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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2007 03 06 - xAP Automation
    To Value Of 4 Variables 06 03 2007 15 16 25 Ian B For what I plan to do I would not have any problem with stopping the timer 06 03 2007 15 16 33 Ian B which is handy 06 03 2007 15 17 21 KevinH I dont use timers a lot really but from a xAP perspective being able to delay a bsc cmd might be useful 06 03 2007 15 17 46 KevinH most of my times events are scheduled or periodic 06 03 2007 15 18 13 KevinH So whats the current project Ian 06 03 2007 15 18 28 Ian B How do you interface to your HV embedded thingy I mean from a PC type perspective Is there an app 06 03 2007 15 18 48 Ian B I am still on my touch screen controller 06 03 2007 15 19 07 KevinH The embedded controller has a serial linkage to HV and all the rest is xAP 06 03 2007 15 19 18 Ian B It has TCP IP and a serial port too 06 03 2007 15 19 28 Ian B most stuff is Ethernet though 06 03 2007 15 19 53 KevinH actually the samecontroller will drive C Bus if you add the C Bus module so HV then has full C Bus control 06 03 2007 15 20 11 Ian B I was thinking of what sends and receives the xAP messages I guess there is desktop etc that fullfill this 06 03 2007 15 20 17 KevinH It has a web interface and ftp server too although I haven t coded up web pages yet 06 03 2007 15 20 28 Ian B Sadly I have no Cbus 06 03 2007 15 21 04 KevinH Yes if you do want a PC involved then you need a xAP capable application HomeSeer Desktop Floorplan etc etc 06 03 2007 15 21 28 Ian B I am coding a serial config tool a telnet one and html when I work out how to do the latter 06 03 2007 15 22 19 KevinH Or if it is at the moment fairly basic interaction then the opnode products provide a xAp driven event manager or you could use BSC Mapper or the as yet not released xAP embedded BSC mapper 06 03 2007 15 23 25 KevinH The opnode embedded xAP controller I use quite a bit as I am beta testing it it also adds 1 wire devices of course 06 03 2007 15 23 41 KevinH opnode is Ethernet too 06 03 2007 15 23 50 Ian B coooool 06 03 2007 15 23 53 KevinH with embedded web control and status pages 06 03 2007 15 24 09 Ian B very nice and I can see where your workload is coming from 06 03 2007 15 24 46 KevinH and can redirect a xAP incoming event to an xPL or 1 wire action or indeed any combination of the three 06 03 2007 15 25 58 KevinH The opnode project is one Daniel an independent commercial developer is releasing 06 03 2007 15 26 12 Ian B ahhh ok 06 03 2007 15 26 26 KevinH www opnode org 06 03 2007 15 27 28 Edward joins My room 06 03 2007 15 27 38 KevinH Hi E 06 03 2007 15 27 44 Edward Hi all 06 03 2007 15 28 45 KevinH I got a couple of Viewer things to report I ll do that via email i think 06 03 2007 15 29 26 Edward bugs or feature requests 06 03 2007 15 29 44 KevinH former is that good news or bad 06 03 2007 15 30 17 James back 06 03 2007 15 30 20 James hi E 06 03 2007 15 30 36 James I ve only found 1 bug 06 03 2007 15 30 44 Edward bugs more likely to receive attention 06 03 2007 15 30 55 Edward ah you too 06 03 2007 15 31 01 James even silly and really minor ones 06 03 2007 15 31 14 Edward silly huh 06 03 2007 15 31 24 KevinH Can you try saving a set of messages from a particular device does it work 06 03 2007 15 31 26 James the bug is silly not viewer 06 03 2007 15 33 02 James K I can save for a particular devce 06 03 2007 15 33 14 KevinH hmmm interesting 06 03 2007 15 33 20 Edward hmm er not actually tested any of the save load stuff 06 03 2007 15 33 50 James I used the second save option the Save all visible xAP events for the selected device 06 03 2007 15 34 45 Edward I wonder what an invisible xAP event is 06 03 2007 15 34 59 Edward or a xAP event for that matter 06 03 2007 15 35 04 James I may of just found an invisible xAP event and another bug 06 03 2007 15 35 26 James If you clear all messages then click pause 06 03 2007 15 35 54 James no new messages appear which is correct but the device tree rebuilds itself 06 03 2007 15 36 49 Edward Yes that s right pause now just stops putting messages in the list view but the viewer is still listening 06 03 2007 15 37 29 James but if you are working from a saved message set It ll be annoying for the tree to fill up with devices 06 03 2007 15 37 34 Edward and so the tree continues to update make more sense to me that way 06 03 2007 15 38 16 Edward hmmm as I said I d not really considered the load save stuff never used it 06 03 2007 15 38 27 KevinH Message history save failed Type KCS xAP Framework Transport xAPInvalidMessageEventArgs in Assembly xAPTransport version 2 0 2614 3436

