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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2006 11 07 - xAP Automation
    28 lehane ID is in to allow multiple parameters and for some equivalence with BSC 07 11 2006 16 51 01 kevint yes but I think BSC does not use ID in event and info 07 11 2006 16 51 40 kevint I can see the nees in commands where you want several things to happen at the same time 07 11 2006 16 52 11 KevinH it doesn t as it can alwaqys be recovered from the last two dogits of the UID but quite a few people have asked why it wasn t also provided in infos events but i think we were right to not include it 07 11 2006 16 52 42 KevinH excuse really bad typing circumstances require keyboard on lap 07 11 2006 16 53 57 KevinH I haven t got my hand scrawled notes here unfortunately as to some comments I had 07 11 2006 16 54 26 lehane so I guess assuming UID s lengths get fixed then it can be standardised to only commands 07 11 2006 16 55 17 KevinH The UID s will have a delimiter in them if they are increased which I hope should allow fairly easy recovery of the equivalent ID value 07 11 2006 16 55 47 KevinH FF 0123 2345 07 11 2006 16 56 01 KevinH ID 2345 07 11 2006 16 56 22 kevint I will re read the spec I have annd send you mor comments by the end of te weekend 07 11 2006 16 56 30 kevint I Promise 07 11 2006 16 56 53 lehane OK it would be nice to get an issued out by Xmas 07 11 2006 16 56 58 lehane g 07 11 2006 16 57 12 kevint Sounds like a plan 07 11 2006 16 57 29 KevinH We now do have access to the xFX hub viewer source code so I am hopeful we can update those apps to support the new UID format and the other niceities 07 11 2006 16 57 51 lehane SB back online 07 11 2006 16 58 16 KevinH Yes and No he s been in contact but may not be back in the fold just yet 07 11 2006 16 58 44 KevinH He wasn t aware we were trying to contact him 07 11 2006 16 59 39 lehane I take it Edward s Slim connector was a fresh start 07 11 2006 16 59 51 KevinH I think I had some thoughts as to whether TSC should disclose ranges available and accuracy info but that was all extra stuff there were one or two more fundamental thoughts 07 11 2006 17 00 11 KevinH Yes re the Slim conduit it s in Perl 07 11 2006 17 00 42 KevinH also there was max and min issues and over what period to resolve 07 11 2006 17 00 55 lehane That s a surprise I expected it to be xFx in NET 2 0 07 11 2006 17 01 20 lehane Periods are always going to be interesting with sensors 07 11 2006 17 01 22 KevinH It s written in Perl so its a SlimServer plugin 07 11 2006 17 01 46 KevinH It runs within teh SlimServer code now 0 07 11 2006 17 03 05 lehane Good since the Squezebox is the alarm clock 07 11 2006 17 04 03 KevinH What was the decided route around compound sensors L given I m looking at a temp humidity capable timer thermostat 07 11 2006 17 06 13 lehane context in the body header and multi body message from memory 07 11 2006 17 06 39 KevinH joins My room 07 11 2006 17 07 14 KevinH so did each sensor have its own UID 07 11 2006 17 07 35 KevinH or was that areason for ID in the body 07 11 2006 17 07 50 lehane I don t have the spec to hand 07 11 2006 17 08 35 KevinH NP I ll have aread and refresh myself but I have a feeling some of this was refined over a couple of xAPTalk nights 07 11 2006 17 08 52 KevinH with Gregg perhaps 07 11 2006 17 09 27 lehane I ll look back tomorrow 07 11 2006 17 10 29 KevinH Quick Q L where did you get the relay block from that you are using in your enclosures 07 11 2006 17 10 59 lehane ebay I also got some 8 way blocks a while back too 07 11 2006 17 11 39 KevinH Is it one block of relays not individually attached 07 11 2006 17 12 00 KevinH Its nice what would I serach for on eBay do you think 07 11 2006 17 12 28 lehane The big one is one PCB with 24 on The 8 way is one PCB that can be split DIN rail relay is the search 07 11 2006 17 13 03 kevint Thats got it now have jpg trends 07 11 2006 17 13 14 KevinH is the 24 version in some way DIN rail attached 07 11 2006 17 15 28 lehane yes the PCB is on a DIN mount Most of these are ex process control The 24 way is a french one the 8 way IFL uk farnell com jsp endecaSear artDetail jsp SKU 3703654 N 401 07 11 2006 17 16 30 lehane eek 81quid each 07 11 2006 17 16 55 KevinH Farnell and RS always produce an eek 07 11 2006 17 17 18 KevinH The 24 way were low voltage coils or mains 07 11 2006 17 17 30 lehane All 24V DC coils 07 11 2006 17 17 55 kevint I bought a couple like that on ebay 07 11 2006 17 18 08 KevinH I could do with a biggish one to take in transit light switches to netiom inputs or some mains input opto isolators maybe

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2006 10 31 - xAP Automation
    fun 31 10 2006 15 26 13 James 31 10 2006 15 26 17 Paul G 31 10 2006 15 26 28 Paul G they ve mostly flown away now 31 10 2006 15 26 33 kevint so I am looking for a beta tester for my quasar app 31 10 2006 15 26 38 KevinH Yes I have used it a little here DMX 31 10 2006 15 26 53 Paul G easy to setup and use 31 10 2006 15 26 58 James paul don t know if this is of any use http www henrys co uk disco ULTIMACP 30LEDCOLOURPODSYSTEM html 31 10 2006 15 27 21 KevinH main issue is that if you get a fault and DMX comms goed down then all your lights go out 31 10 2006 15 27 30 Paul G oh 31 10 2006 15 27 37 kevint it is if you have a quasar 3145 or equivilant 31 10 2006 15 27 42 Paul G but it will only be for fancy accent lighting 31 10 2006 15 27 51 James good DMX kit will remember it s last command 31 10 2006 15 28 02 KevinH although I think J said there were ways around this fancier devices or secondary BU controllers 31 10 2006 15 28 25 KevinH Also you tend to only be able to have one controller 31 10 2006 15 28 29 Paul G Thanks J looking for long bar continuous LED RGB light rather than spot 31 10 2006 15 28 40 James k 31 10 2006 15 28 45 kevint CAn I just ask abput xAPTSC and TSC 31 10 2006 15 28 48 James you can have inline controllers 31 10 2006 15 29 14 Paul G http www 3dzled com lighttubes html 31 10 2006 15 29 24 Paul G these look good and are cheap 31 10 2006 15 29 35 kevint I understand that schema prefixed xAP are official and core schema 31 10 2006 15 30 12 James i wonder how bright those are 31 10 2006 15 30 36 kevint but if the original central committee is not functioning at the moment how do you decide when TSC becomes xAPTSC 31 10 2006 15 30 43 KevinH yes no one can issue