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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2007 02 06 - xAP Automation
    15 James I use agile messenger on my phone works really well 06 02 2007 16 10 29 Gregg Great I ll take a look 06 02 2007 16 11 22 James We really must get you zoneminder code in the main distro btw It is quite easy to miss now from the website 06 02 2007 16 12 06 Gregg you referring to the zoneminder source or some other package 06 02 2007 16 12 56 James the mandriva cd 06 02 2007 16 12 59 Gregg I don t see Agile Messenger s site mentioning jabber I assume it is jabber compliant 06 02 2007 16 13 31 James yep I only use it to talk to wildfire 06 02 2007 16 13 49 Gregg oh ok I haven t every used packaged distros I ll take a look at how it goes together and approach the distro manager 06 02 2007 16 14 08 KevinH Back just reading the history 06 02 2007 16 14 11 James might be worth doing the same with trixbox too 06 02 2007 16 14 11 KevinH Hi both 06 02 2007 16 14 16 James Hi K 06 02 2007 16 14 25 Gregg Hi K 06 02 2007 16 15 17 Gregg Yeah trixbox sure likes to overcomplicate dial plans I ve been trying to avoid it at all costs 06 02 2007 16 15 50 James it s a great start for newbies though 06 02 2007 16 16 01 KevinH VPSTN was a moniker for a carrier that could carry either VOIP or PSTN calls btw 06 02 2007 16 16 17 KevinH allowing you to know you could redirect a PSTN call to it ok 06 02 2007 16 16 48 James The though was that dialler PSTN SIP IAX would be better 06 02 2007 16 17 00 Gregg Ok that was consistent w what I thought But and James jump in if I m wrong that s not how SB treats it since SB is doing exact match 06 02 2007 16 17 37 KevinH Ah maybe it was in teh dialler bit too gosh this was years ago 06 02 2007 16 18 06 James yes xSB is treating VPSTN and PSTN a different More logic needed 06 02 2007 16 18 16 James a very long time ago indeed 06 02 2007 16 18 33 Gregg Well I can live w it as is but it just means that I ought to explain a useful policy to axc users 06 02 2007 16 19 07 James oh and we need to agree on Dialler or Dialer 06 02 2007 16 19 22 Gregg what I ll probably do is add logic in that converts VPSTN to PSTN but always force the line state free for VPSTN That would make it functional wrt SB 06 02 2007 16 19 35 Gregg I ll comply w the non US spelling 06 02 2007 16 19 40 James yes 06 02 2007 16 20 01 KevinH Also for VOIP I always advertised a free line toa llow unlimited outgoing calls or perhaps restricted to a certain number SB selected this line but we moved the call to another line and placed teh outgoing call leaving the original line still showing available and free 06 02 2007 16 20 04 Gregg since there is also a precedent for dialled 06 02 2007 16 20 19 James as in the Non US English settin you get in some apps 06 02 2007 16 20 56 KevinH Something else you spell wrong in the US 06 02 2007 16 21 04 KevinH P 06 02 2007 16 21 16 Gregg laziness causes letter drops 06 02 2007 16 21 30 James I was watching a coyboy film yesterday and realised 06 02 2007 16 21 41 KevinH is that like lazyness 06 02 2007 16 21 48 James They drive on the left 06 02 2007 16 22 12 James made me giggle 06 02 2007 16 22 31 KevinH Sp they were made in teh UK 06 02 2007 16 22 49 James it was a proper John wayne one 06 02 2007 16 22 50 Gregg just got off very snow covered roads People were driving on all the lanes some upside down 06 02 2007 16 23 11 KevinH Thought our only cowboy came from Rochdale 06 02 2007 16 23 23 KevinH Where do you live Gregg 06 02 2007 16 23 49 Gregg In Ohio US close to Cincinnatti 06 02 2007 16 24 10 KevinH IS that close to New Albany 06 02 2007 16 24 50 Gregg Not really depends upon your definition of close 06 02 2007 16 25 53 Gregg back on xAP stuff I keep hearing about a net 2 framework in progress is that fact or fiction 06 02 2007 16 26 16 KevinH BTW xAPTel for me is something I m probably not going to develop much more so if either of you want the VB6 source to fork you re welcome I m happy to make minor changes if you need though 06 02 2007 16 26 28 James fact 06 02 2007 16 26 34 KevinH It s real 06 02 2007 16 26 45 James Edward s working on it 06 02 2007 16 26 56 Gregg so real available or 06 02 2007 16 27 28 Gregg or should I just send him a note 06 02 2007 16 27 51 James ask nicely 06 02 2007 16 28 39 Gregg I ll use my best UK facade 06 02 2007 16 28 55 James I have Viewer and hub so it really does exist but i know he was working more on some of the viewer functions 06 02 2007 16 29 04 KevinH Are the versions of the hub and Viewer that will support extended UID s net 2 06

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2007 01 23 - xAP Automation
    01 2007 15 48 49 Paul B Was just wondering how to get the most out of the Slimserver xAP plugin 23 01 2007 15 49 19 James in the audio control sense or the display sense 23 01 2007 15 49 26 Paul B So what are you working on at the moment 23 01 2007 15 49 48 James Floorplan 23 01 2007 15 49 56 James and getting it do clever things 23 01 2007 15 50 02 Paul B Display sense I know the News and TV plugins will send messages and they appear but I was wondering how to get better control 23 01 2007 15 50 36 Paul B What language do you develop in 23 01 2007 15 50 38 James most of the control as such is from the sending application 23 01 2007 15 50 41 James vb6 23 01 2007 15 50 52 Paul G joins My room 23 01 2007 15 51 15 Paul G hi 23 01 2007 15 51 27 James hi 23 01 2007 15 51 47 Paul G just a brief visit 23 01 2007 15 52 04 Paul B ok so someone was asking about displaying CPU temperatures on the Slimdevices forum I suggested Speedfan and xAP plugin but then realised I don t know how to send messages 23 01 2007 15 52 22 Paul G So anyone interested in that heating controller 23 01 2007 15 53 02 James the speedfan app just sends date You would need another app to receive it s data and make a display message Floorplan can do that 23 01 2007 15 53 04 Paul B Paul I haven t started to look at heating controls yet so can t comment 23 01 2007 15 53 04 James bit over kill though 23 01 2007 15 53 35 Paul B ok I have the Hub app installed but I guess I would need something else 23 01 2007 15 53 40 James I ll have to pass Paul The only new app i ll be looking at is the electricity monitor 23 01 2007 15 54 00 Paul B James tell me more 23 01 2007 15 54 09 Paul B what elec monitor 23 01 2007 15 54 10 Paul G for the eltrisave thingy 23 01 2007 15 54 32 James PG yes PB more on which bit 23 01 2007 15 54 34 Paul G I ve got one of those batteries ran out pretty quickly though 23 01 2007 15 55 09 James i