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2007 02 27 - xAP Automation
    27 02 2007 15 36 18 James i don t know how it works but a freepbx module for configuring would be a real bonus 27 02 2007 15 36 52 Gregg Also I want to make the unattended dialout more robust w failover extensions channels numbers 27 02 2007 15 37 28 James as teh basic answer is there are quite a few extras planned then 27 02 2007 15 37 55 Gregg More of the polish variety rather than fundamentally new which is what has been coming out recently 27 02 2007 15 38 23 Gregg I m also not too sure what the barriers to adoption might be Definitely I need to improve my start at the wiki docs 27 02 2007 15 39 12 James I do think docs based on a trixbox install maybe even an install script would be good 27 02 2007 15 39 38 Gregg I think I will need to rely on some other kind soul for the trixbox info 27 02 2007 15 40 16 James there s always that nice VMplayer image available 27 02 2007 15 40 34 James but i can document asa i go 27 02 2007 15 41 04 Gregg yes although my general rule of thumb is that I only try to support what I run in production and use on a routine basis 27 02 2007 15 41 57 James that s a pretty good thumb 27 02 2007 15 42 43 Gregg actually I really need to start making progress on the insteon gateway as that is my more personal and immediate interest 27 02 2007 15 43 21 James so all your insteon is on the workbench boxed 27 02 2007 15 43 59 Gregg All Insteon gear is dual mode where the other mode is x10 So no it s in production but the Insteon part is not being used 27 02 2007 15 44 37 James k that quite a nice feature having the old x10 functionality there 27 02 2007 15 44 46 Gregg And although the US x10 extended codes make fancy lighting work ok it s still unreliable and slow x10 27 02 2007 15 45 12 KevinH I m back as it appears the oven temp setting has defeated SWMBO 27 02 2007 15 45 18 Gregg unfortunately it allows for being slow to adopt as it does work 27 02 2007 15 45 34 James i ve never understood why cm12u x10 commands take so much longer than an x10 switch 27 02 2007 15 46 13 KevinH above reminds me on the lighting schema which currently I implement as extensions to BSC 27 02 2007 15 46 40 Gregg yep and my plan is to continue that w the insteon gateway where possible 27 02 2007 15 46 53 Gregg for one thing mh already has plenty of BSC support built in 27 02 2007 15 47 23 James i wonder who put

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2007 02 20 - xAP Automation
    confused with last time I think I implemented too much too soon without undertsanding the fundamentals so this time I ll do it much slower 20 02 2007 15 38 19 Ian B At the moment I have another volunteer to help on the touch screen controller so I am grabbing that offer 20 02 2007 15 38 43 KevinH I have been throwing togetrher some ideas ona new BSC device 20 02 2007 15 39 11 KevinH A state device basically a text device that can report what valid states it can be sent 20 02 2007 15 39 15 James KH using the vmware trixbox makes it easier as you can revert to a pre mucked up state nice and easily 20 02 2007 15 39 59 Ian D I keep changing my mind on things although I m now making a Conscious effect to start and finish the house lighting this year I ve a new design idea I m just starting 20 02 2007 15 40 04 Ian B I have sent some photots to you Kev on the xAP address 20 02 2007 15 40 21 KevinH and within that is the opportunity for the state device to describe a hierarchy of states that are valid a sort of menu structure which would suit your touchscreen I guess 20 02 2007 15 41 58 KevinH I recognise that xAP splash screen IB 20 02 2007 15 41 58 Ian B interesting 20 02 2007 15 42 21 Ian B the touch screen of course doen not present menus in a nice linear fasion though 20 02 2007 15 42 30 Ian B some thinking to be done there I guess 20 02 2007 15 42 38 KevinH J that was what was awkward before you modded it and then you were on a path 20 02 2007 15 42 56 KevinH IanD Would you like this controller back 20 02 2007 15 43 