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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2006 08 29 - xAP Automation
    yep didn t get very far with it 29 08 2006 22 01 57 KevinH just one for the list as it tidies thinsg up a bit 29 08 2006 22 02 12 Edward3 joins My room 29 08 2006 22 02 14 kevint That sounds similar to something we talked about last year 29 08 2006 22 02 30 KevinH If I can squeeze teh web config in teh C Bus and HV controllers I ll make the intranet compatible 29 08 2006 22 02 36 Edward quit timeout 29 08 2006 22 02 58 Edward joins My room 29 08 2006 22 03 02 James the slight snag with the linked configs is dealing with apps that oonly allow local config 29 08 2006 22 03 06 kevint where I suggested that some intranet apps were not in the User Tier 29 08 2006 22 03 24 KevinH E we must talk re lighting schema too 29 08 2006 22 03 32 James yep and grouping etc etc 29 08 2006 22 03 44 Edward3 quit timeout 29 08 2006 22 04 05 KevinH you mean apps that dont have a web config at all 29 08 2006 22 04 28 Edward I know I know I need to give up my day job 29 08 2006 22 04 54 James no some apps like FP and SB have an option so that the main web pages are available from anywhere but the config pages only work from localhost 29 08 2006 22 05 09 kevint I mean intranet apps which are not realy for the User but have a web interface soley for management config 29 08 2006 22 05 10 KevinH That s the big chestnut we all know is lurking still xAP based config ahh I see 29 08 2006 22 05 28 KevinH Is there a reason they enforce that aside from security 29 08 2006 22 05 37 James just security 29 08 2006 22 05 51 KevinH back in 2 29 08 2006 22 07 22 kevint Edward is 2 6 3 the current working version of the x10 connector 29 08 2006 22 08 37 kevint joins My room 29 08 2006 22 09 31 kevint joins My room 29 08 2006 22 11 13 KevinH I have 2 6 3 2 KT but that might be one E is testing with wildcard changes 29 08 2006 22 12 27 KevinH KT did you see that post re embedded space on xAP Auto 29 08 2006 22 13 11 kevint ah OK 29 08 2006 22 13 24 kevint embedded space I will look 29 08 2006 22 14 44 Edward sadly I can t remember goes off to look 29 08 2006 22 15 44 KevinH KT it s in developer white space 29 08 2006 22 17 56 Edward 2 6 3 2 debug is the latest development version with wildcard fixes 2 6 3 the latest release 29 08 2006 22 18 43 kevint Thanks 29 08 2006 22 19 14 Edward Had a chance to test 2 6 3 2 KH 29 08 2006 22 20 01 kevint Looking at the white space thing the spaces are in the messages supplied with the messend app 29 08 2006 22 20 25 kevint These messages were basically taken from Viewer I think 29 08 2006 22 21 05 kevint I will look at the packaged messages more closely 29 08 2006 22 21 46 KevinH I have played briefly E but I haven t gone through all the permutations I ddd before your explanation of why it was not wildcarding as expected seemed to make sense 29 08 2006 22 21 54 kevint but I didnt think there was a prblem with text space space 1 29 08 2006 22 23 01 KevinH The value of text would be space 1 and not 1 though ie 2 characters 29 08 2006 22 24 10 kevint this isnt back to putting numbers in text fields is it 29 08 2006 22 25 00 kevint perhaps I should have said value space space 1 29 08 2006 22 26 40 Edward OK it seemed good to me so I ll go for an X10 2 6 4 release 29 08 2006 22 27 23 KevinH You aren t going to Net2 it are you that s my current issue disconnects 29 08 2006 22 27 40 lehane joins My room 29 08 2006 22 28 01 Edward That ll be 2 7 29 08 2006 22 28 43 KevinH it isnt related to the parameter being text it s just that all leading and trailing space in xAP parameter values IS significant 29 08 2006 22 29 27 KevinH Hi Lehane 29 08 2006 22 29 35 lehane Hi all 29 08 2006 22 30 14 James hi 29 08 2006 22 30 15 KevinH We think you and Gregg are making greta headway on a sensor type schema 29 08 2006 22 30 45 lehane I m just trying to get the ball rolling 29 08 2006 22 30 51 KevinH and soncensus seems to be not to try for backward compatability with BSC 29 08 2006 22 31 00 KevinH concensus 29 08 2006 22 31 30 lehane Yes probably should standalone 29 08 2006 22 32 02 kevint KH please pop up on skype 29 08 2006 22 32 05 KevinH but to create a new schema similar in style and mechanism to BSC perhpas called xAPTSC for telemetry with events infos and commands 29 08 2006 22 32 47 KevinH hoping that the people using PIC s can leverage their existing realtime parsing to support both scema 29 08 2006 22 33 14 lehane OK I guess most PIC s will be source 29 08 2006 22 34 08 KevinH I know Roy at Phedrus wants to add 1 wire support to his next xAP netiom so he would use the xAPTSC for say temp sensors 29 08 2006 22 36 36 Gregg Are there opinions on having multiple blocks to correspond to multiple sensed values from a single device I think Lehane and I are of the opinion that should be allowed Lehane please correct if not 29 08 2006 22 38 32 lehane yes like temp and humidity 29 08 2006 22 39 42 KevinH Multiple blocks are permitted in xAP we sort of tried to bundle context within one block wherever possible though the issue comes where you are