ll plug it in then 23 01 2007 15 55 10 Paul B Electricity monitor I spent a month trying to find a device 23 01 2007 15 55 10 Paul G would be great to get proper charts etc 23 01 2007 15 55 25 James It s the electrisave device 23 01 2007 15 55 47 James Someone on ukha has reversed the protocol and is making a little adapter 23 01 2007 15 55 49 Paul B Is that the clamp device that fits around the incoming supply 23 01 2007 15 55 55 Paul G you going to xAPise it then 23 01 2007 15 56 00 Paul B Oh yeah saw that 23 01 2007 15 56 11 James Yep i plan a logging graphing and alerting 23 01 2007 15 56 19 James app 23 01 2007 15 56 34 Paul G cool you doing all the software side or in combination with someone else 23 01 2007 15 57 07 James I would imagine the xpl people will do their own one and i m sure other will do one too 23 01 2007 15 57 40 Paul B Be interested in that too Currently I am using a consumer unit device with pulse output that I feed into the Idratek pulse counter and displays on a graph 23 01 2007 15 57 45 James mine will certainly have scripable events and all the usual twiddly bits 23 01 2007 15 57 49 Paul G good way of getting more people into xAP need to get lots more interested though to make sure it doesn t die out in the future 23 01 2007 15 59 25 James well if you could get the idradek data on to xaP there is no reason why it couldn t monitor it too KH does similar witha netiom on his pulse output 23 01 2007 15 59 38 James PG yes more interest would be a good thing 23 01 2007 15 59 55 Paul G right must go already see you later 23 01 2007 16 00 10 James wow that was a quick stop 23 01 2007 16 00 15 James bfn 23 01 2007 16 00 43 Paul G yes under orders BTW get that Vista installed so you can write us some great gadgets 23 01 2007 16 01 15 James I don t get licenses for a while as they delay the education releases 23 01 2007 16 01 30 James which is really annoying 23 01 2007 16 01 36 Paul G yeah 23 01 2007 16 01 40 Paul B Yes I have spoken to Vivian at Idratek about xPA support they already support xPL 23 01 2007 16 01 46 Paul G right bye 23 01 2007 16 01 57 James bye 23 01 2007 16 02 13 James And Vivian was supportive of the idea 23 01 2007 16 03 00 Paul G quit timeout 23 01 2007 16 03 45 Paul B yes said something bit be released this month That was back in November so I need to email him again 23 01 2007 16 04 10 James a little nagging can usually speed things up 23 01 2007 16 06 36 Paul B Yeah need to ask them about the Octal input unit as well as the firmware doesn t currently allow pulse input 23 01 2007 16 07 31 James quite a flaw on an input device 23 01 2007 16 08 44 Paul B I think it is one of the newer modules and firmware improvements are on the way 23 01 2007 16 09 20 James at least they are activly doing things makes a change from some hardware suppliers 23 01 2007 16 10 07 Paul B They are incredibly responsive they always respond to my email in a timely fashion with in depth information 23 01 2007 16 11 10 James that s alwasy nice to know especially as their hardware is running your house 23 01 2007 16 11 16 Paul B Software is good if a little unpretty 23 01 2007 16 11 47 James once they have xAP you can do the pretty elsewhere 23 01 2007 16 11 48 Paul B I like the idea of interfacing other technolgies hence my interest in xAP 23 01 2007 16 12 37 James well it does certainly open the door to interfacing all sorts of things 23 01 2007 16 13 10 Paul B Who wrote the MCE plugin Have you tried it 23 01 2007 16 13 51 James Stuart Booth I don t have MCE so never used it I use XBMC instead 23 01 2007 16 16 10 Paul B XBMC Is that Xbox hack 23 01 2007 16 17 07 James it s not really a hack but it does need a modded xbox It s a brilliant media player though 23 01 2007 16 18 13 Paul B I heard Xboxes are quite noisey because of the fan is that true 23 01 2007 16 18 19 James and i xAPped it to do callerid popups like this http www mi4 biz files xbmc xbmccallerid jpg 23 01 2007 16 18 44 James a little noisy but if i could be bothered to I could just swap the fan 23 01 2007 16 19 11 Paul B Now callerid is something I would like to add soon But does it need specific modems 23 01 2007 16 19 35 James you re in the uk 23 01 2007 16 19 44 Paul B I am not sure which way to go with Video streaming and PVR 23 01 2007 16 19 46 Paul B yes 23 01 2007 16 20 11 James a Metoer is the most reliable in the uk an old Pace modem works too 23 01 2007 16 20 38 Paul B are Metoer still made 23 01 2007 16 20 41 James and some USrobotics sportsters do too 23 01 2007 16 20 52 James yep but it s not cheap 23 01 2007 16 22 08 James http www pathwaydata co uk 23 01 2007 16 22 40 Paul B quit timeout 23 01 2007 16 22 59 Paul B hmmm what is 23 01 2007 16 23 31 Paul B oops 23 01 2007 16 23 46 Paul B what do you use 23 01 2007 16 23 57 James a meteor 23 01 2007 16 24 04 James connected to xAPTel 23 01 2007 16 24 13 James logged by xAP Switchboard 23 01 2007 16 24 23 James announced by xAP Speech 23 01 2007 16 24 28 James Linked to Outlook 23 01 2007 16 24 41 James and displayed on my XBMC and slimp3s 23 01 2007 16 25 02 Paul B I like that idea 23 01 2007 16 25 38 James Kevin did a diagram of possible interactions possible 23 01 2007 16 25 39 James http www mi4 biz modules php name Content pa showpage pid 58 23 01 2007 16 26 09 Paul B So who are the main stakeholders of xAP 23 01 2007 16 27 37 James There are about 10 developers and then various companies that have added xAP support 23 01 2007 16 27 54 James people keep popping up 23 01 2007 16 28 17 James always interested in more help though 23 01 2007 16 29 39 Paul B My skills are limited as I am self taught VB Scripter However with the upcoming xAP framework based on Net 2 maybe I have a chance 23 01 2007 16 30 45 KevinH Back Hi P 23 01 2007 16 30 56 Paul B Hi Kevin 23 01 2007 16 31 11 James I know Edwards getting close on the net2 code If you do have free time then things like the wiki or guides always need writing and updating 23 01 2007 16 31 20 Paul B I guess with Net integration then you can also use Powershell 23 01 2007 16 31 34 James quite probably 23 01 2007 16 32 04 James I have never used net though Must do one day or maybe java 23 01 2007 16 32 16 Paul B cool what happened to the xapframework website I found it quite frustrating when I first learnt of xAP 23 01 2007 16 33 25 Paul B I am a Systems Engineer rather than developer but learning how to automate and script it is so powerful 23 01 2007 16 33 29 James the hosting company went bust and backups wern t available We ve just got the domain pointed to the wiki now which atleast explains things