52 KevinH Gregg I think a lot of people would liek to play with so any guidance you can provide around teh TrixBox builds will be well received 20 02 2007 15 44 23 KevinH Once you see teh config screens on a Sipura 3000 you get spooked easily though 20 02 2007 15 44 44 Ian D K do you have the copy of XapTel with the memory leak fix handy at all I m in no hurry for the controller I did use a couple for quite a while but have recently been changing alot around and trying to standadise on some bits 20 02 2007 15 45 00 Gregg K will likely need to rely on others actually running TrixBox but I will begin working on more documentation for generic use 20 02 2007 15 45 03 KevinH It would be nice to make justa xAP CID app that worked with a 3000 a xAPTel for them as it would be almost country universal 20 02 2007 15 46 31 KevinH I will send it now it has no installer so you will need to have used teh original installer and have J s intranet OCX installed It may still winge about an updated Skype control let me know if it does 20 02 2007 15 46 51 KevinH Just replace teh existing exe with teh oen I send 20 02 2007 15 47 48 Ian D Following on from the email on the yahoo group is there any source code around written in vb 2005 I could take a look at to see if I could modify it to filter some Xap messages ready for going to a serial device 20 02 2007 15 48 48 Ian D Thanks K I ll have a go at upgrading it tomorrow my server keeps throwing one if I forget to restart Xap tel 20 02 2007 15 49 23 James Ian edward I think has been using vb 2005 He may has some example code 20 02 2007 15 49 43 KevinH Ignore that mail IanB 20 02 2007 15 49 55 Ian B D 20 02 2007 15 49 57 Edward aka the joins My room 20 02 2007 15 50 15 Edward aka the My ears must have been burning 20 02 2007 15 50 19 James wow say the ward Edward and he turns up 20 02 2007 15 50 31 James hi 20 02 2007 15 50 40 Edward aka the VB 20 02 2007 15 50 43 Edward aka the Spit 20 02 2007 15 51 01 Edward aka the hmm wait a mo let me fix my silly name 20 02 2007 15 51 14 Edward aka the joins My room 20 02 2007 15 51 36 Edward joins My room 20 02 2007 15 52 16 Edward aka the quit timeout 20 02 2007 15 52 21 Edward Nope sorry strictly a C man 20 02 2007 15 52 28 Edward for Net that is 20 02 2007 15 52 36 KevinH I thought you were a Perl convert 20 02 2007 15 52 46 Edward oh well and a little C if required 20 02 2007 15 52 55 James i m sure someone mentioned vb 2005 20 02 2007 15 52 59 KevinH Wasn t the X10 conduit in Net 20 02 2007 15 53 04 Edward and yes Perl is quite lovely for the right thing 20 02 2007 15 53 17 Edward C Net 20 02 2007 15 53 40 KevinH Strange I blame it on my age 20 02 2007 15 54 37 KevinH IanD I have an example US CID application written in VB Net but 2003 using xFX would taht help I believe if memory serves me that it was Glenn Sullivans application 20 02 2007 15 54 40 James E that updated x10 plugin is still working perfectly btw might be worth releasing 20 02 2007 15 55 00 Edward but all Net languages are pretty close so you can pretty much get the idea of what to write in VB by looking at the c 20 02 2007 15 55 13 Edward though maybe not such a good idea for a novice 20 02 2007 15 55 28 KevinH E did you get to the bottom of the stops communicating issue 20 02 2007 15 55 32 Edward There was somebody on the group writing VB Net stuff on xFx 20 02 2007 15 55 44 Edward KevinT 20 02 2007 15 55 51 Ian D Anything may help not much of a PC app man so only just putting the toes in the wtarer 20 02 2007 15 55 56 KevinH Glenn Sullivan I think 20 02 2007 15 55 59 James he uses vb6 20 02 2007 15 56 04 Edward A trawl back the the newsgroup should reveal who 20 02 2007 15 56 05 Ian D wrong key doh 20 02 2007 15 56 26 Edward Glen yes could be 20 02 2007 15 56 50 Edward stops communicating no never found it 20 02 2007 15 57 00 KevinH I have not made teh step from VB6 to Net yet 20 02 2007 15 57 03 Edward relying on the Net 2 0 version to do that 20 02 2007 15 57 12 Ian D my C skill does not exist maybe one day it seems everyone uses it thesedays 20 02 2007 15 57 18 KevinH But I am becoming passingly taken by C 20 02 2007 15 57 39 KevinH ansi no and no yet 20 02 2007 15 58 00 Edward Ah that brings back memories 20 02 2007 15 58 02 KevinH but it s a pig when you make a mistake 20 02 2007 15 58 16 Edward Though I was a K R man ansi much too modern 