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  • Talk.Strike
    be called deleted text as the exact presentation depends on the style What are the use cases where this is actually required The proposed markup collides with the traditional use of to mean a dash and with the traditional signatures so it s not CollisionFree RadomirDopieralski 2006 12 15 Agreed It s useful in blog like applications but in a wiki it s just easier to delete the text I see no real use case for this and it only serves to confuse people JanneJalkanen Actually this is CollisionFree TiddlyWiki uses to mean mdash and also uses strike formatting The formatter distinguishes between a freestanding and wrapping a word or phrase This is fairly straightforward to implement I know because I implemented it for TiddlyWiki MartinBudden 2006 12 17 Not everyone puts spaces around dashes and signatures it is the current recommendation for modern typography but some people follow old style or like to experiment Also note how this looks in the raw page text as if someone inteded to insert a word surrounded by dashes just didn t make the spaces But this is a minor issue and indeed there is a million ways to solve that The fundamental issue is Do we need it hard enough to make Creole more complicated Another concern about it being CollisionFree looking at the markup summaries on Wikimatrix I see that engines use and interchangeably So no matter which one we choose for deleted text we will introduce a conflict with some of the existing markups RadomirDopieralski 2006 12 18 I agree we should keep creole simple but not simpler of course It should be possible to describe creole on a single cheet sheet I never missed this markup in jspwiki I would t count it to the common things people need

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  • Talk.Subscript
    Meetings External Discussion Promotion Recent Changes Talk Index wiki node Sandbox Copyright C by the contributors Some rights reserved license BY SA Sponsored by the Wiki Symposium and the Nuveon GmbH view find Quick search type ahead Recent Searches Clear Talk Subscript Your trail Talk SpamFilter Home Talk Spir Home Talk SteffenSchramm Home Talk StricterSyntax Home Talk Strike Home View Page Discussion V iew A ttach I nfo moved to

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  • Talk.Superscript And Subscript Proposal
    that important Hey how about an extension to Creole that turns 1 342e14 scientific notation into 1 342 10 14 one Mathching thses numbers with an regexp should be simple Or even an extension to calculate on the fly expressions like 3 40 12 And a rule that turns m2 into m² Or even an extension that adds the and for sup and sub Creole is extensible RadomirDopieralski 2007 01 11 Unicode already has superscript and subscript numbers All you need is a way to type or insert them I can do it on my computer I guess it depends on the software you have available AlexSchroeder Subscript Woudn t a MathML or LaTeX plugin for the wiki handle it much better RadomirDopieralski 2006 12 15 I strongly disagree that this is a case for MathML etc compare text for superscript above GregorHagedorn 2007 02 25 Yes I would tend to agree JanneJalkanen It would but it goes against Cover the common things people need IMO it is not as common as Superscript but if we have the latter why shouldn t we have Subscript Let s be bold and include the markup in Creole0 4 BTW I like superscript text better Easier to type on international keyboards No collision with anything EricChartre 2007 01 11 We don t have Superscript and I don t see how it is more common than subscript in general Maybe there is some particular use you have in mind like the ¹ ² ³ for footnotes for example RadomirDopieralski 2007 01 11 Beside for basic chemistry or for number variable indices I don t use it much Personally I don t want to force the end user to learn a new markup language for what I consider as a basic function in most word processors even if it is sometimes hidden For subscript I don t have anything more substantiated EricChartre 2007 01 11 Eric could you refactor the proposal page to include your argumentation for including subscript and superscript along with the proposed markup I think that I m not good for this as I find it hard to advocate something that I don t believe in but I want this to be discussed properly just in case I m wrong RadomirDopieralski 2007 01 24 I d like to just note that the use of for subscript conflicts with the notation for polish quotes and not only polish I think but I m not sure which are commonly written as polish quotes when there are no appropriate characters available and no the DOUBLE LOW 9 QUOTATION MARK character doesn t appear on polish keyboards I know that it s just 40 000 000 users but it would be extremely great if they could be taken into consideration Radomir Dopieralski 2007 Feb 07 You actually type a double comma to get a beginning quote mark Chuck Smith 2007 Mar 07 On typewriter or in LaTeX yes Radomir Dopieralski 2007 Mar 07 But do Polish