Before as you say it was just an anoying black hole 23 01 2007 16 34 04 Paul B o 23 01 2007 16 34 11 James You may wnat to look at Floorplan as it s fully scriptable by vbscript so you ll fell right at home 23 01 2007 16 34 26 Paul B 23 01 2007 16 35 24 Paul B I must learn something else than VBS as MS seemed to have dropped development years ago But what Javascript VB Net Java 23 01 2007 16 36 10 James I m thnking Java is the way to go That way you get proper cross platform usage 23 01 2007 16 36 09 KevinH Right caught up now 23 01 2007 16 37 04 KevinH P Do have a play with xAP Floorplan it can do amazing things and is an ideal way to tie xAP bits together particularly if you know VBS 23 01 2007 16 37 17 James I ve just found my Occupancy bug D 23 01 2007 16 37 35 Paul B I guess 23 01 2007 16 38 02 James Paul have a look at this http www mi4 biz modules php name News file article sid 144 23 01 2007 16 38 06 KevinH In fact although it is called Floorplan you really don t have to use it in a floorplan mode it s perhaps slightly misleading it can be used to create any realtime graphic interface via a web browser 23 01 2007 16 38 35 KevinH or you dont even have to have a GUI just use teh script engine 23 01 2007 16 38 38 James a new name may be a good idea maybe Bob 23 01 2007 16 38 48 Paul B cool will have a look and persuade Idratek to get an xAP plugin 23 01 2007 16 39 48 James assuming Idratek use the standard schemas Floorplan will automatically detect and setup deviecs for it 23 01 2007 16 39 58 Paul B ok where is data logged as this is a major downside on Idratek 23 01 2007 16 39 58 KevinH The other interesting thing about FP is it uses AJAX which is a realtime communications layer taht sits behind a web browser this means that images and values change state graphically in realtime not just when you do a browser refresh 23 01 2007 16 40 50 KevinH I feel a J moment coming up any sec 23 01 2007 16 41 10 Paul B I have heard a lot about AJAX but as I say I am a newbie to development 23 01 2007 16 41 14 James which is what is powering that squeezebox display in that demo 23 01 2007 16 42 20 KevinH you dont have to know anything about AJAX its just there its actually the same sort of technology that thinsg like Google earth and Maps use maybe not quite on teh saem level though 23 01 2007 16 42 24 Paul B So with xAP as the standard protocol where can you log the various data from the various systems 23 01 2007 16 43 06 Paul B ok I am familiar with Google maps and found that quite easy to use when creating diretcions for our weeding 23 01 2007 16 43 22 Paul B weeding doh I meant wedding 23 01 2007 16 43 28 KevinH Re the data logging Floorplan has the integrated ability to log each device independently to a database so you can chooses as little or as much as you want 23 01 2007 16 43 32 Paul B 8 23 01 2007 16 43 42 James a few apps do their own logging Apps liek floorplan log all devices unless configured not to You can also use a database connector and just log all mesages toa db 23 01 2007 16 43 50 Paul B So could I use MySQL 23 01 2007 16 44 07 KevinH I was going to say I didnt realise the terrain pictures were quite good enough for weeding 23 01 2007 16 44 15 James currently an mdb but just adding odbc to floorplan as we speak 23 01 2007 16 44 26 Paul B cool 23 01 2007 16 44 40 Paul B bbs 23 01 2007 16 45 45 KevinH BSC devices and others just get supported automaticaly in FP too 23 01 2007 16 46 17 KevinH In fact teh SlimServer when detected by FP pops in a control and a display maybe that was the link J posted 23 01 2007 16 46 54 Paul B Ok maybe time for a play of Floorplan on my home server 23 01 2007 16 46 55 James yep that link was the flash demo 23 01 2007 16 47 37 Paul B So where is xAP going Interesting to see MS getting into the Home server market 23 01 2007 16 47 40 KevinH There is one problem with FP though 23 01 2007 16 47 56 KevinH It turns ON lights when you re out and off when you re in 23 01 2007 16 48 03 KevinH 23 01 2007 16 48 10 James It s going as far as possible 23 01 2007 16 48 59 James I just fixed that daft AI module I had it taking sunrise sunset data the wrong way round so it switched modes at the wrong time 23 01 2007 16 49 27 KevinH xAP is always going to be hard to snowball as there s no money or marketing behind it but the great thing is it alows you to do things that just weren t clear how to before 23 01 2007 16 49 57 James and most of it being free helps too 23 01 2007 16 50 17 Paul B What has got me into HA is the ability to make the house more intelligent to save energy to make the mundane automatic to give me information on why my elec bill is high this month 23 01 2007 16 50 21 KevinH Its as close to a how to as possible for do it yourself HA for any computer enthusiast prepared to learn a little 23 01 2007 16 51 04 James PG that all sounds very possible 23 01 2007 16 51 16 James PB i mean 23 01 2007 16 51 20 Paul B It seems to be MS aligned is that by deisgn or accident In contrast xPL seems

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2007 01 16 - xAP Automation
    01 2007 16 33 16 KevinH How do you configure it L Or is it not that far yet 16 01 2007 16 33 39 lehane I didn t know you d done it This uses the Modtronix board with a FRAM About 45quid each 16 01 2007 16 33 49 lehane Web interface in the EEPROM 16 01 2007 16 34 00 KevinH I used a xAP message to add and delete mappings 16 01 2007 16 34 25 KevinH I was going to add a web interface but at the time I was stuck for space 16 01 2007 16 34 40 lehane Yes that s why I had to go for the board with FRAM 16 01 2007 16 34 59 James FRAM 16 01 2007 16 35 03 KevinH The xAP classes are quite good as you can build hardware BSC maps on teh fly eg from FP perhpas 16 01 2007 16 35 50 lehane One other potential cheap project is a watchdog watches n number of devices and if one or more fail executes some xAP messages 16 01 2007 16 36 18 lehane since I use xAP for the heating there are some failures that would leave it fired up 16 01 2007 16 37 12 James a hardware watchdog does seem a needed device 16 01 2007 16 37 22 lehane FRAM Ferro Ram http en wikipedia org wiki Ferroelectric RAM 16 01 2007 16 37 59 lehane Be easy to watch for heartbeats and after some period just kickoff the messages 16 01 2007 16 38 14 James yep 16 01 2007 16 39 02 James did you see the uLinux unit that was used in that opnode That looks a very nice little hardware platform 16 01 2007 16 39 09 lehane who watches the watchdog 16 01 2007 16 39 22 James the cat 16 01 2007 16 39 45 lehane Yes nice unit not sure about the pricing for the