20 02 2007 15 58 29 KevinH and the string and array aspects of C coming from VB are wher it catches you 20 02 2007 15 58 38 KevinH I have teh K R book 20 02 2007 15 58 55 KevinH and excellent it is too 20 02 2007 15 59 14 KevinH I might buy that book J is it worth it 20 02 2007 15 59 34 Ian B I use C on the micros and VB6 as my test harnesses I always get caught by the if syntax and the occasional 20 02 2007 15 59 54 James you can down load it and see bt yes it s a good reference 20 02 2007 16 00 29 James although sometimes it s not understanding but understanding trixbox that is the issue 20 02 2007 16 00 43 KevinH IanD Imy email history is before GlenS but I will lookout that pplication for you in VB Net and xFX using VS2003 20 02 2007 16 01 25 KevinH I am sure when you post the TrixBox how to I ll be able to follow it 20 02 2007 16 01 45 James quit timeout 20 02 2007 16 02 26 KevinH quit timeout 20 02 2007 16 02 53 James Edward did you have any thoughts on adding a counter to an x10 device so that a rocker switch could be detected 20 02 2007 16 03 01 KevinH IanB so do you ahve a way of describing your menu hieracrchy at all taht a schema might assist you with maybe XML or something 20 02 2007 16 03 54 James quit timeout 20 02 2007 16 04 02 KevinH quit timeout 20 02 2007 16 04 15 James i keep failing to turn my lights on as i keep pushing the on button when i need to alternate between on and off 20 02 2007 16 04 49 Ian D K thanks again Got 2 dash to go and fetch my son from town hopefully b back soon Thanks all 20 02 2007 16 04 55 James joins My room 20 02 2007 16 11 17 KevinH joins My room 20 02 2007 16 11 44 Edward stiil deep in the bowels of xFx fixing and optimising 20 02 2007 16 12 06 Edward should have a new viewer available very soon 20 02 2007 16 12 12 KevinH I have a few more findings 20 02 2007 16 12 14 James is there light at the end of the tunnel 20 02 2007 16 12 37 KevinH The hex and ascii displays for messages dont match currently 20 02 2007 16 13 54 KevinH and xFX strips any capitalisation in param names which I know are case insensitive but probably better to preserve for readability 20 02 2007 16 15 01 KevinH xFX also tolerates incoming xAP messagaes starting OA xap header which is a good thing i think but in hex display I think it should show the incoming OA as teh first char 20 02 2007 16 15 15 Edward The level of surgery undertaken is rather more fundamental that you probably suspect 20 02 2007 16 15 32 KevinH a frontal lobotomy 20 02 2007 16 15 45 Edward a bottle in front of me 20 02 2007 16 16 17 KevinH I had lods of issues with the new version crashing but just recently for the last n weeks it has been rock solid very strange but good news 20 02 2007 16 16 23 Edward I re wrote all the underlying data structures to be case insi ensitive 20 02 2007 16 16 46 Edward new version of what 20 02 2007 16 17 25 KevinH YOu sent me the updated Viewer which was initially crashing a lot but its stopped doing that now 20 02 2007 16 17 49 Edward Ah yes that was with the initial UID extension 20 02 2007 16 18 01 Edward I d not done any work on Viewer itself 20 02 2007 16 18 08 KevinH We have an issue with whether xAP addresses are case sensitive or not btw 20 02 2007 16 18 13 Edward or other bits of xFx then 20 02 2007 16 18 30 KevinH I know it just started being more stable 20 02 2007 16 18 44 Edward I thought everything was case insensitive 20 02 2007 16 18 57 James so did i once 20 02 2007 16 19 01 KevinH Nope parameter values are case sensitive 20 02 2007 16 19 16 KevinH and UID s have to be U C 20 02 2007 16 19 43 KevinH but i thought all header parameter values were case insensitive but teh spec does not state that 20 02 2007 16 20 26 KevinH and we have a couple of developers who have coded to the spec and are case sensitive on addresses now 20 02 2007 16 20 50 KevinH CQC and OPNODE 20 02 2007 16 21 49 Gregg I was under an impression that Daniel was willing to change OPNODE 20 02 2007 16 22 51 KevinH He is but I sort of had no grounds to say he should change I can probably get him too still though 20 02 2007 16 23 10 KevinH How is opnone Gregg 20 02 2007 16 23 24 Gregg It s very stable for me now 20 02 2007 16 23 38 KevinH It s really fun having an embedded xAP intelligence 20 02 2007 16 23 38 Gregg Apparently my xAP environment was initially too much for it 20 02 