a schema starting xAP without it being approved by the steering committee but that needs reconsidering given current circumstances 31 10 2006 15 31 14 KevinH The idea was to prove a schema by it being available for a few months and then endorse it and add a xAP prefix 31 10 2006 15 31 19 Paul G umm couldn t find data on output lumens etc IIRC 31 10 2006 15 31 19 James just a different committee but same concept 31 10 2006 15 31 42 KevinH BSC didnt quite go that route but the discussion that wenta round it was onerous 31 10 2006 15 31 53 James looks quite heavily frosted which can really dim light outputs 31 10 2006 15 31 54 kevint I think xAP talk is the cloest thing to a steering group that we have right now 31 10 2006 15 32 19 Paul G yes but frosting is prob crucial for RGB mixing 31 10 2006 15 32 21 James We could just use the dev group and put it to a vote 31 10 2006 15 33 03 KevinH We do need to be careful on these issues as you need the people who have votes to be known to have thought it through 31 10 2006 15 33 52 James all stems from having the schema in a document for all to look at publicly 31 10 2006 15 33 53 KevinH I still like the methodology of releasing something revising proving it and then endorsing it 31 10 2006 15 34 09 James yes agreed 31 10 2006 15 34 12 kevint One view would be that since BSC was well established and that TSC was following many of BSC s constructs then the debate need be less onerous 31 10 2006 15 34 37 James especially is you go in to using the schema knwoing the initial part of teh schema will change 31 10 2006 15 35 06 James yes the only debate will be some of the syntax 31 10 2006 15 35 17 KevinH I do have some issues with TSC as it is currently but as I haven t written them up I feel I m not on very solid ground making such a comment 31 10 2006 15 35 53 KevinH I will get that done asap 31 10 2006 15 35 56 James its a very good start as is though 31 10 2006 15 36 05 KevinH yes agreed 31 10 2006 15 36 05 kevint Well I am in the same boat 31 10 2006 15 36 17 kevint I agree a sound start 31 10 2006 15 36 46 James I m jsut thinking of two K s in a boat at night 31 10 2006 15 37 20 KevinH Jerome K Jerome would be two J s and a K 31 10 2006 15 37 29 kevint there is apoem about that I think 31 10 2006 15 37 39 James 31 10 2006 15 37 43 KevinH Bags me the owl 31 10 2006 15 37 43 KevinH Bags me the owl 31 10 2006 15 38 29 kevint joins My room 31 10 2006 15 38 51 kevint so advice J if you would 31 10 2006 15 39 49 James joins My room 31 10 2006 15 40 17 kevint for the web page for my quasar app I have the 4 temperatures with descriptions values and engineering units 31 10 2006 15 40 28 KevinH talk s gone a bit funny 31 10 2006 15 40 38 kevint and it refreshes every minute 31 10 2006 15 40

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2006 10 24 - xAP Automation
    50 KevinH So within Jabber it doesn t have it s own directory I can search 24 10 2006 16 00 00 KevinH So 2b thick here 24 10 2006 16 00 07 James well panion be isn t talking to our server so maybe not a good choice try jabber org uk 24 10 2006 16 00 07 KevinH sorry 2b 24 10 2006 16 00 37 James each server has it s own search of it s own db and there are global telephone books that are being set up 24 10 2006 16 00 40 Paul G joins My room 24 10 2006 16 01 01 Paul G Hi 24 10 2006 16 01 40 James hi 24 10 2006 16 02 07 Paul G Anything interesting been going on 24 10 2006 16 02 54 James just too little free time 24 10 2006 16 03 04 Paul G 24 10 2006 16 03 12 James indeed 24 10 2006 16 03 28 Paul G so tell me about xAP HS 24 10 2006 16 03 38 Paul G can I achieve 24 10 2006 16 04 05 Paul G running a script based on receiving a tts start message 24 10 2006 16 04 34 Paul G I tried to get a script running via a variable update but didn t get anywhere 24 10 2006 16 04 35 Gregg joins My room 24 10 2006 16 05 05 James in theory yes but i can t check as i need to re s setup HS on another pc 24 10 2006 16 05 29 James should just be settiing up the variable and then triggering the script not much more 24 10 2006 16 05 54 Paul G ok My logic was to do something in HS based on just a xAP message received rather than a variable change etc is this possible 24 10 2006 16 06 02 James make sure that xAP speech isnot in teh new devices list as if it is HS will not process the messages from it 24 10 2006 16 06 24 Paul G one of the problems is that HS didn t seem to be getting many of the tts start and stop messages 24 10 2006 16 07 06 Paul G it took MANY attempts for speech to show up in the new devices after re detecting 24 10 2006 16 07 18 Edward joins My room 24 10 2006 16 07 22 Paul G I had to keep re sending messages from viewer 24 10 2006 16 07 59 James no idea there it should just popup unless something is really slowing HS down 24 10 2006 16 08 36 James You could just user Floorplan to do the scripting alongside HS 24 10 2006 16 09 07 Paul G I didn t really want to add yet another app so many running already 24 10 2006 16 09 28 James k 24 10 2006 16 10 27 Paul G BSC doesn t seem to work logically sending an on off message just changes the state text but not fire off an X10 command 24 10 2006 16 10 39 Paul G is this how it s meant to be 24 10 2006 16 12 06 James BSC should work fine what fails is the internal state structure of HS 24 10 2006 16 14 02 Paul G how so 24 10 2006 16 14 10 James translating the On off dim states which is all HS uses to BSC is not exactly straight forward 24 10 2006 16 14 41 Paul G the underlying HS concept is just a little out dated it seems 24 10 2006 16 14 45 KevinH I see no logicality in HS requiring an X10 command to be sent to control a non X10 device though eg HV 24 10 2006 16 15 32 KevinH My support ticket is still open with HS on the HV plugin issue 24 10 2006 16 15 50 Paul G did changing the port number help at all 24 10 2006 16 15 59 Paul G or the ini file 24 10 2006 16 16 49 KevinH Those were not the issue for some reason HV was using a port that also was used by teh CM11 X10 interafce 24 10 2006 16 17 04 KevinH bad plugin design 24 10 2006 16 17 28 KevinH I have HV talking to HS at least the init is OK but i can t geta config dialog box 24 10 2006 16 17 29 Paul G so the port numbers were showing OK in the web interface and the ini file but it was still using another port 24 10 2006 16 17 35 KevinH yes 24 10 2006 16 17 44 Paul G ah ok that bloomin box 24 10 2006 16 18 28 KevinH The web interface