first applications 16 01 2007 16 41 08 James hopefully once they get sales they can get bettter production costs 16 01 2007 16 41 08 KevinH I believe he is reducing the prices at least for the initial purchasers 16 01 2007 16 41 32 James Following Kevin s advices we re trying to get better prices for the opn one 16 01 2007 16 41 48 KevinH The dev kit costs if you use their OS are very high 16 01 2007 16 41 49 James you re famous again 16 01 2007 16 42 00 KevinH Where does it say that 16 01 2007 16 42 14 James Latest News 16 01 2007 16 42 20 James http www opnode org dw doku php id opnode home 16 01 2007 16 42 37 lehane Small volumes are a killer The only reason the Modtronix PIC board are so cheap is volume and a free toolkit and TCP IP stack 16 01 2007 16 44 08 James is it this one you are using http www modtronix com product info php cPath 1 36 products id 73 16 01 2007 16 46 03 lehane that URL doesn t work for me I used the SBC45EC for the LCD and the SBC65 68EC for the mapper and future projects 16 01 2007 16 46 30 James k i was looking at the SBC44EC 16 01 2007 16 46 51 lehane 44 and 45 pretty much the same just some I O port changes 16 01 2007 16 47 19 James so are these programmed in C or do you get a nice language to work with 16 01 2007 16 47 43 KevinH Is C not a nice language 16 01 2007 16 47 48 lehane proper C MPLAB C18 16 01 2007 16 47 59 James you didn t think so yesterday 16 01 2007 16 48 06 James k 16 01 2007 16 48 13 KevinH Not sure I do today either 16 01 2007 16 48 27 KevinH MPLAB is a pay product isnt it now 16 01 2007 16 48 35 James has the bug resurfaced btw 16 01 2007 16 49 08 James FREE MPLAB C18 Student Edition v3 02 16 01 2007 16 49 50 lehane after 60 days the optimisation is turned off 16 01 2007 16 50 53 lehane and the code won t fit 16 01 2007 16 51 10 James not helpful then 16 01 2007 16 51 29 KevinH Nope I think I squished it this time 16 01 2007 16 51 40 lehane One can always uninstall and re install 16 01 2007 16 52 17 KevinH Does VMWare solve this too 16 01 2007 16 52 51 KevinH L is your xAP parsing code your own or derived from Patricks 16 01 2007 16 53 25 lehane The parser is mine I took Patricks address match but it didn t match subs correctly 16 01 2007 16 53 46 KevinH Ahh yes I ahve a fix for that but I guess you ve done it anyway 16 01 2007 16 54 12 lehane probably differently 16 01 2007 16 54 49 KevinH Do you parse and action each incoming xAP line on the fly line by line or do you store a whole message construct in RAM 16 01 2007 16 55 21 lehane The ethernet chip buffers a frame so you only need a line buffer in local ram 16 01 2007 16 55 22 KevinH I know I do not do it efficiently as I store teh whol xAp construct as per Patricks code 16 01 2007 16 56 25 KevinH and you buffer several frames 16 01 2007 16 57 03 lehane no can t do that with the hardware So it releases as soon as it has no match 16 01 2007 16 57 13 KevinH just wondering what would happen in very heavy traffic 16 01 2007 16 57

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2007 01 02 - xAP Automation
    James i can see the use though 02 01 2007 16 39 47 KevinH Instead of havinga loop checking if A nd B and C and D are in a state you have trigger values that are updated when any member changes state ie after perhpas a xAP message from A B C or D 02 01 2007 16 40 10 KevinH and then a amcro that runs when triggerX is fired 02 01 2007 16 40 33 KevinH so you don t have any need to loop and check mutiple If s anymore 02 01 2007 16 41 25 KevinH and I guess in your ap there is a good place to be informed if any individual device or variable changes state 02 01 2007 16 41 47 KevinH time is a slightly more demanding one of course 02 01 2007 16 42 19 James i m still thinking on how it will fit together but i ll get there 02 01 2007 16 43 19 KevinH I must admit though teh C Bus HV code is all event driven with pseudo concurrent processes but it makes it very difficult to trace code and know what causes a particular crash 02 01 2007 16 43 31 James yahoo is getting very annoying btw I been bounced every could of days and messages are taking ages to get sent to me 02 01 2007 16 44 54 KevinH some of my processes suspend themselves whilst waiting for something else to happen which means I have to be careful with values changing but thats not what is causing my current bug at least I think its not 02 01 2007 16 45 18 KevinH Yahoo is OK for me re bounces haven t been baounced once in 18 montsh but delays are awful 02 01 2007 16 46 48 KevinH It continually bounces me if I use my ISP s Spam filter as they hardbounce any suspected Spam messages back to the sender ie Yahoo who immediately suspend my account 02 01 2007 16 48 09 KevinH The delays mean I see replies way before the originals very frequently 02 01 2007 16 48 26 James i think thats what happens to me I ve switched ukha to daily digest hopefully that will help 02 01 2007 16 48 29 KevinH so it s not just a Yahoo time to process thing 02 01 2007 16 48 46 James I havn t received any of the messages i sent today 02 01 2007 16 49 46 KevinH I turned off Spam filtering and one of my ISP s allows a SPAM header to be added which I filter The other I just never read as its not an address I use apart from Yahoo which I pull out 02 01 2007 16 49 57 KevinH I can see teh three you posted 02 01 2007 16 50 13 KevinH xAPTalk X2 and Slim 02 01 2007 16 50 23 lehane joins My room 02 01 2007 16 50 40 KevinH Hi Lehane HNY 02 01 2007 16 50 42 lehane evening and Happy New Year 02 01 2007 16 50 49 James hny too 02 01 2007 16 51 05 KevinH You re getting here just as I have to leave and go pick up my sister 02 01 2007 16 51 33 KevinH Who s on a late Xmas party meal 02 01 2007 16 51 34 lehane OK catch you next week I hope 02 01 2007 16 52 07 KevinH Next week should be fine 02 01 2007 16 52 43 James L I didn t mention in the email the config room tab won t do much 02 01 2007 16 53 13 James so it s Kevin cabs to teh rescue again 02 01 2007 16 53 58 KevinH Yep I benefit a lot the other way around too 02 01 2007 16 54 10 James that s ok then 02 01 2007 16 54 13 lehane J OK I just got around to the mails and saw the new version I ll load it tomorrow and try the empty DB BTW is there any DB truncation 02 01 2007 16 54 17 KevinH but she s moving soon so that ll be a thing of teh past 02 01 2007 16 54 42 lehane Mmm for us it s usually the teenagers and parties at the moment 02 01 2007 16 54 45 James or just a longer cab journey 02 01 2007 16 55 39 James xFP does a db compaction at startup I m tweaking it to do some overnight tasks 02 01 2007 16 55 55 James also to make it odbc able 02 01 2007 16 56 17 James oh do you access the db from anything other that FP 02 01 2007 16 56 41 lehane it would be nice to use mysql or if you must MSDE Pers SQL 2005 02 01 2007 16 57 16 James mysql would be the first choice 02 01 2007 16 57 55 lehane yes I use access to load some of the DB Globals but a one shot thing 02 01 2007 16 58 42 James the table names have been prefixed by xAP Floorplan so your access may need a tweak 02 01 2007 16 58 53 James columns are the same though 02 01 2007 16 59 30 lehane OK not a big problem How big has your DB got 02 01 2007 16 59 55 James only about 5mb but i havn t got many devices set to log 02 01 2007 17 01 08 lehane Yes I should probably turn off logging on most of them The LOG tab only works about 1 in 10 times due to size 02 01 2007 17 01 44 James are you running the latest intranet ocx 02 01 2007 17 02 12 KevinH just telephoned got 5 mins reprieve 02 01