2007 16 23 51 KevinH Long values 20 02 2007 16 24 00 Gregg yep 20 02 2007 16 24 00 Gregg yep 20 02 2007 16 24 44 KevinH When I took my first embedded controller to the UKHA exhibition and it was on its first open xAP network it died every few minutes 20 02 2007 16 24 51 KevinH James killed it 20 02 2007 16 25 01 James 20 02 2007 16 25 13 James xAPNews is the killer of all things 20 02 2007 16 25 28 KevinH xAPTV and xAPNews long parameter values 20 02 2007 16 26 10 KevinH my first exposure to the vulnerabilities of string handling in C 20 02 2007 16 26 14 Ian B K I have not got that far at the moment I will have a word with Paul who is doing the PC side of things He is planning to make the apps all plugins and we are due for a meet about now to catch up 20 02 2007 16 26 20 Edward Spec seems pretty clear to me Keywords are not case sensitive Thus my thing My Thing and MY THING are all treated as literally equivalent in the Message Grammar section 20 02 2007 16 27 09 KevinH But those are keywords ie the parameter names aren t they 20 02 2007 16 27 46 Edward Ah you mean the address s themselves 20 02 2007 16 27 57 Edward not the SouRcE 20 02 2007 16 28 10 KevinH or blocknames 20 02 2007 16 28 11 KevinH Each message block is defined by a keyword line 20 02 2007 16 28 31 KevinH This keyword uses alpha numeric printable characters a z a through z 0 9 zero through nine underscore minus and additionally embedded space 20 02 2007 16 28 50 Ian B k I guess there would be no harm in adding an index or something to the menu items 20 02 2007 16 28 52 KevinH Leading and trailing white space character space ASCII character 32 decimal is not permitted Message block names may include embedded spaces 20 02 2007 16 29 12 Edward The name value keyword follows the same construct as that described above for a message section keyword definition 20 02 2007 16 29 12 KevinH Keywords are not case sensitive Thus my thing My Thing and MY THING are all treated as literally equivalent 20 02 2007 16 29 26 KevinH sorry E 20 02 2007 16 29 38 KevinH didnt read your response 20 02 2007 16 29 45 KevinH yes teh addresses themselves 20 02 2007 16 29 59 Edward hmmmm tricky one that 20 02 2007 16 30 31 KevinH I had always believed they were case insensitive 20 02 2007 16 30 40 Edward I guess it s up to the device implementer to say if thier device will respond to case invariant addresses then 20 02 2007 16 30 45 KevinH but i can t back that up from the spec 20 02 2007 16 30 58 Edward because they are values 20 02 2007 16 31 09 KevinH IN which case we have to say that addresses are case sensitive 20 02 2007 16 31 21 KevinH yes values and case sensitive 20 02 2007 16 31 22 Edward and just because it s an address it should be treated no differently 20 02 2007 16 31 43 KevinH J and I reluctantly reached the same conclusion 20 02 2007 16 32 00 KevinH which is why I gave in to Daniel 20 02 2007 16 32 53 KevinH Gregg do you use xPL a lot 20 02 2007 16 33 50 KevinH IanB let me know what you come up with The schema I had in mind will describe valid menus as a hierarchy 20 02 2007 16 34 58 KevinH and at any point in that hierarchy teh schema will tell you what options are valid for next step and which are disabled like greyed out menus grayed for you Gregg 20 02 2007 16 36 00 Ian B K no problems I will think about it but there is no reason this couldn t be done 20 02 2007 16 37 41 Gregg Sorry SWMBO was calling K yes I do use xPL 20 02 2007 16 38 08 Gregg K how

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2007 02 13 - xAP Automation
    it with a unique ID Then any app responding to it should also include that ID That way other peers know that something has answered 13 02 2007 15 28 53 Mr Optimizer joins My room 13 02 2007 15 29 08 Gregg hmm I m not so sure For one thing another app may be delayed in answering but won t relook before the answer 13 02 2007 15 29 37 Gregg Also that really doesn t address the case when you deliberately want to prune the question vocabulary back so only one app can answer which is my personal preference 13 02 2007 15 31 02 Gregg So do you have a suggestion for pruning Four s vocabulary 13 02 2007 15 32 38 James sry back phone rang 13 02 2007 15 34 06 James The reason behind not editing the db file was I was going to make it web updatable so it would be reloaded and wiped at times 13 02 2007 15 34 