showed N A and was not editable the ini said port 1 and the log startup showed a failure on port1 but in fact it was using port 3 24 10 2006 16 19 01 KevinH Anyway I have config buttons but program runtime errors if I click them 24 10 2006 16 19 05 James with out a HV will I be able to get the HV plugin to do anything 24 10 2006 16 19 16 KevinH nope 24 10 2006 16 19 16 James will it even start 24 10 2006 16 19 28 KevinH even with one I can t 24 10 2006 16 19 39 Paul G ah OK poor design as you said In fact Rick Tinker mentioned something about the port settings being in the wrong place but said he fixed it a while back 24 10 2006 16 19 41 James lol 24 10 2006 16 19 48 KevinH It will fail at startup 24 10 2006 16 20 31 Paul G we need someone to write a new plugin HS aren t interested 24 10 2006 16 20 47 KevinH you should get a xAP HV interface 24 10 2006 16 21 10 James indeed much better way of doing it 24 10 2006 16 21 29 Paul G mmm there was one but it had that mem leak so was unuseable 24 10 2006 16 21 30 KevinH 24 10 2006 16 21 50 Paul G 8 24 10 2006 16 22 00 KevinH maybe an embedded one would be better 24 10 2006 16 22 14 Paul G wot in HV itself 24 10 2006 16 22 20 James do you know where one can be purchased from K 24 10 2006 16 22 57 KevinH I think I have a email address somewhere but AFAIK it s a few weeks from being generally available 24 10 2006 16 23 12 Paul G 24 10 2006 16 23 43 KevinH HV is unfortunately very X10 modelled too 24 10 2006 16 24 05 KevinH You will want HV to C Bus anyway Paul 24 10 2006 16 24 49 Paul G indeed 24 10 2006 16 25 08 Paul G did you say this will have xAP functionality too 24 10 2006 16 25 16 KevinH You have HV pro right 24 10 2006 16 25 23 Paul G yes 24 10 2006 16 25 34 KevinH with any expansion units 24 10 2006 16 25 54 Paul G yes one MFEB 24 10 2006 16 26 04 Paul G but it s not now being used 24 10 2006 16 26 07 KevinH hmm you would have 24 10 2006 16 26 20 Paul G as it was used to integrate my old 24 10 2006 16 26 26 KevinH and what I O do you use on HV 24 10 2006 16 26 32 Paul G Kustom amp IR injector 24 10 2006 16 26 50 Paul G garage door and a few otther relays 24 10 2006 16 27 03 Paul G bits and pieces 24 10 2006 16 27 07 KevinH so the input and output parallel ports 24 10 2006 16 27 18 KevinH serial 24 10 2006 16 27 23 KevinH temp 24 10 2006 16 27 29 KevinH analog 24 10 2006 16 27 39 Paul G on board serial are used I think 24 10 2006 16 27 48 Paul G serial to comfort and PC 24 10 2006 16 27 48 KevinH thermostats 24 10 2006 16 27 53 Paul G maybe one spare 24 10 2006 16 28 07 Paul G no thermostats ATM although I have some dallas 24 10 2006 16 28 19 KevinH It s just that all these need to be supported via xAP if you need to control them from it 24 10 2006 16 28 23 Paul G my dog just farted bloomin smelly 24 10 2006 16 28 36 Paul G ah ok 24 10 2006 16 28 38 KevinH no xAp schema for that 24 10 2006 16 29 01 Paul G isn t there a simple output input control 24 10 2006 16 29 18 James KT has a schema for it there is a xAP Dog application 24 10 2006 16 29 54 KevinH I have a barking dog X10 maybe I could add some params to that 24 10 2006 16 30 30 Paul G So what I would want is a method for reporting input and output variables etc 24 10 2006 16 30 56 KevinH I will try and expose HV I O as BSC devcies but it would help if you could forewarn me of which I O specifically you are usinga nd need control or status reporting of 24 10 2006 16 30 57 Paul G and a method to simply control inputs outputs flags variables and macros 24 10 2006 16 31 01 Paul G simple 24 10 2006 16 31 33 KevinH Do you use the exp unit outputs and inputs 24 10 2006 16 31 47 Paul G OK I ll do an audit and remember what I ve got going on 24 10 2006 16 32 10 KevinH I dont have an exp unit so I can t test those 24 10 2006 16 32 14 Paul G not currently although now they re free I may well do in the future 24 10 2006 16 32 28 KevinH and temp sensors 24 10 2006 16 32 35 Paul G you could always borrow mine I guess 24 10 2006 16 32 44 Paul G none currently connected 24 10 2006 16 32 53 KevinH thermostats 24 10 2006 16 32 58 Paul G no 24 10 2006 16 33 06 KevinH you use IR 24 10 2006 16 33 20 Paul G ah yes 24 10 2006 16 33 29 KevinH input and output 24 10 2006 16 33 55 KevinH Flags vars and macros are no real issue 24 10 2006 16 34 00 Paul G currently input and perform macros based on inputs 24 10 2006 16 34 09 KevinH periodic and scheduled events I can trigger and report I think 24 10 2006 16 34 20 KevinH so no IR sending 24 10 2006 16 34 29 Paul G um and yes I do use outputs to control a Sky box for radio 24 10 2006 16 34 42 Paul G although it s currently broken 24 10 2006 16 34 48 KevinH and the real killer do you use teh built in video screens at all 24 10 2006 16 35 20 Paul G I did but I don t plan to any more just too low tech 24 10 2006 16 35 39 KevinH great cos they are really painful to support 24 10 2006 16 35 54 Paul G I bet 24 10 2006 16 36 54 Paul G on anothe rnote did you do the CBus install yourself 24 10 2006 16 36 59 KevinH I am treading a fine line between supporting HV with C Bus and HV with xAP I am short of space so things I add on one side cause me not to be able to do things on the other currently it s a xAP HV C Bus unit but it may have to ebcome two units 24 10 2006 16 37 27 Paul G ok can t you just add more space 24 10 2006 16 37 40 Paul G not knowing what the limitations are 24 10 2006 16 38 16 KevinH or maybe one unit with a second helper co processor but we re getting a bit really hairy when we do that 24 10 2006 16 38 48 Paul G so it s about CPU power then 24 10 2006 16 39 00 KevinH The limitations are that the processors I use have limited RAM and program storage so i can t keep making larger programs that store more and more data 24 10 2006 16 39 08 James 2 units interconnected via xAP could just mean more sales 24 10 2006 16 39 11 KevinH RAM memory 24 10 2006 16 39 16 Paul G ok 24 10 2006 16 39 33 KevinH But at 200 quid a time its quite expensive 24 10 2006 16 39 55 KevinH So 1 unit with a second slave processor at around 50 is quite interesting 24 10 2006 16 40 00 James 200 is not alot in cbus terms 24 10 2006 16 40 09 KevinH I don t need all the I O on teh second processor 24 10 2006 16 40 21 KevinH I know 24 10 2006 16 40 42 James are there any bigger rabbits on the horizon 24 10 2006 16 40 44 Paul G it is when you re already spending huge amounts on a loft conversion 24 10 2006 16 41 