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  • Talk.Michele Tomaiuolo
    in Firefox Is it possible These cases cannot be easily recognised in Text Wiki using regular expressions The only solution I can imagine is counting the tags actually tokens generated by previous rules inside the body of a new found element to avoid encapsulating a single opening or closing tag Any suggestion MicheleTomaiuolo 2006 9 25 I ve added a check on the the inner tags At least the generated XHTML is standard compliant now even if in convoluted texts some possible elements could be missed by the parser Thanks everybody for helping and finding bugs Be patient as it s just an early release MicheleTomaiuolo 2006 9 25 I m using DOM to build the XML XHTML thereby ensuring the output is atleast XML compliant Here is my current method for handling bold case if i l string i i if parent nodeName strong parent parent parentNode else if parent nodeName em parent parentNode nodeName strong parent parent parentNode parentNode else parent parent appendChild doc createElement strong else this appendText parent break So for input of italic bold italic bold it ll currently output em italic strong bold italic strong em bold But I m unsure if this should be improved upon Perhaps the strong should be re opened after the closing em as in em italic strong bold italic strong em strong bold strong JaredWilliams 2006 9 25 Yes I used the view selection source in firefox shame on me forgot it does some tidy ing As for support for crossing the tags it s not needed Creole says that this is not allowed so the output is not defined of course as it should be NonDestructive markup you should display something and it s nice if that something is valid X HTML I think that em italic

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  • Talk.Multiline List Items
    automatically inserts Hard Line Breaks it forbids breaking the text where it is appropriate semantically and aestetically It s also inconsistent with how paragraphs behave And I see no harm in introducing it other than MakeTheMachineWorkHarder Radomir Dopieralski I think I understand the idea and now it worries me even further I people suddenly start supporting Creole in wikis with a lot of content for example Wikipedia and we include this rule a lot of content that has been written could suddenly be included in the last bullet item I don t know if this could be a problem but it seems dangerous to me to modify the way wiki engines end bullet lists Perhaps it would be best to list this as a best practice but to leave it up to the wiki developer Would this be a suitable compromise Chuck Smith 2007 Apr 26 Then you have other reasons to worry If people suddenly start to support Creole blindly in Wikipedia all unnumbered lists will be broken with or without this proposal FYI there were 20064 lines starting with a single hyphen in fr wikipedia org in January It depends whether you want Creole to be a self contained markup language or just some advices for promoting convergence of a few constructs If you leave it up to the implementers even new engines based on Creole will be incompatible YvesPiguet 2007 Apr 26 Were there really 20064 lines starting with a hyphen with a line break in front of them in the French Wikipedia How did you find this out Chuck Smith 2007 Apr 27 I think so Please be kind if I made a stupid regexp mistake grep frwiki 20070131 pages articles xml wc 20064 316762 2104799 grep frwiki 20070131 pages articles xml wc 32184660 229584507 2007434942 ls l frwiki 20070131 pages articles xml rw r r 1 XX YY 2012412288 Feb 10 02 08 frwiki 20070131 pages articles xml The database must come from http download wikimedia org I remember having picked it because I had enough room on my hard disk Someone with more room and bandwidth can check with en wikipedia org YvesPiguet 2007 Apr 27 cat plwiki 20070420 pages articles xml bz2 bunzip2 egrep wc l 39380 wget http download wikimedia org enwiki 20070402 enwiki 20070402 pages articles xml bz2 O bunzip2 egrep wc l In progress but you don t need much room if you do it this way Radomir Dopieralski 2007 Apr 27 You re right I should have written someone with more room or bandwith I ve just checked with more instead of wc some hyphens are for ad hoc lists which would be rendered as multiple one item lists probably harmless and some are for dialogs see e g http fr wikipedia org wiki Pythagore Politique On the other hand I wouldn t like the question to be hidden behind statistics which everybody will interpret differently It seems pretty obvious that tens of gigabytes cannot be moved easily to