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  • Talk.Tables
    for your feedback Here s some reasoning why i think it would be useful to have those features although i could live with it not having it in the next version of creole Seperate Header Syntax Without an seperate header syntax it will be hard to control the header display by css and imho this should be possible If we don t define it we deprive advanced engines implementations of the possibility it s not clear what a double pipe at the end of a row means it simply sould not be interpreted or interpreted as the end A B so for example the behavior of JSPWiki is wrong as it interprets it as a new cell A B This is a frequent error of endusers in JSPWiki They want to close a row like this A B 1 2 it s hard to distinguish a cell following an empty one from a header cell it s required to have a space if it sould be a empty cell previous is an emty cell this cell is rendered as a heading For me the question is if we want to give engines the possibility to render headings differently After we have decided on this we can discuss what is the best syntax for it not necessarily double pipes Since I am for a seperate header syntax here s a suggestion combine headings syntax of creole with table syntax of creole This assumes that you would like to make cells bold that are not headings but you never would like to use heading syntax other than in heading cells That s why i don t suggest bold syntax Heading1 Heading 2 Heading3 cell1 cell2 cell3 then we could interpret two pipes as emty cell Also like DarioTaraborelli shows in his example above two pipes have a special meaning in other markup which would make it hard to mix markup Line breaks in cells You want to split long cells quite frequently in more complicated tables Sometimes you would like to reduce the width of the table display because only a certain line is causing the table to be wider than expected But i guess this is already to advanced We don t have dedicated characters for linebreaks in creole so far so we should leave out that syntax in cells since it introduces inconsistancy One could rely on the browser to break the lines in cells while resizing the browser frame or use the native syntax of his wiki to do advanced tables To sum up we either use no heading syntax at all or we define a better way of defining a header cell since it is hard to distinguish empty cells from headings with the double pipe syntax and it does not mix well with existing markup we do not specify a linebreak syntax in cells unless we have discussed linebreak syntax in more detail in creole currently you define line breaks symply by using return which is more visual but produces other problems like this here Christoph 4 Dec 2006 You didn t comment on the idea of using the first row of a cell as headers always you just said you prefer a different syntax for headers Can you elaborate on this Is it ever useful to have a table without headers or is it ever useful to have headers in any row but the first AlexSchroeder Cross tables Cross tab should have headers in the first row and first column imo JaredWilliams Yes that was my idea where you have row Headings This code in JSPWiki boxers briefs heavy Wiki user 70 5 light Wiki user 25 35 non Wiki user 5 60 creates this display boxers briefs heavy Wiki user 70 5 light Wiki user 25 35 non Wiki user 5 60 This matrix representation should be possible since it is a good use case for a tables present a complex issue in a readable way Using tables without headings I would rather go without heading syntax and help myself with using bold syntax than define the first row of a table always to be the heading again i think this one here would not look that bad at all boxers briefs heavy Wiki user 70 5 light Wiki user 25 35 non Wiki user 5 60 could you live with something similar to this Christoph I think that in this case I d be using my complex table extension instead of relying on the simple table extension That allows me to use CSS to highlight the various cells in just the way I want I do agree that your last example looks not bad and I could implement something like it I m just not convinced that it is a good idea because it is new and we should prefer NotNew Perhaps it should remain ExtensibleByOmission not specify table headers at all AlexSchroeder Removed special table header syntax and line breaks in tables from Creole 0 3 Chuck Smith I was wondering how much of markup is allowed inside table cells exactly In particular are links allowed I have a problem with the pipe symbol in links and images RadomirDopieralski 2007 02 05 My opinion is that Creole should only specify which markup must be supported in tables as in other elements without preventing languages to support also other markup Extensible By Omission The same stands for links headings etc Radomir you re right I didn t think to the pipe in links and images I m going to change the priority of rules in PEAR Text Wiki Creole I think support for links at least should be required Michele Tomaiuolo 2007 02 05 This shows how just discussing things without actually implementing them can lead to missing important details I think that we should explicitly state that pipes between and tags and also if images and links are supported inside tables between and tags are not interpreted as cell separators RadomirDopieralski 2007 02

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  • Talk.The User S Newline
    the Nuveon GmbH view find Quick search type ahead Recent Searches Clear Talk The User S Newline Your trail Talk Strike Home Talk Subscript Home Talk Superscript Talk SuperscriptAndSubscriptProposal Home Talk Tables Home Talk TextEditors View Page Discussion V iew A ttach I nfo Spir is correct this was already discussed on Wikicreole as a search reveals The discussion leading to the rules in Creole 1 0 is Line Breaks

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  • Talk.Thomas Waldmann
    if not then I am I don t think Creole needs to address the use cases currently used wiki markup addresses No I think it can and should do less than that We don t want to create one markup to find them and in the darkness bind them At least I m limiting myself to helping people from other wikis contributing to wikis running Oddmuse So I just need a small common subset that allows a rare visitor to do what needs to be done No more AlexSchroeder MoinMoin Thomas welcome and thanks for beeing here No creole is not made to take over the world or to replace any markup Always think of it as an alternative for someone wandering around who has no time to learn your syntax but still might want to contribute to a wiki community that uses your engine Thats why it is called creole It s not a standard Your expert users will continue to use the native markup I will continue to use JSPWiki markup because i like single braces for links and the reverse order of description first url last Someone who speaks creole in your wiki engine is not a native speaker and thus does not everything as you would expect it or what you would expect as the proper way for example he might not understand the concept of emphasis Talk BoldAndItalics in the same way It s like leaving out der die das in German Still we will perfectly understand a non native speaker without it and we should give him the opportunity to take part in our community as an equal member We do not want in any way to criticise the native markup as there is no point in criticising any language on earth With Creole

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  • Talk.Tiddly Wiki
    IRC Meetings External Discussion Promotion Recent Changes Talk Index wiki node Sandbox Copyright C by the contributors Some rights reserved license BY SA Sponsored by the Wiki Symposium and the Nuveon GmbH view find Quick search type ahead Recent Searches Clear Talk Tiddly Wiki Your trail Talk Superscript Talk SuperscriptAndSubscriptProposal Home Talk Tables Home Talk TextEditors Talk TheUserSNewline Home Talk ThomasWaldmann Home View Page Discussion V iew A ttach I

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  • Talk.Underlined
    Page Discussion V iew A ttach I nfo There are several problems with underlining described briefly at TextEmphasis Underlining is in context of the Web associated with links Sure one can style links differently on er site but e can also do it with em or strong as well turning them into underline Two ways of marking emphasis are enough one way would be sufficinet if not the need for highlighting not highlighting distiction Underline has the same meaning as italics see http www c2 com cgi wiki RealMenDoNotUnderline WikiCreole is supposed to be a common part of various wiki markups many wiki engines don t include underline for the reasons mentioned above Creole is extensible if a site needs certain markup they are free to add it and it s not breaking Creole What next Blink Marquee Sparks Zooming text Are there any use cases where underline is really required Because adding things to Creole makes it more complicated and harder to learn so if an addition doesn t really improve the markup it s better to refrain from it RadomirDopieralski 2006 12 15 Underlining was originally designed to replace italics in the case italics were not available I

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