01 KevinH interestingly I have found some very fundamental restrictions on my C Bus setup that can be solved this way 24 10 2006 16 41 03 Paul G and your structural engineer just doubled his bill 24 10 2006 16 41 33 James it s not a loft conversion It s a new house built on your roof 24 10 2006 16 41 38 KevinH The issue is the address bus width that means that you need to page memory in and out which is horrendous 24 10 2006 16 41 57 KevinH or more accurately I should say register widths 24 10 2006 16 42 03 Paul G more like an excuse for getting more HA 24 10 2006 16 42 45 James and a good one at that 24 10 2006 16 44 17 Paul G so far it s prompted me to get new heating control system new whole house audio new lighting control CBus 24 10 2006 16 44 48 KevinH and a HV C Bus gateway 24 10 2006 16 45 01 Paul G indeed 24 10 2006 16 45 17 Paul G Any thoughts on that switcher yet 24 10 2006 16 45 27 KevinH even Clipsal employees whant one 24 10 2006 16 45 45 James switcher 24 10 2006 16 45 58 Paul G Keith has been promissing to send me a test Kat5 Switcher apparently he s fairly close but then he said that 2 years ago 24 10 2006 16 46 21 James oh that switcher 24 10 2006 16 46 48 Paul G no didn t mean that one K was looking for a possible YUV switcher for my needs 24 10 2006 16 47 25 James a YUV one that ll be expensive then 24 10 2006 16 47 38 Paul G well same as RGB I believe 24 10 2006 16 48 25 James was that russsound unit expensive btw 24 10 2006 16 48 28 KevinH I have one Paul but as I said I can t confirm it will switch digital audio 24 10 2006 16 48 57 Paul G Russound CAV6 6 could nearly get 3 from the US for single price over here 24 10 2006 16 49 06 KevinH and I may have access to some new ones that definitely will 8 to 3 at a good price 24 10 2006 16 49 24 Paul G cool do you know when you ll know 24 10 2006 16 50 19 KevinH about a week when I say a good price it s a good price relative to UK and US new price but they re not cheap but they re not going to be at that spec 24 10 2006 16 50 34 KevinH cheap that is 24 10 2006 16 50 47 Paul G into 1 000 s 24 10 2006 16 50 52 KevinH nope 24 10 2006 16 51 03 Paul G tens 24 10 2006 16 51 06 James i ve just seen the list price 24 10 2006 16 51 14 Paul G cav6 6 24 10 2006 16 51 17 KevinH but well above 500 24 10 2006 16 51 22 Paul G ok 24 10 2006 16 51 30 Paul G rs232 24 10 2006 16 51 30 KevinH probably circa 750 ish 24 10 2006 16 51 32 James 6 6 2199 24 10 2006 16 51 34 Edward quit timeout 24 10 2006 16 51 35 Paul G k 24 10 2006 16 51 43 KevinH RS232 and IR 24 10 2006 16 52 05 James for that price it should have a network link 24 10 2006 16 52 31 KevinH YUV and RGBS and RGBHV and DIG audio and analog audio 6 signals max 24 10 2006 16 52 50 KevinH composite and S video of course should you wish 24 10 2006 16 52 55 Paul G My CAV s were 2149 each shipping duty VAT 24 10 2006 16

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2006 10 17 - xAP Automation
    closer to having CBus 17 10 2006 16 04 40 KevinH It s interesting I have never really used C Bus I know pretty much backwards how it works but my own install only had a few channels 17 10 2006 16 05 11 KevinH Now I have a high dependence on C Bus all sorts of things become important 17 10 2006 16 05 25 KevinH Nothing bad just a case of doing it the right way 17 10 2006 16 05 51 Paul G always good when a developer actually uses the kit at home 17 10 2006 16 06 15 KevinH I have had a load of kit for a while my fault for not using it 17 10 2006 16 07 11 lehane joins My room 17 10 2006 16 07 11 KevinH What I have realised is taht few people will rely on basic ON OFF switching from switches and actually tehy will almost always move to scenes even if it s just one light on one switch 17 10 2006 16 07 48 KevinH I hadn t appreciated when Chris said he had done just this why it had happened 17 10 2006 16 07 55 KevinH Hi lehane 17 10 2006 16 08 00 lehane Hi all 17 10 2006 16 08 13 James hi L I ve got some good news for you 17 10 2006 16 08 25 lehane 17 10 2006 16 08 50 KevinH I m only checking in for a few mins I have visitors downstairs 17 10 2006 16 09 01 James got a copy of floorplan here with database baed global variables sql execute and query support from scripts 17 10 2006 16 09 15 KevinH J you seem to have been solving a lot of issues recently making everyone happy 17 10 2006 16 09 18 lehane yeah 17 10 2006 16 09 42 James it s been abusy few weeks 17 10 2006 16 10 01 James my todo list is almost short now 17 10 2006 16 10 10 lehane Just added switchboard to the setup this week too 17 10 2006 16 10 53 James oh and if anyone has any xAP quotes for the mi4 home page Already have one anonymous one 17 10 2006 16 11 31 James is that with the wildfire asterisk im plugin 17 10 2006 16 11 36 Paul G lol don t use the other quote I typed here 17 10 2006 16 11 51 James that got bleeped out 17 10 2006 16 11 55 Paul G got to go hottub is waiting 17 10 2006 16 11 59 lehane no Gregg s axc 17 10 2006 16 12 00 Paul G lol 17 10 2006 16 12 10 lehane Paul u based in RM Milton Park 17 10 2006 16 12 21 Paul G see you all later or next week 17 10 2006 16 12 39 Paul G No used to work for them years ago they re one of my biggest clients now 17 10 2006 16 12 54 lehane OK our offices just down the road 17 10 2006 16 13 16 Paul G which company 17 10 2006 16 13 23 Paul G I m in Faringdon 17 10 2006 16 13 29 lehane Paul Mason Consulting 17 10 2006 16 13 39 Paul G oh OK what do they do 17 10 2006 16 13 47 lehane Retail Systems 17 10 2006 16 14 08 Paul G ah OK touch screens and systems etc 17 10 2006 16 14 21 lehane yep and lots more 17 10 2006 16 14 22 James http www paulmasonconsulting co uk images lehane kellet jpg 17 10 2006 16 14 30 lehane eek 17 10 2006 16 14 38 Paul G cool so you have loads of touch screens around the house 17 10 2006 16 15 04 Paul G lol 17 10 2006 16 15 08 lehane nah I only get the old 10 4 640x480 17 10 2006 16 15 12 Paul G J is a right little MI5 agent 17 10 2006 16 15 31 Paul G right really must go cya 17 10 2006 16 15 36 lehane bye 17 10 2006 16 15 37 James bfn 17 10 2006 16 16 18 James that asterisk im thing isn t a xAP plugin but a link between jabber and Works really quite well 17 10 2006 16 16 42 Paul G quit timeout 17 10 2006 16 16 59 lehane yes Jingle Not in the Trixbox distro I don t think 17 10 2006 16 17 49 James it just does things like puts your presence to Ont eh phone when on the phone lets you dial from you