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2006 12 05 - xAP Automation
    system that responds to a certain button and it get triggered a large amount of times 05 12 2006 15 53 25 Edward And it wears the wires out 05 12 2006 15 53 41 Edward I ll put it on the wish list 05 12 2006 15 53 44 James and the blinky lights in the switch 05 12 2006 15 53 48 James ta 05 12 2006 15 54 14 Edward Right now I m having too much fun with Dynalite SQL Server Perl and CD ripping 05 12 2006 15 54 20 James everything else seems very stable no new issues to report 05 12 2006 15 55 04 Edward I spotted the blank display issue here just once caught it out of the corner of my eye grrrrr 05 12 2006 15 55 05 James how much dynalite do you have 05 12 2006 15 55 24 James well it s very repeat able here 05 12 2006 15 55 25 Edward About 2Kg 05 12 2006 15 55 38 Edward Sorry it s been a long day 05 12 2006 15 55 43 James still boxed then 05 12 2006 15 55 56 Edward Counts on fingers 05 12 2006 15 56 24 Edward 24 dimmer channels 8 relay channels and 9 control panels 05 12 2006 15 56 39 James lots of installing to do then 05 12 2006 15 56 41 Edward all wired up 05 12 2006 15 56 56 James be that took a while 05 12 2006 15 56 57 Edward Install is all done 05 12 2006 15 57 20 Edward It s the xAP interface 05 12 2006 15 57 38 Edward Having fun doing smart things 05 12 2006 15 57 52 Edward Like controlling the lights from the Slim player 05 12 2006 15 58 06 James I 05 12 2006 15 58 11 Edward well I think that s smart anyway 05 12 2006 15 58 52 James you could trigger light moods based on the genre of muci played on the slim 05 12 2006 15 59 05 James muci music 05 12 2006 16 00 14 Edward you could but that might not be smart 05 12 2006 16 01 00 James could be interesting though 05 12 2006 16 02 01 Lexfordparc Pa joins My room 05 12 2006 16 02 33 Lexfordparc Pa Good evening all 05 12 2006 16 02 42 James evening 05 12 2006 16 04 34 Lexfordparc Pa Hope everyone is well 05 12 2006 16 05 02 James i think we are all in that pre christmas busy mode 05 12 2006 16 05 18 Lexfordparc Pa Don t work is hell 05 12 2006 16 05 25 max joins My room 05 12 2006 16 05 49 max evening all 05 12 2006 16 06 01 James hi max 05 12 2006 16 08 18 max edward is BSC control of slim players working in the connector 05 12 2006 16 08 50 Edward Hi 05 12 2006 16 08 57 Edward Yes in a simple way 05 12 2006 16 09 15 Edward each Player is a BSC level endpoint 05 12 2006 16 09 28 Edward on off controls its power 05 12 2006 16 09 35 Edward the level controls its volume 05 12 2006 16 09 51 Edward planned extensions are to 05 12 2006 16 10 27 Edward have a bunch of endpoints for each player to control play pause volume power display brighness 05 12 2006 16 10 59 Edward Or do you mean it seems broken 05 12 2006 16 11 01 Lexfordparc Pa How easy is it to create custom xPA messages to send to Slim 05 12 2006 16 11 10 max i don t appear to have BSC control of power and volume here 05 12 2006 16 11 33 James L from what app do you want to send the messages 05 12 2006 16 11 52 Lexfordparc Pa I want to play and learn 05 12 2006 16 12 19 Lexfordparc Pa Currently have the GUI Hub installed so can see messages 05 12 2006 16 12 22 Edward Since they are BSC messages you need to target them to the specific player are you doing that 05 12 2006 16 12 29 James there are command line xAP senders that just take a text file with the message in it 05 12 2006 16 12 30 max i ve added a player to a floorplan map the controls appear and the relevent messages can be seen in viewer but i never get a response from the player 05 12 2006 16 12 41 James Viewer can send messages fro it s gui 05 12 2006 16 13 13 Lexfordparc Pa Thanks I ll have a look 05 12 2006 16 14 04 James Floorplan can do raw messages use scripts to build messages and has autoscripts which are like templated messages soa bit more point and clcik 05 12 2006 16 14 18 max just double checked target and id are fine 05 12 2006 16 14 35 Edward Max how do you mean never get a response xAP response or player action 05 12 2006 16 14 59 max no response with a player action 05 12 2006 16 15 05 Lexfordparc Pa I prefer CLI to GUI 05 12 2006 16 15 55 James as xAP is just a udp you can send easily from php perl vb anything really 05 12 2006 16 16 45 Lexfordparc Pa okay is it possible from vbs or even Powershell 05 12 2006 16 17 01 Edward xFx has xAP send CLI 05 12 2006 16 17 26 Edward I call that from vbs for a couple of things eg DigiGuide 05 12 2006 16 17 27 Lexfordparc Pa xFx is the Framework Ed based on Net 05 12 2006 16 17 43

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2006 11 29 - xAP Automation
    and xAPTel will cover the software side of it 28 11 2006 15 35 30 James yep it s a pain and number only 28 11 2006 15 36 12 Lexford aka Pa Okay Somone recommended Zoom modems But if you have a Pace model number I would like to have a look 28 11 2006 15 36 32 James I use a pace Solo 28 11 2006 15 36 46 James I think some US robotics ones work too 28 11 2006 15 37 11 James http www mi4 biz modules php name Content pa showpage pid 38 are some old pics of Switchboard 28 11 2006 15 37 32 Lexford aka Pa Thanks 28 11 2006 15 37 42 James actually they are very old it looks much nicer now 28 11 2006 15 38 12 James http www mi4 biz modules php name News file article sid 74 for xAP News 28 11 2006 15 38 50 James also if you look top right of the images you will see the various applications linking up to form a mini intranet 28 11 2006 15 40 01 Lexford aka Pa One thing I have achieved so far is to use a Maxbotix Ultrasound device to measure distance to within 1 This feeds an analogue signal into an Idratek device My intention with this