a low point in their lives I think I know where you are talking about I should be around there tommorrow and will sticker over it Cheers Great thread Superb insight into what is out there History is the only true teacher the revolution the best school for the proletariat Rosa Luxembourg Reply With Quote Page 1 of 38 1 2 3 11 Last Jump to page Quick Navigation Society and Culture Top Site Areas Settings Private Messages Subscriptions Who s Online Search Forums Forums Home Forums Political World Our Forum 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    25 eamo View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Aug 2010 Location Dublin Posts 1 680 Re The things people stick on lampposts thread The freemen are gas their stickers are usually giving mad advice or telling the Sheriff to Vacate now Posters like these two are all over the place I only once saw this poster its as if someone was getting impatient at the delay in Sheriff and Bar vacating I did think it was funny Reply With Quote 14 04 2013 12 26 AM 26 Hapax View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Nov 2010 Location Elsewhere Posts 810 Re The things people stick on lampposts thread Originally Posted by eamo I am delighted to learn that I am not the only one daft enough to take photos of this stuff Maybe we should start an appreciation society or maybe a help line and support group would be better Safety in numbers eh They ll have to lock the pair of us up Here s a couple of more longwinded ones This first one is from just off Patrick s hill Cork about seven or so years ago Obviously a guy who s ready at last for some heavy commitment And this one s from Lucca in Italy last September As with the no tav thanks PaddyJoe I m a little vague on the specifics though I get the general political line Reply With Quote 16 04 2013 11 58 AM 27 fluffybiscuits View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Aug 2011 Location hiding inside Brendan Gleesons underwear drawer Posts 13 464 Re The things people stick on lampposts thread The Palmsterstown Saints ones are run by a crowd called Shed End Invincibles nice crew and fairly much lefties like ourselves History is the only true teacher the revolution the best school for the proletariat Rosa Luxembourg Reply With Quote 28 04 2013 10 07 PM 28 eamo View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Aug 2010 Location Dublin Posts 1 680 Re The things people stick on lampposts thread Today Westmorland St That is O Connells bridge in the background Today City Quay Outrageous suggestion from someone who is not keeping up with the program Certainly a job for the thought police Today City Quay Don t it make you feel stoned just looking at it Reply With Quote 28 04 2013 10 24 PM 29 eamo View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Aug 2010 Location Dublin Posts 1 680 Re The things people stick on lampposts thread All today Here is an officially sanctioned mural beside Kevin St Garda station Just around the corner on Bride St is a more meaningful stencil by the CPI Communist Party of Ireland I presume and across the road some pissed off citisen was having their say and on the same junction were the usual random stickers which I have not got a clue about Reply With Quote 28 04 2013 10 44 PM 30 eamo View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Aug 2010 Location Dublin Posts 1 680 Re The things people stick on lampposts thread And here is the image well a link to the image that the CPI stencil is based on I know most of you know that but this is for anyone who doesn t Aj Chopra is was deputy head of the IMF in Europe when he arrived in Dublin he walked from the 5star Merion Hotel to the Irish Department of finance to take control To some peoples embarrassment the general reaction was WOW isint he GREAT did you see the way he WALKED from hotel to office As I have said before it was then that I realised just how f ked we were http images tmcnet com featurestor sis JPEG 9 jpg On a happier note some more football stickers Shamrock Rovers Ultras A bless them Reply With Quote Page 2 of 38 First 1 2 3 4 12 Last Jump to page Quick Navigation Society and Culture Top Site Areas Settings Private Messages Subscriptions Who s Online Search Forums Forums Home Forums Political World Our Forum Community Welcome and Introductions Using this Forum Please Read Before Posting Events and Campaigns Political World Group Blog Political World Video Channel Off Topic Members Only 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    The things people stick on lampposts thread QUOTE eamo 339360 I stopped to take a pic of this piece of street art by the luas line behind the four courts Ní neart go cur le cheile its not finished till it s put together i e it ain t over till its over I haven t seen that anywhere else Anyone know what it is all about QUOTE Ní neart go chur le chéile No strength until we pull together co operate The snake in the flames is hardly a logo for Sustainable Energy Ireland Reply With Quote 04 06 2013 04 12 PM 42 fluffybiscuits View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Aug 2011 Location hiding inside Brendan Gleesons underwear drawer Posts 13 464 Re The things people stick on lampposts thread QUOTE Spectabilis 339390 Originally Posted by eamo I stopped to take a pic of this piece of street art by the luas line behind the four courts Ní neart go cur le cheile its not finished till it s put together i e it ain t over till its over I haven t seen that anywhere else Anyone know what it is all about QUOTE Ní neart go chur le chéile No strength until we pull together co operate The snake in the flames is hardly a logo for Sustainable Energy Ireland Its St Pats FC thts the club motto There is a group down the club called the Shed End Invincibles a clique fan group that organise displays etc History is the only true teacher the revolution the best school for the proletariat Rosa Luxembourg Reply With Quote 04 06 2013 10 58 PM 43 eamo View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Aug 2010 Location Dublin Posts 1 680 Re The things people stick on lampposts thread Originally Posted by fluffy Its St Pats FC thts the club motto There is a group down the club called the Shed End Invincibles a clique fan group that organise displays etc Thanks Fluffy I did not want to pore cold water on Spestabils suggestion but I did think it was one hell of a logo for Sustainable Energy Ireland So the S E I stands for shed end invincibles Here is a link to St Pats history page I was surprised to see they once played out of Milltown presumably Glenmalure park http www stpatsfc com history php Last edited by eamo 04 06 2013 at 11 32 PM Reply With Quote 06 06 2013 09 59 PM 44 eamo View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Aug 2010 Location Dublin Posts 1 680 Re The things people stick on lampposts thread All taken today near the Jameson Distillery The Shed End Invisibles again Reply With Quote 06 06 2013 10 07 PM 45 eamo View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Aug 2010 Location Dublin Posts 1 680 Re The things people stick on lampposts thread This outside McKennas pub Dunlaoghaire today There is a web site address at the bottom of this notice Here is a link to it http www billymcguire com Wouldn t this weather bring a smile to a lamppost The quays today Reply With Quote Page 3 of 38 First 1 2 3 4 5 13 Last Jump to page Quick Navigation Society and Culture Top Site Areas 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Profit Socialist Workers Party The Pirate Party Trade Unions and Related Organisations INTO ICTU SIPTU IMPACT The Independent Workers Union Irish National Union of the Unemployed CPSU UNITE The Trade Union Left Forum Mandate Economy and Employment Ireland the EFSF and the IMF World Economy European Economy The Irish Economy Exchequer Figures and Other Irish Economic Data The IFSC and German Banks in Ireland Privatisation PPPs and Outsourcing The Irish Oligarchy NAMA The National Asset Management Agency Anglo Irish Bank Scandal Irish Banks Crisis Not inc Anglo Irish Employment and Unemployment The Irish Bank Guarantee Mortgages and Personal Debt Irish Economic Overview and Analysis Sovereign Debt Irish Construction Industry and Property Price Rises and Drops inflation deflation Irish Budget 2014 Irish Budget 2016 Irish Budget 2015 Irish Budget 2013 Transport and Infrastructure Irish Budget 2011 2012 and 4 Year Plan 2011 2015 Elections and Referenda

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