30 Gregg Right that s why I was suggesting some means of grammar pruning via the mydb txt 13 02 2007 15 34 47 Gregg which would be more complex but would allow the update that you suggested 13 02 2007 15 34 49 James It s easy enough to enable disable aswer sets though 13 02 2007 15 35 21 Gregg You mean in mydb txt or some other way 13 02 2007 15 35 37 James so nice friendly tick boxes ont he web page 13 02 2007 15 36 11 Gregg Oh ok I was thinking something more user hostile but I m good w that 13 02 2007 15 36 37 James user hostile nice term 13 02 2007 15 37 18 James and appending the link in a message display to a jabber relay message is easy enough to add 13 02 2007 15 37 29 James web link that is 13 02 2007 15 38 12 Gregg ok that means that you could scroll back through your Jabber session that is receiving these from zmxap and review an alarm 13 02 2007 15 38 30 James that s true i like that 13 02 2007 15 39 29 Gregg I m also planning on making zmxap be a messenger peer so that you can alter zoneminder alarm modes of operation via jabber 13 02 2007 15 40 17 Gregg or via IVR and your cell phone 13 02 2007 15 40 19 James that would make for a really useful function especially with a mobile jabber client 13 02 2007 15 40 53 James could someone give this a go http www mi4 biz modules php name MessageHome in theory what you type appears on my slimp3 above my monitor 13 02 2007 15 41 47 James that worked then 13 02 2007 15 42 02 Gregg yep and that brings me to wondering about a possible additional messenger property 13 02 2007 15 42 24 James web custom floorplan page xaP slim plugin slimersver slimp3 13 02 2007 15 42 37 James nearly instant too 13 02 2007 15 43 05 Gregg something like requestor format which would convey the type of device that would be receiving the response so that the link URL for example could be tailored for small vice large displays 13 02 2007 15 43 05 James and the possible additional messenger property is 13 02 2007 15 43 28 Gregg or for axc something that suggests that the response should be more suited to TTS 13 02 2007 15 44 16 James not sure i m with you here a messenger message should just be to or from a messenger gateway 13 02 2007 15 44 53 Gregg ok but in some since the use of html in your response makes assumptions that the consumer can handle html 13 02 2007 15 45 24 Gregg or the formating of your messages assume that someone is viewing them vice hearing them 13 02 2007 15 45 43 Gregg the best example is querying SB via Jabber for the most recent calls 13 02 2007 15 45 59 Gregg the returned format is not very useful for TTS interpretation 13 02 2007 15 46 14 James ah i see 13 02 2007 15 46 48 Gregg now to be honest I ve been planning on adding lots of code into axc to perform translations but it did cause me to start thinking about ways to have certain types of formats 13 02 2007 15 47 25 James like TTS words csv html 13 02 2007 15 47 46 James maybe xml 13 02 2007 15 48 39 Gregg something like that although I m thinking that the number might be as small as 3 you really don t want the number to be large at all And there would need to be an understanding of what the default can always be expected to be 13 02 2007 15 48 55 Gregg in case the source responder to a messenger event can only handle one form 13 02 2007 15 49 20 James it s only really the floorplan switchboard ping links that this would apply to the rest is simple text 13 02 2007 15 50 39 Gregg well consider zmxap that might include the link info Link info shouldn t be included for TTS It should suggest a high bandwidth large screen for normal use and low bandwidth small screen for say mobile devices phones 13 02 2007 15 51 18 Gregg but yes the normal majority would be simple text 13 02 2007 15 51 38 James hello Optimezer btw 13 02 2007 15 52 21 James that link info is a message display rather than a messenger thing though 13 02 2007 15 52 47 Mr Optimizer Hi 13 02 2007 15 53 01 Mr Optimizer My friends just call me fast 13 02 2007 15 53 10 Gregg yes for the request that I made of you but what if I support someting like list the last 4 alarms in zmxap as a messenger peer 13 02 2007 15 53 46 James fast it is then 13 02 2007 15 54 08 Gregg It that as in quick or lacking food intake 13 02 2007 15 54 09 James ok I can see alot of playing with Four coming up 13 02 2007 15 54 55 Mr Optimizer As in