IM client etc all voice still is done by 17 10 2006 16 18 36 lehane sounds interesting especially to put the IM on the Audrey 17 10 2006 16 19 24 James it s just nice when everything becomes connected 17 10 2006 16 20 15 lehane yes got some of the alarm integration working this week PIR light activation heating changes based on occupied 17 10 2006 16 20 39 lehane released the alpha to Gregg too 17 10 2006 16 21 26 James occupied by just pir or with other sensors 17 10 2006 16 21 43 James alpha that was the alarm panel connector 17 10 2006 16 22 08 lehane by the alarm arm disarm timers day of week Yes CADDX connector 17 10 2006 16 22 56 James I think there is a rather interesting blutooth module with misterhouse so it can get you presence from your mobile s presence 17 10 2006 16 23 20 James which can then be reported as BSC i think 17 10 2006 16 23 58 lehane I guess that s one xAP application for the future 17 10 2006 16 25 27 James but an interesting

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2006 10 10 - xAP Automation
    15 35 25 James Jabber is the perfect protocol for realtime data over teh internet 10 10 2006 15 35 29 Gregg it doubled since the last release 10 10 2006 15 35 44 Kevin H That s great I knida hoped it would 10 10 2006 15 35 48 Gregg which means I ve been ignoring other stand alone xAP apps 10 10 2006 15 36 04 Gregg but it s now very significant 10 10 2006 15 36 31 Gregg and yes I know I need to submit a wiki entry for it 10 10 2006 15 36 41 James Gregg was there any more chat history in you browser it should go back tot he start 10 10 2006 15 37 07 Kevin H Are there aspects of xAP evolvement still that are hindering this aside from the UID 10 10 2006 15 37 28 Gregg sorry didn t see the scrollbar James 10 10 2006 15 37 56 Gregg Kevin I would tend to say some more official means of transaction acking 10 10 2006 15 38 15 Gregg as most of the users are paranoid over the possibility of not getting acknowledgement 10 10 2006 15 38 22 Kevin H Ahh yes thsi was intertwined with sequencing 10 10 2006 15 38 43 Gregg I m about to add the special header tag to my stuff but that only goes so far 10 10 2006 15 39 02 Kevin H James am I right that current xAP hubs based on xFX are stripping unexpected header parameters 10 10 2006 15 39 02 Gregg It s not really a huge issue and realistically it s not keeping me from getting useful stuff done 10 10 2006 15 39 26 James kh yes other than the testXX ones 10 10 2006 15 39 36 Gregg The UID issue is effectively already addressed I ll have to rip out my many virtual device support in mh once the official version comes out 10 10 2006 15 39 54 Kevin H and did E s recent source code discoveries help us at all in our quest to change this and the UID s 10 10 2006 15 40 19 James yes he has the source of a hub and teh xFx itself not viewer though 10 10 2006 15 40 37 James he is converting it to net 2 10 10 2006 15 40 42 Kevin H The virtual devices work around is really horrid though don t know why I ever though 254 was enough 10 10 2006 15 40 46 James just as net 3 comes out 10 10 2006 15 41 11 Gregg heh I finally ported one of our major apps to net 2 that was enough 10 10 2006 15 41 20 Kevin H So we could have a new UID new paramater tolerant hub at least 10 10 2006 15 41 37 Kevin H a service one 10 10 2006 15 41 58 Gregg From my perspective Patrick s hubs are equally important to be compatible 10 10 2006 15 42 23 Kevin H I think P s hubs will already pass just about anything wont they 10 10 2006 15 42 27 Gregg As I have more of them running than the xFx one 10 10 2006 15 42 34 James K yes and yes and yes 10 10 2006 15 42 43 Gregg Yes but isn t there this new UID issue 10 10 2006 15 42 55 Kevin H Can you try extending the UID and see if it passes through 10 10 2006 15 43 12 Kevin H and also adding a parameter to the header 10 10 2006 15 43 15 Gregg and for what it s work mh implements it s own hub by default which will also need upgrading 10 10 2006 15 43 21 Gregg yes 10 10 2006 15 43 26 James any uid over 8 is blocked 10 10 2006 15 43 26 Kevin H and lastly adding a body to a heartbeat 10 10 2006 15 43 37 Kevin H In P s 10 10 2006 15 43 42 James yes please hbeat bodies are a good plan 10 10 2006 15 43 47 Gregg Is that part documented anywhere Yes I can do it just curious 10 10 2006 15 44 16 James P s doesn t care it just passes a messages as a block xFx breaks them apart stores them and the sends them 10 10 2006 15 44 47 Kevin H We were tring to segment routing type data and payload type data by adding a hertbet body for things like advertised features like xAp intranet config etc 10 10 2006 15 44 57 Gregg mh s hub does the same just a repeater 10 10 2006 15 45 12 Gregg oh that sounds quite useful 10 10 2006 15 45 56 Kevin H So P s is workable with new UID s extra header params and hertbet bodies i Kind thought it might in fact I m surprised it filters anything once it uses port 3639 which has turned out quite useful 10 10 2006 15 46 43 James the only issue with P s is the lack over service support and that it doesn t jump to 49152 it just uses 3640 10 10 2006 15 47 10 Gregg uhhh service support I only run it on nix systems 10 10 2006 15 47 22 Kevin H If E couyld get a xFX service hub out as well that would be great shame about viewer I emailed SB last week no reply 10 10 2006 15 47 59 Kevin H Ahh we changed that to just get out of teh ephemeral port range no big issue but not tidy 10 10 2006 15 48 57 James I updated the spec last week to show that as it still said use 3640 10 10 2006 15 49 31 Kevin H I have asked Mark session documentor for notes on the ACK and SEQ discussions we had but nothing so far do you remember the discussion J 10 10 2006 15 49 50 Kevin H There are some BSC updates I still must do too 10 10 2006 15 50 36 James Other that it used an extra header item So it was quite simple really 10 10 2006 15 51 38 Gregg presumably hubs don t touch either of those right 10 10 2006 15 52 08 James well xFx hubs would 10 10 2006 15 52 05 Gregg just the original sender and then the ACK er 10 10 2006 15 52 16 James yes 10 10 2006 15 52 17 Kevin H AFAIK the xAP steering committee is probably no longer sufficiently involved to approve or object to a spec change so if we can get some good agreement here ie I think UID is pretty agreed we should just do it after notice 10 10 2006 15 52 21 Gregg should then 10 10 2006 15 52 52 Kevin H Wer can t just launch a xAPTSC