is to monitor the level of water in my oversized water butt it holds 650l 28 11 2006 15 41 19 Lexford aka Pa Then I can switch the diverter filter from the down pipe on and off which will allow for topping up when I irrigate the garden and power wash the car 28 11 2006 15 41 46 James 650l is more like a poool that a water but 28 11 2006 15 42 11 James nice use of ultrasonics though It s a good way of keeping the sensor out of the water 28 11 2006 15 42 49 Lexford aka Pa I got it from FreeRain we have been on a hosepipe ban for the last 18 months 28 11 2006 15 43 08 Lexford aka Pa Do get a few looks from the neighbours when pressure washing the car 28 11 2006 15 43 23 James 18 months I though thames water was bad 28 11 2006 15 44 05 Lexford aka Pa My problem was I cound t find a cheap way to monitor water level until someone suggested the Ultrasound device 28 11 2006 15 44 32 Lexford aka Pa I am just outside Eastbourne 28 11 2006 15 45 47 James well it seems an ideal way to monitor water levels 28 11 2006 15 47 00 Lexford aka Pa Yeah and cost about 30 with a very fine beam 28 11 2006 15 47 27 James and the output is a 0 10v 28 11 2006 15 48 25 Lexford aka Pa 0 to 2 55v 1 10mv 28 11 2006 15 48 46 Lexford aka

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2006 11 21 - xAP Automation
    128x64 though 21 11 2006 16 30 49 James very similar config but full screen and designed for finger use 21 11 2006 16 31 08 James I had it ona point510 and some POS units 21 11 2006 16 31 38 lehane I have some of them D 21 11 2006 16 31 56 kevint The point 510 wasnt brilliant I think 21 11 2006 16 32 00 James i tried to make it light so it ran on them reasonable quicky 21 11 2006 16 32 03 kevint had to be win98 21 11 2006 16 32 13 James but the 510 was as kt not great 21 11 2006 16 32 28 James but the 510 was as kt said not great 21 11 2006 16 32 32 lehane no too slow the Celeron 500 C500 is much much better 21 11 2006 16 32 34 James 21 11 2006 16 32 39 kevint I have 2 3400 s here jsut waiting 21 11 2006 16 34 13 James my todo list just got bigger then 21 11 2006 16 34 19 KevinH L What smarts has the touchscreen lcd got eg RAM processing 21 11 2006 16 34 45 kevint 21 11 2006 16 35 50 lehane It has a few interfaces inc RS232 and is preprogrammed with a menuing touch response system 21 11 2006 16 36 34 KevinH so the menu hierarchy is defined and it will step through these as needed by itself 21 11 2006 16 37 18 lehane no you tell it is a menu type a which may be 4x4 and then define each button You can then get a response to each by polling 21 11 2006 16 37 45 lehane so in a config file you could define a menu structure and the BSC repsonses 21 11 2006 16 38 42 KevinH and this is a monochrome not greyscale display 21 11 2006 16 39 18 lehane J datetime is the time the activity happened Period is period since reset reset message missing 21 11 2006 16 39 32 KevinH and it is driven by an external engine then over say RS232 sees responses and changes display 21 11 2006 16 39 47 James k just needed clearing up 21 11 2006 16 40 04 lehane kh yes mono engine would be on PC 21 11 2006 16 40 32 KevinH right and the display is commercial or your design 21 11 2006 16 40 48 lehane commercial www simmetry com 21 11 2006 16 42 38 KevinH so somehow you tell the controller that an area of presumably any defined size is one touch area and it will reoprt that as touch A for example and you can redefine these areas on teh fly as you change screens 21 11 2006 16 43 09 KevinH and you can have several different sized areas active on one screen 21 11 2006 16 44 00 lehane no it is simpler than that unless you create bmp s and your own maps just a selection of useful types 21 11 2006 16 44 54 lehane but you can have backgrounds and remove unwanted buttons 21 11 2006 16 45 18 KevinH Just trying to get my head around what makes a sensible way to utilise this from xAP 21 11 2006 16 45 50 KevinH via your PC app 21 11 2006 16 48 49 KevinH E you there 21 11 2006 16 51 29 Edward Yup multitasking 21 11 2006 16 52 44 KevinH In relation to SlimServer I think in the discussions around 11thJan2005 on teh xAPDev list we were thinking 21 11 2006 16 54 05 KevinH That perhpas sending transport event messages every 10 secs was a good compromise with this increasing in the last few secs of a tracks playing time to maybe 1 every second or even more frequently 21 11 2006 16 55 11 KevinH although we had little input at the time was this something that you feel is better every sec or just a for now lets see suggestion 21 11 2006 16 55 46 KevinH I think teh logic was that towards the end we needed higher frequencies to allow better synching 21 11 2006 16 56 14 KevinH if something was to want to synchronise on the track end start 21 11 2006 16 56 30 Edward I read those discussions and thought that 1 per second was what what was asked for so I followed that I must have missed the 10 till near the end bit 21 11 2006 16 57 25 KevinH for example I update the 21 11 2006 16 57 37 Edward Fond it now 21 11 2006 16 57 39 KevinH oops copy paste failed 21 11 2006 16 57 41 Edward Found 21 11 2006 16 58 03 KevinH Maybe it was just the way i did it not an agreement 21 11 2006 16 59 14 KevinH Was just trying to reduce network traffic but also allowing for a just launched controller in eg xAP desktop to pickup the now playing info and the current track positioning always within 10 secs 21 11 2006 17 00 30 lehane A first cut on a touch screen http www mm wave com simmetry1 jpg its the standby screen 21 11 2006 17 01 26 kevint nice 21 11 2006 17 01 38 James very nice 21 11 2006 17 01 49 lehane graphic design isn t my strong point 21 11 2006 17 01 55 James and blue can t go wrong with blue 21 11 2006 17 02 11 kevint nice bee 21 11 2006 17 02 33 KevinH I think I need to read the Simmetry docs before I can get my xAp mind around it it seems that getting presses to xAPBSC events or even cmds would be useful and maybe using a BSC text device to update text would be nice but then 21 11 2006 17 02 39 lehane yes everything is blue I changed the Dyanlite LED s to blue 21 11 2006 17 02 53 Edward Seems odd to be worrying about xAP network traffic in the region of one UDP packet per second when the SlimServer is spewing out multiple audio streams as well as all the packets to animate its displays 21 11 2006 17 03 49 Edward Not to mention refreshing web browser interface with complete page reloads 21 11 2006 17 03 51 KevinH maybe this is the wrong layer I m thinking at and all the logic driving will be at a lower level 21 11 2006 17 04 11 kevint on a new subject anyone played with rfid 