well pruned call tree 13 02 2007 15 56 37 Gregg J I did want to mention that your latest SB is working exceptionally well for my use 13 02 2007 15 57 44 James is the returning a call from the log when the contact has a network set working ok 13 02 2007 15 59 11 Gregg no but I wonder if you were focusing on the inbound calls whereas my interest as in the outbound 13 02 2007 15 59 55 James well they are outgoing when you returna call 13 02 2007 16 00 43 Gregg Suppose that I dial out via and axc communicates the call and SB records it as an outgoing call 13 02 2007 16 01 08 James should be 13 02 2007 16 01 51 Gregg From SB s call records I then initiate a dial I don t see any of the lines associated w the network for this number rather only V PSTN lines 13 02 2007 16 02 42 James and the contact that the number refers to had a different network set 13 02 2007 16 03 04 Gregg yes office 13 02 2007 16 03 22 Gregg but one thing that is odd is that SB isn t listing the contact details for this number in the call log 13 02 2007 16 04 06 James and i presume the number exists in the contacts somewhere 13 02 2007 16 04 23 Gregg fwiw I m coding the extensions into Business Phone 2 13 02 2007 16 04 35 James k 13 02 2007 16 05 03 Gregg yes it exists as a contact and only has a value for Business Phone 2 also it is just a 4 digit number not that that should matter 13 02 2007 16 07 03 James 4 digits should be fine 13 02 2007 16 08 44 Gregg Ahh that s it SB s call log seems to ignore the contact info if in Business Phone 2 13 02 2007 16 09 28 Gregg but the dialer network association is till fixated on V PSTN 13 02 2007 16 09 44 James accoring to the sql query it should be looking there well actually a column called stripbusinessphone2 13 02 2007 16 11 51 lehane joins My room 13 02 2007 16 12 21 Gregg Hi Lehane 13 02 2007 16 12 42 lehane Hi all 13 02 2007 16 12 46 James hi 13 02 2007 16 13 57 Gregg J I stand corrected SB will fill in the call records but only after I go to the applicable contact edit it and then update it s phone info 13 02 2007 16 14 33 Gregg In other words SB s call record details are initially blank and it will show the option of creating a new contact record from the call record despite one already existing 13 02 2007 16 14 37 James it should do the same lookup on a new call 13 02 2007 16 15 11 James yep it s missiing hte match for some reason is it just a 4 digit number no s or s 13 02 2007 16 16 26 Gregg right 2903 13 02 2007 16 18 19 James ok work for me but 13 02 2007 16 18 30 Gregg Lehane thanks for putting together the Trixbox how to FWIW I ve revised the original IVR wiki page to incorporate your mods 13 02 2007 16 18 41 James I had to remove the localstd that was set 13 02 2007 16 19 08 Gregg J I assume you know that I nuked the contents of all the STD DBs per your suggestion 13 02 2007 16 19 17 James as i was calling 2525 but it made it 0202525 my local std was 020 13 02 2007 16 19 32 James yep this is another look on the main settings page 13 02 2007 16 19 51 Gregg yep mine is blank 13 02 2007 16 21 21 James hmm i went to a contact entered 2525 as business phone2 and it s netwrok as internal simulated a call by sending a cid incoming It matched the contact and the dial link next to the call record had the correct internal network set 13 02 2007 16 21 24 lehane No problem I m going to add a PIN so I can set heating etc on 13 02 2007 16 22 09 Gregg yes I wasn t about to add that part to the how to as users need to thoroughly understand and security before enabling things like that 13 02 2007 16 22 43 Gregg not wanting to be responsible for a crook calling your house and disabling your alarm before he walks in the door 13 02 2007 16 23 04 James good plan 13 02 2007 16 25 13 Gregg J can you elaborate your plans on extending Four to integrate occupancy info Will it be purely dependent upon FP or will it allow other inputs If the latter what kinds of messages 13 02 2007 16 26 36 James the initial idea based on Jabber and the JIDs and secondly on the occupancy data the intranet luancher sends out 13 02 2007 16 27 38 James Floorplan will do it s own room occupancy based on pirs doors windows etc The Four occupancy is really a person occupancy ie at home at work mobile etc 13 02 2007 16 28 12 Gregg what occupancy info does intranet launcher send out 13 02 2007 16 28 35 James the