schema though it wouyld have to be initially a TSC schema and then when proven we endorse it 10 10 2006 15 52 53 Gregg sorry should the xFx hubs touch the headers 10 10 2006 15 53 10 James hubs should just pass messages nothing more 10 10 2006 15 53 29 Gregg right that s what I thought 10 10 2006 15 53 38 James routers should pass messages but increase teh hop count 10 10 2006 15 54 18 Kevin H xFX was designed to help enforce xAP compliance in early days it had a be less tetchy setting but some things are just blocked still 10 10 2006 15 54 22 Gregg oh yes I need to get a router going is Patrick s site the source for nix xAP routers 10 10 2006 15 54 29 James yep 10 10 2006 15 54 51 Kevin H The source is there too Gregg IIRC 10 10 2006 15 55 12 James although i think the best router is to convert xAP to XML and pass it in xmpp 10 10 2006 15 55 16 Gregg thanks as I almost always build or need to mod the makefile 10 10 2006 15 56 29 Kevin H J can u send an email to SB asking if there is any chance we could get the source to Viewer Maybe try calling him as well he never answers my calls or withheld ones either 10 10 2006 15 56 42 Gregg hmmm I was actually thinking of running the xAP router on my primary router firewall so whatever the solution would need to be very lightweight 10 10 2006 15 56 46 Kevin H I tend to think he s away for some reason 10 10 2006 15 56 59 James I already have quite a few times 10 10 2006 15 57 15 Kevin H The XML thing has come up a few times 10 10 2006 15 57 46 Kevin H so it s not just me U 10 10 2006 15 57 51 James xAP in xml should be pretty simple as it s very nearly xml anyway 10 10 2006 15 58 28 Kevin H Hey J I m here where s my xAP bot link P 10 10 2006 15 58 43 James you just have to ask 10 10 2006 15 58 51 Gregg I thought it was only for the first visitor 10 10 2006 15 58 58 Gregg 10 10 2006 15 58 59 Kevin H 10 10 2006 15 59 23 James not bot for K with out the magic word 10 10 2006 15 59 31 Kevin H Also thinking of getting the ZigBee dev kit for my Rabbit stuff 10 10 2006 15 59 46 Kevin H r pse r 10 10 2006 15 59 50 James www mi4 biz 4 zip 10 10 2006 15 59 53 Kevin H pretty please 10 10 2006 16 00 20 James i saw all teh zigbee stuff on the rabbit homepage 10 10 2006 16 00 33 Kevin H No need for tiny url with that 10 10 2006 16 01 00 James i like to keep things short 10 10 2006 16 01 11 Kevin H At 1 off RRP teh zogbee modules are around 17 10 10 2006 16 01 32 Kevin H mucho D D D as you can tell 10 10 2006 16 01 34 James there is also the latest Switchboarrd exe in there that does some database compaction with helps SB alot 10 10 2006 16 01 47 lehane joins My room 10 10 2006 16 02 07 Gregg Hi Lehane 10 10 2006 16 02 14 Kevin H Hi there L 10 10 2006 16 02 17 James it wouldn t be a xAP chat without D 10 10 2006 16 02 17 lehane Hi all back from hols 10 10 2006 16 02 21 James hi 10 10 2006 16 02 29 James L 10 10 2006 16 02 44 Kevin H Me s back from a public hanging too last three weeks 10 10 2006 16 03 03 Kevin H well it felt like it even as an onlooker 10 10 2006 16 03 21 James at least you wern t in the middle of it 10 10 2006 16 03 39 Kevin H Big project badly specced critical timeline failed 10 10 2006 16 04 00 lehane sounds all too familiar 10 10 2006 16 04 06 Kevin H Couldn t even get enough smoke for smoke and mirrors 10 10 2006 16 04 34 lehane wot not even Powerpoint smoke and mirrors 10 10 2006 16 05 03 James not even wordart smoke and mirrors 10 10 2006 16 05 15 lehane nuff said 10 10 2006 16 05 17 Kevin H I know I owe you TSC comments L I have a hand commented doc will get it emailed this week in a better format 10 10 2006 16 05 48 lehane OK I m pretty busy the rest of the week away from home anyway 10 10 2006 16 06 07 Kevin H Is the original doc still what I should be working from 10 10 2006 16 06 42 lehane I have one which I updated from some of the feedback but not issued it yet 10 10 2006 16 08 47 Kevin H I know I felt at the time that it didn t quite have the disclosure that BSC had not being able to discover the capabilities as netaly however I m not surethis is achievable either 10 10 2006 16 09 22 lehane G I ll mail the Caddx perl to you Friday I ll take the debug out 10 10 2006 16 09 34 Kevin H netaly neatly 10 10 2006 16 11 13 Kevin H It was to do with defining ranges and associated info the extra parameters so that new things didn t keep appearing in schema 10 10 2006 16 11 35 Kevin H and this issue of contextually related values 10 10 2006 16 12 36 lehane I thought we had a resolution to the context issue 10 10 2006 16 12 43 James quit timeout 10 10 2006 16 13 11 Kevin H I may have missed some discussion in the xAP Talk forums 10 10 2006 16 13 40 Kevin H Put some new batteries in J 10 10 2006 16 13 42 lehane I d need to go back and reread them too 10 10 2006 16 14 23 Gregg I was under the impression that IDs were taken out of the bodies and at most included in section names and preferably as endpoints 10 10 2006 16 14 46 lehane yes 10 10 2006 16 15 39 Kevin H Did you allow multiple body sections in one mesage 10 10 2006 16 15 49 Kevin H Or did this preclude it 10 10 2006 16 16 19 Gregg I think that there was also discussion about having some reference to a standard and or having a named set of types e g temperature humidity etc 10 10 2006 16 17 16 Kevin H These will all help definition but someone will want a new viscosity sensor type of course 10 10 2006 16 17 34 lehane Single body section per message 10 10 2006 16 17 46 James joins My room 10 10 2006 16 18 39 Gregg L right but having an initial defined set will help inter operating devices apps automatically know how to interpret the sensor values 10 10 2006 16 18 41 James grr my adsl is still acting up 10 10 2006 16 18 45 lehane If we cover 99 with standard types then thats the most we can hope for Anything else would have limited applicability 10 10 2006 16 18 59 Kevin H The advantage of mutiple bodies is that for teh same information you can associate vlaues within a block which sort of provides a way around contextual values 10 10 2006 16 19 57 Kevin H At a previous xAP discussion we talked about a way of identifying contextual value parameters distinctly from normal params but IMHO it was an awful solution 10 10 2006 16 20 19 Kevin H Context1 Direction 10 10 2006 16 20 27 Kevin H Context2 Colour 10 10 2006 16 20 33 Kevin H Colour Red 10 10 2006 16 20 46 Kevin H Direction North 10 10 2006 16 20 58 Gregg that is