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  • Talk.Multiline Placeholder Proposal
    front page of a use of this I m trying to put my head around the concept and right now it seems too abstract I am currently considering whether to put this into Creole 0 5 or not ChuckSmith 2007 Feb 05 I think it s for something like MoinMoin s Parser Plugins They are a very nice way of extending the engine a little similar to CrossMark s macros RadomirDopieralski 2007 02 05 http www wikicreole org wiki Images Images suggests expanding the use for plugin content inclusion Which is the way I have gone combined with namespaces Eg in recentchanges include internal wiki recent changes ext googlemap include google map mypage page inclusion myimage image In the google map example I want to be able to feed in a set of long lats for markers One idea would be to store them in a different page And have something like ext googlemap RealAlePubsInUK so the plugin pulls the latest revision of RealAlePubsInUK and feeds the google map What maybe nice to be able to label a block of data so can reuse the data within the page and have RealAlePubsInUK long lat blah blah ext googlemap RealAlePubsInUK JaredWilliams 2007 02 05 The Sensei s Library has an example of one extremely useful feature that could be made using this plugin syntax One could imagine simlar plugins for creating notes and even downloadable midi files on a music related wiki colored ASCII art ANSI art various boxes and signs or even just syntax highlighted code RadomirDopieralski 2007 02 05 I ve implemented MultilinePlaceholderProposal cf http nyctergatis com creole sandbox creole YvesPiguet 2007 02 06 Radomir could you please link to the example in Sensei s Library that you were referring to I m even a 15 kyu Go player

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  • Talk.Newline Space
    iew A ttach I nfo New line spaces I could hardly believe it when I read the test case If I want a as the first character on a line I will and have just put it on the newline and obviously I will find it produces a bullet point Obviously a in any other position does not produce a bullet so the intuitive thing is to put in a space to remove it from the beginning of the line so that it will not produce a bullet point Contrary to common sense creole allows parsers to igore this obvioius attempt to get a at the beginning of a line and forces the user to try something else There are many instances when a user would want a on the first line E g a mathematical formula that is too long for one line a list not intended to use bullet To be honest it never ever occurred to me that someone would make aspecification that prevented you putting a at thebeginning of a line LET ME REINTERATE A GOOD PRINCIPLE MARKUP SHOULD BE AN EXCEPTION NOT THE DEFAULT YOU NEED TO KNOW SOMETHING IN ORDER TO START MARKUP YOU

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  • Talk.Newlines
    original specification Take e g the simple need for references in any decent wiki and look at global warming there are over 100 references in a single article many mentioned numerous times Look at any decent book and you will find footnotes Anyway thankyou very much for all your effort I ve probably made some very crass comments in my attempt to get to grips with the Creole specification largely because I don t think you intended it to be a specification I will certainly pop in when I get around to tidying up the various applications that rely on my son of creole specification As for newlines in tables indeed as for tables there really is so little clarity in the creole specification and the issue is so complicated that I m trying not to think about it as otherwise I would get bogged down trying to recreate some kind of simple syntax which most people would be able to remember To boldly go where no man has gone before regards Mike I was going to say it not only works on my wiki but is mildy humous but apparently it doesn t The final sequence was intended to be lifting off into the unknown a subscript normal and superscript side by side literally The problem is that the control code is real and what needs to be escaped is the single character The problem occurs with a sequence of bold normal stars and any other format Strategies Invent two escape characters one for tokens and one for single characters Invent a virtual space which is a space recognised in the syntax but which does not give rise to a space in the output allowing to be read as a followed immediately by a superscript Or perhaps I should