21 11 2006 17 04 25 lehane I ll put my menuing spec up later in the week Bear in mind it is pretty specific to the simmetry device but they are cheap 21 11 2006 17 04 56 lehane real RFID or security RFID 21 11 2006 17 05 00 KevinH The xAP traffic is absolutely minimal I agree just puts a lot of messages in Viewer and of course all the xAP receiving devices have to parse each one but it s not an issue here 21 11 2006 17 05 35 kevint whats thge difference 21 11 2006 17 06 29 lehane RFID on products packaging 10 50p each EPC Generation 2 RFID ISO 1443 about 150p 21 11 2006 17 06 31 KevinH E I m comfortable with it as it is really 21 11 2006 17 06 45 kevint I have a device here that claims to do rfid at 8 metres further with good aerial 21 11 2006 17 06 59 lehane 13 56MHz 21 11 2006 17 07 07 kevint and is probably neither of those 21 11 2006 17 07 24 KevinH It would be nice to have options in Viewer to filter its messages such that they never get in teh buffer at all 21 11 2006 17 09 26 KevinH What size is that device K 21 11 2006 17 09 31 kevint 315Mhz 21 11 2006 17 10 03 kevint well the reciever is about the size of a quasar 21 11 2006 17 10 13 kevint serial interface 21 11 2006 17 10 30 lehane eek 315MHz is US only 433MHz in EU 21 11 2006 17 11 01 kevint i wont tell if you wont 21 11 2006 17 11 10 Edward Agree viewer needs to be re thought to meet the needs of busy xAP networks it s becoming almost impossible to debug with stuff flying up the screen it s also a very inefficient app 21 11 2006 17 11 18 KevinH The RFID tag is a powered TX 21 11 2006 17 11 27 lehane 315MHz in middle of military aeronutical 21 11 2006 17 11 49 kevint the transmitter is 4cm bu 4 5 cm most of which is a cr2032 21 11 2006 17 12 05 kevint 433 versions are available 21 11 2006 17 12 22 KevinH It s very clumsy in high traffic and it displays messages in the wrong order not as they are rx 21 11 2006 17 12 38 kevint i dont think an 8m range is going cause any navigational errors 21 11 2006 17 13 34 kevint I was thinking of putting one in our cars 21 11 2006 17 13 39 KevinH famous last words as he thinks of Pace Digi boxes sending SOS signals to coastguards 21 11 2006 17 13 50 kevint so that when we get home i can have xFP events 21 11 2006 17 14 37 kevint real or cyber legend 21 11 2006 17 14 49 lehane and most car keyfobs are on 433MHz 433 92 to be exact 21 11 2006 17 14 49 KevinH Real 21 11 2006 17 15 31 KevinH They happen to have a spurii on the costguard distress frequency 21 11 2006 17 15 42 KevinH very bizarre 21 11 2006 17 16 08 KevinH 433Mhz its a jungle out there 21 11 2006 17 16 53 KevinH inc the 2m Amateur band 21 11 2006 17 17 03 lehane 70cm 21 11 2006 17 17 08 KevinH sorry 21 11 2006 17 17 28 KevinH Sorry long time since Ive been on it 144 or 433 21 11 2006 17 17 38 James Lehane just remembered my other tsc question 21 11 2006 17 18 02 James bsc had a nice optional concept of DisplayText 21 11 2006 17 18 13 James any chance of adding it 21 11 2006 17 18 39 James would be ideal for display screens 21 11 2006 17 18 59 lehane don t see any reason why not the consuming apps can decide whether to display or process and display 21 11 2006 17 19 28 James indeed 21 11 2006 17 20 04 KevinH its quite useful for threshold limits as well eg on a temp sensor having normal hot cold alarm etc 21 11 2006 17 20 31 lehane ah alarms A new class xAPTSC alarm 21 11 2006 17 21 09 James as in a big event 21 11 2006 17 21 35 lehane yes when passing some preset hi lo whatever value 21 11 2006 17 22 20 KevinH The problem with TSC is that actually it encompasses such a huge range of devices almost every input and output device and so they ll be loads of things that will be desireable 21 11 2006 17 22 21 James and sent as a replacement for or as well as a event 21 11 2006 17 22 55 KevinH I think alarms are an important accompanying one 21 11 2006 17 23 16 James I did wonder if setpoints belong in aseperate block 21 11 2006 17 23 50 James as they are realyl quite seperate 21 11 2006 17 24 00 KevinH as are things like min max average which raises the whole over what period as well 21 11 2006 17 24 39 James I think alarm may be better as a block within a event message 21 11 2006 17 24 58 lehane setpoints are about the process rather than the measurement min max period need a reset message defining 21 11 2006 17 26 48 James i see what a setpiont is in a cmd but what does it mean ina event 21 11 2006 17 26 51 KevinH The reset message would solve some of that althougha device might still want to be able to report several stats eg min max in last hour and also last day and since reset 21 11 2006 17 27 34 lehane kh I think that gets too complex and the monitoring apps can do the maths 21 11 2006 17 27 37 KevinH Maybe a start end xAPTime field included within a block 21 11 2006 17 27 52 kevint quit timeout 21 11 2006 17 28 12 lehane in an event it means the value passed the setpoint 21 11 2006 17 28 14 James more block usage would it think make things clearer 21 11 2006 17 28 47 James doesn t a event just mean a change 21 11 2006 17 28 52 KevinH with that a device could report any stats it wanted including the last reset time if it was just reporting since then 21 11 2006 17 30 13 lehane event does mean change the inclusion of the setpoint means change and setpoint But separate blocks makes a lot of sense 21 11 2006 17 30 38 James how would you know if it had passed the setpoint or hadn t got to the setpoint 21 11 2006 17 31 16 kevint quit timeout 21 11 2006 17 32 42 lehane only by comparison 21 11 2006 17 33 07 James k 21 11 2006 17 33 49 lehane bear in mind the setpoint could be changed by the user outside of xAP 21 11 2006 17 34 15 James and that change should trigger a event 21 11 2006 17 34 28 kevint quit timeout 21 11 2006 17 34 35 lehane thats what the spec currently says 21 11 2006 17 34 52 James so it does 21 11 2006 17 36 05 lehane the biggest problem with TSC is the potential complexity of the devices 21 11 2006 17 36 34 James indeed keeping things simple is really complicated 21 11 2006 17 36 56 lehane yep a case of the 80 20 rule 21 11 2006 17 37 12 James very true 21 11 2006 17 37 38 kevint quit timeout 21 11 2006 17 39 54 James grr ie7 is being forced on me 21 11 2006 17 40 32 lehane so separate bodies for alarms setpoints and datetimes for the measuring periods 21 11 2006 17 41 35 lehane thought you were a firefox man 21 11 2006 17 41 43 James yes please I do think that keeping to the info event cmd and query is a nice base an Alarm is an extension of a event 21 11 2006 17 41 55 James its the auto update thing 21 11 2006 17 