painful 10 10 2006 16 21 09 Kevin H tell me about it 10 10 2006 16 21 14 lehane agreed 10 10 2006 16 21 29 Kevin H I wanted something simple like 10 10 2006 16 21 38 Kevin H Colour Red 10 10 2006 16 22 31 Kevin H Direction South etc 10 10 2006 16 22 36 Kevin H back in 2 10 10 2006 16 22 50 Gregg K is the underscore significant 10 10 2006 16 23 09 James just a way to highlight a context 10 10 2006 16 23 29 Gregg Is there a current schema that uses them 10 10 2006 16 23 36 James none 10 10 2006 16 23 40 lehane haven t see one 10 10 2006 16 24 03 James I alwasy like to return to my xAP test for good Schema 10 10 2006 16 24 48 James That any item in a xAP message can be defined by Source class section item SCSI if it has to refer to anything else then it s a bad schema 10 10 2006 16 25 20 James i just liek to keep things simple 10 10 2006 16 25 33 lehane therefore context from section 10 10 2006 16 25 44 James yes 10 10 2006 16 26 32 lehane That s workable 10 10 2006 16 27 07 James I just think it s a good rule of thumb 10 10 2006 16 28 57 lehane I see someone else requested floorplan security 10 10 2006 16 29 46 Kevin H I agree but sometimes we have so many things that augment a value that our schema headers particularly the body section names will become really messy 10 10 2006 16 29 55 James well i ve started on the Pin per tab option but the basic authentication is to do as that needs to be done in the intranet ocx 10 10 2006 16 32 18 lehane I guess the general case will still be for relatively simple section headers 10 10 2006 16 32 53 Kevin H Which is why I was interested that you only had one block permitted in each TSC message 10 10

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2006 10 03 - xAP Automation
    have no top and bottom limits go negative and have varying resolution and scales 03 10 2006 15 21 26 KevinH How s your xAP setup going Paul 03 10 2006 15 22 11 Paul G excellent HS has really brought it all together as well esp with MainLobby now displaying everything 03 10 2006 15 22 28 Paul G Got 2 x Russound CAV6 6 s coming next week 03 10 2006 15 22 59 KevinH Sorted that import lark then 03 10 2006 15 23 32 Paul G yes all legit 03 10 2006 15 23 42 KevinH good stuff 03 10 2006 15 24 21 James paul did that updated ping3 work fine 03 10 2006 15 24 31 KevinH I saw some mention that the room controllers can display OSD messages if you want to buy me a CAV6 and a controller I ll write the xAP OSD shim for you 03 10 2006 15 25 43 Paul G ok i ll send you one 03 10 2006 15 26 03 Paul G there is a ML plugin and a HS one in development 03 10 2006 15 26 15 KevinH I meant to keep for support 03 10 2006 15 26 56 Paul G sure 03 10 2006 15 27 01 KevinH In which case you may find you can reflect the OSD capabilities as a xAP BSC text device maybe via HomeSeer 03 10 2006 15 28 13 KevinH and then a short script in FloorPlan to intercept OSD messages and update the HS device may work 03 10 2006 15 28 34 Paul G sounds good 03 10 2006 15 28 54 KevinH How s the loft plans 03 10 2006 15 29 50 KevinH Sorry got to go haven t eaten yet back later 03 10 2006 15 30 28 Paul G see you later loft sloooow 03 10 2006 15 30 40 Paul G need to get CBus in there 03 10 2006 15 30 44 James but it ll be good once done 03 10 2006 15 30 58 Paul G sure will 03 10 2006 15 33 38 James paul did you get the vario2 03 10 2006 15 33 43 James was it any good 03 10 2006 15 35 18 Paul G no not me 03 10 2006 15 35 26 James oh ok 03 10 2006 15 35 37 Paul G wow db now 1MB 03 10 2006 15 36 02 James should find it works faster now 03 10 2006 15 36 18 James ms JET db really is very bad 03 10 2006 15 36 49 Paul G so what are the commands for speech for volume 03 10 2006 15 37 17 James http www mi4 biz modules php name Content pa showpage pid 17 03 10 2006 15 37 28 James Volume 0 100 basically 03 10 2006 15 43 49 Paul G what s on that page 03 10 2006 15

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2006 09 26 - xAP Automation
    57 kevint and the xapjabber balloon tha says connected never times out 26 09 2006 15 39 59 James xAP Jabber uses a jabber dll which can pause if the system runs out of resources If something else has an issue I have noticed it says its not responding but clears itself whent he cause is removed 26 09 2006 15 40 03 James ok and ok 26 09 2006 15 40 53 kevint it makes it impossibe to hover over athr icons on systray 26 09 2006 15 41 03 kevint other icons 26 09 2006 15 41 42 James k 26 09 2006 15 42 11 kevint If there is a resource problem it is since the last updat which included xsb xapjabber 4 26 09 2006 15 42 36 kevint joins My room 26 09 2006 15 43 30 James 4 uses only a little memory sb could use a bit but not too much Probably just one to keep an eye on and see if it happens again 26 09 2006 15 43 55 kevint ok 26 09 2006 15 46 52 kevint for reference xsb 29M xjab 9M 4 8M watcher 4M weather 6M 26 09 2006 15 47 46 James SB has to hold quite a few Queues in memory hence why it s larger 26 09 2006 15 49 20 kevint Did you post some notes on configuring Skype and or MSM into xSB or do they just have to be running on the same box 26 09 2006 15 50 15 James xSB just listens for xAP IM messages 26 09 2006 15 51 39 kevint ah was it xaptel that had to monitor skype then dim memory from and earlier test setup 26 09 2006 15 51 58 James yes xAP tel did skype 26 09 2006 15 52 51 James xAP Jabber if connected to a jabber server that supports transports can list any contacts on any of the transports I ve tried msm but aim yahoo should be fine 26 09 2006 15 55 23 kevint ok thanks gotta go 26 09 2006 15 55 26 James you may of not seen it earlier but I ve added xAP hearbeat monitoring in to Ping3 26 09 2006 15 55 42 kevint oooh my hero 26 09 2006 15 55 53 James 26 09 2006 15 56 02 kevint in a release version 26 09 2006 15 56 18 James only added it last night 26 09 2006 15 56 35 James i ll email over a copy 26 09 2006 15 56 57 James and let you break it 26 09 2006 15 56 59 kevint I ll let you know if I break it 26 09 2006 15 57 15 James i know you will 26 09 2006 15 57 33 kevint really have to go bye all 26 09 2006 15 57 39 James bye 26 09 2006 15 58 04 kevint quit 26 09 2006 15 59 05 kevint quit timeout 26 09 2006 15 59 42 James hello Ian didn t see you pop in 26 09 2006 16 00 35 Ian B hi sorry browsing at the same time 26 09 2006 16 01 23 James still busy then 26 09 2006 16 01 46 lehane joins My room 26 09 2006 16 02 12 Ian B too much so