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  • Talk.News_blogentry_070107_1
    from bold indented block markup I ll put my preferences in Raph s 0 4 recommendations RaphLevien 2007 01 07 PS I didn t find the title of this page helpful I m sorry I somehow confused the version number Fixed now I added the indented block markup to the to be further discussed list this is purely my personal feeling but as the quiting markup this didn t have enough discussion As for the whitespace after the bullet I think the discussion resolves it Feel free to continue it if you don t agree then we will put it back on the agenda The page s name is automatically generated I don t now the exact algorithm I just clicked new news item RadomirDopieralski 2007 01 07 I don t agree that the discussion resolves the whitespace after bullet question and will take that up on the Talk List page as you suggest I too would love to see more discussion of indented block markup From what I can tell it s in widespread use on UseMod derived wikis and I m probably not the only one who would miss it But if there s not consensus that it belongs in the Creole core it s not the end of the world I m sure lots of people have their pet feature they d like to see go in RaphLevien 2007 01 07 allow at the end of nowiki and preformatted blocks What do you mean by that define three kinds of emphasis but don t define their presentation I strongly disagree with this as Creole already just proposes a recommendation of their XHTML The final presentation is left up to the wiki developer and admin Also the casual user has no clue about presentation and semantics They just

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  • Talk.Nyctergatis
    library It s documented with Doxygen comments It s still a work in progress I won t be able to spend much time on a long term commitment I d be curious to have more opinions YvesPiguet 2007 Mar 20 There are several options Your code could be used as a reference parser and it could be improved by anyone and also be ported to other languages Your code could also just be used as an example It could help others e g me as I d like to see how it works If you do not opensource your code I still would propose to keep the idea of writing one working parser in such a way that it can be easily adopted for all Wiki engines What I am currently interested Your code is able to convert the Creole markup into several other languages like HTML or LaTeX I currently assume that your parser reads in the Creole markup independently of the required output format and what is actually written out can be easily changed Or did you write separate parsers for each of the output languages It could also be that it would not be that useful to adopt your parser for others for example because their Creole parser is integrated into their engines existing markup parser But for JSPWiki the Creole markup is just converted by a separate page filter to normal JSPWiki markup and then rendered by the default JSPWiki parser Not the best way but with a flexible output format it could also be changed to output HTML directly instead of JSPWiki markup Some questions Do you think your code could be easily adopted for other languages perl python java php Would it make sense to do this Is it easy to change the parser when the input markup changes Is it easy to customize the output SteffenSchramm 2007 Mar 20 I ve added a link to Doxygen documentation of Nyctergatis engine interface to YvesPiguet This will make it more difficult to retract now If I opensource the engine it should be under the BSD license Answers to your questions Java and Python most probably PHP probably easy maybe not very efficient because the engine doesn t rely on any library so it goes down to low level stuff such as folding CRLF sequences Concerning Perl based on my ancient experience it would be possible but I wouldn t like to do it myself I think Perl is more suited to tasks where some of its built in capabilities such as regexp can be exploited that would require more work My approach would be to compile the engine either as a standalone command line application as it s done now and to call it from these languages or maybe to compile it as an extension for these languages Maintaining separate implementations in parallel would require much more work Yes I think so Things which require lookahead over more than a few characters would be more

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  • Talk.Oddmuse
    n two ol li one li ol ul li two li ul bold strong bold strong italic em italic em bold italic italic strong em bold italic em strong em italic em bold italic bold em strong bold italic strong em strong bold strong foo foo foo h2 foo h2 foo h3 foo h3 foo h4 foo h4 foo foo foo h2 foo h2 foo nbar h2 foo h2 p bar p foo n nbar foo p bar p foo nbar foo br bar nfoo n pre class real foo n pre nfoo code nfoo code foo bar foo code bar code hr hr Some XPATH tests that test class attributes as well The exact results are useless to other developers The cases that Oddmuse is known to handle well however is of interest http www wikicreole org a class url http outside href http www wikicreole org text http www wikicreole org http www wikicreole org a class url http href http www wikicreole org text http www wikicreole org http www wikicreole org a class url http href http www wikicreole org text http www wikicreole org http www wikicreole org Visit the WikiCreole website a class url http outside href http www wikicreole org text Visit the WikiCreole website http www wikicreole org Visit the nWikiCreole website a class url http outside href http www wikicreole org text Visit the nWikiCreole website link a text link link Go to my page a class local href http localhost test pl link text Go to my page link Go to nmy page a class local href http localhost test pl link text Go to nmy page pic a class image href http localhost test pl pic img class upload src http localhost test pl download pic alt pic http

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