42 39 lehane yes a body with alarm temperature and or setpoint temperature etc 21 11 2006 17 42 55 James yep seems a neat solution 21 11 2006 17 43 28 lehane OK KH any view 21 11 2006 17 45 37 KevinH I think that sounds fine 21 11 2006 17 46 37 KevinH I do like the ability to report any statistical info eg MAX MIN or AVG within one block with a start and end time though to cover all teh possibilities 21 11 2006 17 47 07 KevinH Its not practical to have a receiver constantly storing monitoring every packet 21 11 2006 17 47 26 lehane J one floorplan question OK 2 if a timer exists and you add another of the same name presumably it just updates and can you tell if a timer exists 21 11 2006 17 47 36 KevinH KevinT can t get back on here for some reason 21 11 2006 17 47 59 lehane K OK so one block for max temperature one for min temperature etc 21 11 2006 17 48 08 James this add a timer from a script 21 11 2006 17 48 15 lehane J yes 21 11 2006 17 48 44 James l it just adds a new timer It won t update an existing one 21 11 2006 17 49 08 lehane even if the same name 21 11 2006 17 49 22 James yep the name really doesn t matter 21 11 2006 17 49 31 KevinH You could perhpas have one block for all stats and just add appriate parameters eg Max Min Avg couldn t you 21 11 2006 17 49 40 lehane aaah that explains a lot 21 11 2006 17 50 13 James I guess a CheckTimer and Updatetimer function would be usefult them 21 11 2006 17 50 37 lehane K yes one block for stats on the basis that a reset resets them all 21 11 2006 17 51 27 lehane J yes please 21 11 2006 17 51 55 KevinH what I meant is that adevice could choose to support several stats and send appropriate blocks for a weekly daily and hourly range and also a user resettable one too makes it totally flexible 21 11 2006 17 52 31 lehane K sorry yes I see what you mean I was hung up on the resettable ones 21 11 2006 17 52 50 KevinH you get that too 21 11 2006 17 53 22 KevinH KT says goodnight btw he can t get back on 21 11 2006 17 53

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2006 11 15 - xAP Automation
    bind an app to a high port number and send xAP once every 10 seconds until it receives a message back That would mean that it would only trigger once the hub is bound and running 14 11 2006 16 44 16 James net app can takes ages to start even from the moment the service says started 14 11 2006 16 45 22 kevint Are you saying that the hub has not started and grabbed the port until well after the service starts 14 11 2006 16 45 33 James yep 14 11 2006 16 45 47 kevint o 14 11 2006 16 46 56 James it s life fun 14 11 2006 16 47 12 kevint S 14 11 2006 16 47 26 James i would say on my really slow server it takes about 30 seconds after teh hub says started to when it relays messages 14 11 2006 16 47 46 James on a bad day that is 14 11 2006 16 49 14 James why not jsut use a xAP app witha hbeat interval of 10 seconds and wait until it receives something 14 11 2006 16 49 30 James then you knwo for sure 14 11 2006 16 52 40 James and you could be very un xAP and only send the hbeats to the local IP address rather than broadcast which would prevent overloading every other app 14 11 2006 17 00 42 KevinH hi 14 11 2006 17 00 55 James hi 14 11 2006 17 01 11 KevinH what a dreary night 14 11 2006 17 01 42 James what did those visitors do to you 14 11 2006 17 01 45 KevinH anyway what s happened 14 11 2006 17 02 27 KevinH family are always the worst 14 11 2006 17 02 43 KevinH i did type by accident worts and corrected it 14 11 2006 17 02 47 James I broke something KT made something graphy then went ona tangent and E is having ideas 14 11 2006 17 03 03 KevinH what have you broken then 14 11 2006 17 03 21 James display on the slim 14 11 2006 17 03 30 James but E s on the case 14 11 2006 17 03 33 KevinH PS Rabbits are still fluffy wondeful pets 14 11 2006 17 03 58 KevinH although they can t pronounce there R s 14 11 2006 17 04 10 James http www savetoby com 14 11 2006 17 04 16 KevinH there their well they sound the same 14 11 2006 17 05 21 KevinH hmmm Adopt a free virtual pet and play with it online 14 11 2006 17 05 43 KevinH mine didn t even respond to pings 14 11 2006 17 06 08 James was that when the cable fell out then 14 11 2006 17 06 47 KevinH I hate to admit it but that was one bug that wasn t 14 11 2006 17 08 11 KevinH I m now back in teh realms of how to respond to bsc cmd messages sent from myself to myself when Ethernet is only half duplex 14 11 2006 17 08 47 KevinH and pushing the UDP tx packet back in my UDP receive routine don t work 14 11 2006 17 09 09 James the 1 2 duplex is a rabbit issue or jsut when linked to a hub 14 11 2006 17 09 53 kevint Theres nothing wrong with tangents 14 11 2006 17 10 10 kevint they are after all straignt lines 14 11 2006 17 10 22 KevinH I have seen in someone elses code DEFINE DUPLEX FULL which I need to investigate 14 11 2006 17 10 47 KevinH in the wrong direction 14 11 2006 17 10 56 KevinH How s things KT 14 11 2006 17 11 27 kevint apart from my tangent you mean 14 11 2006 17 11 52 kevint well I managed some comments on TSC and Lehane has re issued so that is progress 14 11 2006 17 11 56 KevinH We did have a philosphical discussion tonight on life the universe and 14 11 2006 17 12 14 KevinH Better than I did then 14 11 2006 17 12 40 kevint ah I thought he might have had the credits wrong 14 11 2006 17 12 44 KevinH The round world vs infinite space type of thing 14 11 2006 17 12 59 Edward I will have the answer to life the universe and on Friday 14 11 2006 17 13 01 kevint Now that is just too obtuse 14 11 2006 17 13 23 James i thought it was infinite repetition 14 11 2006 17 13 37 KevinH Hi E 14 11 2006 17 13 42 kevint joins My room 14 11 2006 17 13 46 Edward Hi 14 11 2006 17 14 05 James E i ll buy you a donut if message display works 14 11 2006 17 14 18 James with jam and everything 14 11 2006 17 14 29 Edward Krispy Kreme and ond your on 14 11 2006 17 14 37 James deal 14 11 2006 17 15 06 kevint I think we are talking serious junk food here 14 11 2006 17 15 09 Edward Friday is my birthday I ll be 42 gulp 14 11 2006 17 15 26 kevint We kevins are slightly older 14 11 2006 17 15 31 James so You are the answer to life the univere and 14 11 2006 17 15 34 kevint but happy birthday 14 11 2006 17 15 46 James indeed have a great day 14 11 2006 17 16 35 KevinH I expect great thinsg from teh Slim xAP release on Fri then 14 11 2006 17 16 47 Edward Just resolved Max s custom button mapping problem as not a defect so just one left persistent SubUID s thanks KH 14 11 2006 17 16 53 KevinH I

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