at the moment 26 09 2006 16 02 33 Ian B mainly family though not electronics 26 09 2006 16 03 09 lehane Hi all 26 09 2006 16 03 18 James i m sure you ll get back to it 26 09 2006 16 03 19 James hi 26 09 2006 16 03 22 Gregg Hi Lehane 26 09 2006 16 03 29 Ian B winter time I expect 26 09 2006 16 03 45 Ian B Hi Lehane 26 09 2006 16 05 24 lehane G are you using AAH or Trixbox 26 09 2006 16 06 04 Gregg Sorry working on a work asterisk problem neither straight up 26 09 2006 16 07 06 Gregg Are you planning on using one of those distros 26 09 2006 16 07 08 lehane okay finally got working with 3xSIP 1 Premicell and a SPA3000 for PSTN not so easy 26 09 2006 16 07 24 lehane Using Trixbox 26 09 2006 16 07 55 James lehane with the premicell do you get any local echo problems 26 09 2006 16 08 33 lehane hadn t noticed any outbound haven t tried inbound Using a Nokia 22 26 09 2006 16 08 57 lehane and clone X100 26 09 2006 16 09 19 James k have one at work and the when calling from voip to internal pstn to premicell there is a direct intenal echo 26 09 2006 16 09 51 lehane bad 26 09 2006 16 10 34 James it s as loud as the remote caller 26 09 2006 16 11 08 lehane no don t get that 26 09 2006 16 11 55 James ok I ve got a feeling it will be one of those really fun faults to find 26 09 2006 16 12 23 lehane probably down to which clone X100 it is 26 09 2006 16 12 46 Gregg I will be happy to ship you mine so that it doesn t wind up in the landfill 26 09 2006 16 13 12 James It s a isdn30 e1 to our pstn switch 26 09 2006 16 13 23 Gregg ahh ok something decent 26 09 2006 16 13 34 James a real digium card too 26 09 2006 16 13 54 Gregg does that one have local accoustic echo cancellation built in 26 09 2006 16 14 38 James pass but if I go from voip to internal pstn to pstn then there is no echo at all it s just calls going to the premicell 26 09 2006 16 15 37 lehane presumably the

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2006 09 19 - xAP Automation
    require another local software installation in addition to xAPJabber and Four 19 09 2006 15 54 08 James i run my own one here 19 09 2006 15 54 26 kevint but public ones are ok 19 09 2006 15 54 48 James the only proviso is that it needs a server that can talk unencrypted most do but i do know that googletalk does not 19 09 2006 15 55 31 James http www jabber org uk is porbably fine 19 09 2006 15 56 03 kevint IOK I will gie this a go before next week then thanks for the explanation 19 09 2006 15 57 33 James it would be so useful if all the other networks just use jabber it just seems to work as it should 19 09 2006 15 58 15 kevint So Skype and msm dont talk to xap jabber 19 09 2006 15 58 56 James oh btw you make a new account via the client just just get one Pandion be is the one i use and the sign in box has a new user button 19 09 2006 15 59 04 James nope 19 09 2006 15 59 38 James gizmoproject googletalk are the big jabber servers 19 09 2006 16 00 05 kevint OT I am looking for sympathy my ipod 4 g has died 19 09 2006 16 00 24 James but there are loads of em plus most of the new IM solutions on mobile networks use jabber 19 09 2006 16 00 33 James nope no sympthy 19 09 2006 16 00 46 James you ve got an excuse to buy one of the new models 19 09 2006 16 01 40 kevint I use d mine in my car with my pioneer MP3 CD player I will have to see if the newer models fit 19 09 2006 16 02 03 kevint I use d 19 09 2006 16 02 39 James i thought the all had the same dock 19 09 2006 16 03 39 kevint maybe the docs came out b4 the newer models then cos it only gos up to 4g 19 09 2006 16 04 18 kevint but anyway its difficult to see the videos and photos when the ipod is in the glove compartment 19 09 2006 16 05 25 James not really sure i would ever watch a video on an ipod 19 09 2006 16 07 08 kevint I remember saying once what on earth do you need a cga card on that IBM PC for but then I turned into a grumpy old man 19 09 2006 16 07 34 James no comment 19 09 2006 16 09 00 James so what is the next netcomp xAP app then 19 09 2006 16 09 33 kevint slightly embarrassed cos ive done no wrk on it for a couple of months 19 09 2006 16 10 13 James ok so next week then 19 09 2006 16 10 43 kevint I was working on the Aviosys IP Power connector the big brother of the one I have already posted 19 09 2006 16 12 12 kevint Unfortunately I made some assumptions fudges when I did the earlier connector which dont affect it but do mean I need to start from scratch to do a proper job 19 09 2006 16 12 14 James are there any things from digidave you havn t got 19 09 2006 16 12 50 kevint i havent got the cheap sensor board 19 09 2006 16 13 32 kevint unfortunately the docs are not great and the example code is a little odd 19 09 2006 16 13 50 James sounds about right 19 09 2006 16 14 33 kevint shame really cos the boxes are really nicely done and solid 19 09 2006 16 14 34 Edward joins My room 19 09 2006 16 15 18 kevint Can I ask what anyone is using to monitor their email server with xap 19 09 2006 16 15 29 James Hi E hope my long email wasn t too rambling 19 09 2006 16 15 30 kevint evening edward 19 09 2006 16 15 51 James Ping3 naturally 19 09 2006 16 16 07 James monitor as it check it s running not check for new mail 19 09 2006 16 16 47 kevint edward In case you missed it I will be trying out your 3145 connector soon you have been warned 19 09 2006 16 17 33 kevint ah yes I understand ping annd watcher and use them but I meant email accounts on the server 19 09 2006 16 17 47 Edward Now there s a blast from the past I wrote it to learn c I have to think what the code is like 19 09 2006 16 17 54 James i used to use SB s Pop3 monitor 19 09 2006 16 18 35 kevint and now 19 09 2006 16 18 47 James i use imap so i m stuffed 19 09 2006 16 19 09 kevint and was SB s good 19 09 2006 16 19 23 James yep it was fine 19 09 2006 16 19 44 kevint e well I will be gentle with it 19 09 2006 16 20 03 kevint the 3145 connector 19 09 2006 16 20 31 James the pop3 service version is on mi4 btw 19 09 2006 16 20 49 Edward Just joined what s the interst in the 3145 do they even still make it 19 09 2006 16 20 51 kevint I just looked 19 09 2006 16 21 23 kevint oh yes still made just my latest acquisition 19 09 2006 16 21 40 kevint I was going to plug it into an MS100 19 09 2006 16 22 34 kevint I think its the tom 10 that is no longer made 19 09 2006 16 23 20 Edward I once thought about writing some embedded

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