old one none 13 02 2007 16 29 00 Gregg the old one being the one that all of us have 13 02 2007 16 29 26 James the new one a single bsc device where the state is activity in the last minute and the Text holding the username 13 02 2007 16 29 52 Gregg oh very nice 13 02 2007 16 30 27 Ian B Gotta go folks bed calls plus the cat is nagging for food See you again soon 13 02 2007 16 30 45 James bye Ian 13 02 2007 16 30 52 Gregg By Ian nice pics by the way 13 02 2007 16 31 05 Ian B thanks 13 02 2007 16 31 12 James G you have the new launcher btw 13 02 2007 16 31 17 James esp the flower 13 02 2007 16 31 26 Ian B the screen is registering the stylus touches quite nicely now 13 02 2007 16 31 33 Ian B more soon I am sure 13 02 2007 16 31 46 James keep us posted 13 02 2007 16 31 58 Gregg J I don t see any BSC info being sent out are you sure I have the latest or do I need to do something to make it work 13 02 2007 16 32 16 James you need to read your email 13 02 2007 16 32 32 James when i say you have it I mean only just have it 13 02 2007 16 32 38 Gregg and apparently be patient 13 02 2007 16 32 45 Gregg got it 13 02 2007 16 33 19 lehane J how does 4 talk to FP just occasionally it doesn t see FP 13 02 2007 16 33 21 James It also support the groups feature of the new intranet ocx other than that no real changes 13 02 2007 16 33 27 Ian B quit timeout 13 02 2007 16 33 41 James It does an http get 13 02 2007 16 33 54 lehane port number 13 02 2007 16 34 10 James same as the web interface 13 02 2007 16 34 32 lehane OK Win2k3 again 13 02 2007 16 34 45 James it s just a page four xsp and the get string defines what to return 13 02 2007 16 35 40 Gregg J very very nice 13 02 2007 16 36 30 James Lehane I m getting very close to finalising FP 1 5 just one more bug to find Then I m happy 13 02 2007 16 36 37 Gregg J I assume that I can make four and xAP jabber be services w the usual manual switches right 13 02 2007 16 37 09 lehane Great I ll put some more time in on the docs 13 02 2007 16 38 23 James and I ll get a newer bulld over to you once i ve tracked this bug There is an time after an alarm clock goes off before sunrise and when sunrise happens the state of a room is wrong Something somewhere is inverted womewhere 13 02 2007 16 38 45 James Four no doesn t have the service code in it yet 13 02 2007 16 38 58 Gregg ok and xAP Jabber 13 02 2007 16 39 07 James just looking 13 02 2007 16 39 31 James no 13 02 2007 16 39 49 Gregg ok thanks for clarifying 13 02 2007 16 39 51 James i ll get it added 13 02 2007 16 41 08 James I tend to run the apps from teh desktop as I ve yet to nag Kevin enough to add service support to xAPtel 13 02 2007 16 41 59 Gregg ahh well I just always want things to work even after an extended power fail that has exceeded UPS and I happen to be trying things remotely But that is indeed rare 13 02 2007 16 42 26 lehane I may have asked before If there is more than one timer scheduled simultaneously do they exec sequentially at 1 sec intervals 13 02 2007 16 43 46 James sequentially with no interval ie single tacking but as quick as possible First one added ie highest in the list will run first 13 02 2007 16 44 00 James tacking tasking 13 02 2007 16 44 26 Gregg L q re TSC Is it considered stable enough to begin writing apps against it 13 02 2007 16 44 44 lehane UPS hmm the problem is synchronising FP with all the Netioms If some stay up it gets interesting 13 02 2007 16 45 36 James how many netioms do you have 13 02 2007 16 45 51 lehane I meant to publish V0 4 but it didn t get to the top of the stack I ll do it this weekend 4 Netioms 13 02 2007 16 46 33 James that s alot of IO 13 02 2007 16 47 18 lehane Yep Some for physical convenience but most outputs are in use and about 30 of inputs 13 02 2007 16 48 28 James once you add some morePIRs or occupancy then you ll need those spare input channels 13 02 2007 16 48 31 Gregg Have either of you used the beam bar that phaedrus sells 13 02 2007 16 50 18 James nope used a simple one from maplin though but that was onle single beam 13 02 2007 16 51 17 James i wish they would try a break beam in a 2x2 arrangement that way you could sense movement aswell as direction of travel 13 02 2007 16 51 38 lehane PIR s are through Caddx Not used any barriers like that would like one on the drive though 13

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