using subaddresses I am assuming you would then have 1 sub address for a compound sensor would you 29 08 2006 22 40 00 Gregg yes 29 08 2006 22 40 30 Gregg and for 1 wire it would map directly to the 1 wire serial ID 29 08 2006 22 40 47 kevint sorry do u mean that temp and humidty values in the same device would have the same address 29 08 2006 22 41 10 Gregg subaddress yes 29 08 2006 22 41 29 KevinH What I was meaning is that if you report two blocks within one message they woudl effectively be both from one sub address 29 08 2006 22 41 37 Gregg yes 29 08 2006 22 42 46 KevinH Let em think on that a sec seems reasonable if several 1 wire devices might be served by one app each with their own sub address 29 08 2006 22 43 26 Gregg I happen to be working this moment on one hence the interest 29 08 2006 22 44 33 KevinH If there was an output 1 wire device could it have two embedded sensors that were each settable separately 29 08 2006 22 44 56 KevinH not sensors say a D to A or something 29 08 2006 22 45 33 Gregg I believe that there are 1 wire counter devices that support 2 counters concurrently Something like that 29 08 2006 22 45 44 KevinH Output devices 29 08 2006 22 46 59 lehane I haven t given as much thought to outputs 29 08 2006 22 47 05 Gregg I m unaware of any But does it matter 29 08 2006 22 47 11 KevinH The way most people fudge messages with 2 blocks is to process them as two separate messages immediately after each other not absolutely technically correct but it s a close solution 29 08 2006 22 48 12 Gregg yes but a pain as you re then talking about have to map a single real device into 2 subaddresses UIDs right 29 08 2006 22 48 19 KevinH when you send something it isnt possible to do this as one message might be missed so obviously you have to use 2 bodies in say a cmd message 29 08 2006 22 49 30 Gregg sorry thought you meant that people should be splitting the output as 2 messages rather than processing them as 2 29 08 2006 22 50 02 KevinH I agree from input devices its not such an issue but if your commanding them to change state then it s more crucial Thinking on this though if they were 2 separate UID s and you needed to chnage 2 things simultaneously then they would have to be wildcard addressable as one which si awkward 29 08 2006 22 50 31 KevinH I think combining them as one is logical 29 08 2006 22 50 48 KevinH or at least a design choice thing 29 08 2006 22 51 38 KevinH What I would like is for this new schema to be as simple as possible to implement but not to compromise its capabilities 29 08 2006 22 51 44 lehane In most cases processing blocks sequentially is of little consequence unless you are into demolitons 29 08 2006 22 52 07 KevinH Yes I agree 29 08 2006 22 53 09 KevinH Sending two separate mesages to action a result when both MUSTchange state is not ideal though 29 08 2006 22 54 14 KevinH incoming parsing of sequential blocks is very acceptable because you know you do have all the related content 29 08 2006 22 56 00 KevinH If you have two output devices on one subUID that can be individually controlled then the particular device you are addressing in say a cmd has to be identified in the message body 29 08 2006 22 56 31 KevinH either by its section name or by an identifying parameter 29 08 2006 22 56 31 Gregg agreed and the implication is probably that the cmd must target the subaddress right 29 08 2006 22 57 20 KevinH one thing that is very difficult is when you have a body parameter that has a context set by other parameters 29 08 2006 22 57 50 KevinH device waterlevel level 100 29 08 2006 22 58 01 KevinH device temp level 100 29 08 2006 22 58 37 KevinH now a controller needs to know that the device parameter tells it what the level reading is for 29 08 2006 22 59 14 KevinH and nothing makes that apparent in the message only the schema definition conveys this 29 08 2006 22 59 39 KevinH so controllers need access to schema info electronically to be able to interpret values 29 08 2006 23 00 21 KevinH This happens a lot in xPL but not at all in BSC say although it is present in some schema 29 08 2006 23 00 40 Gregg not much different in concept from the use of ID in BSC cmd messages is it 29 08 2006 23 00 42 KevinH some xAP schema 29 08 2006 23 01 09 KevinH But ID is effectively repeated in the target line always 29 08 2006 23 01 41 lehane James testing getfromraw can t seem to extract the name value but rawmessage string contains data OK 29 08 2006 23 02 01 Gregg I must be missing something I m referring to a BSC cmd that is targeting the device not a subaddress 29 08 2006 23 02 40 James L can you give me the line from your script 29 08 2006 23 02 47 KevinH Ahh targeting the whole application 29 08 2006 23 03 03 Gregg yes we were talking about a multi block example right 29 08 2006 23 03 27 Gregg I m suggesting that that model is much different than what you were describing above 29 08 2006 23 03 43 Gregg is not much different 29 08 2006 23 04 07 lehane xap getfromraw rawmessage event state and the rawmessage event event time 22 58 55 event state 0 event type faulted event zone 6 29 08 2006 23 04 13 KevinH I thought you were advocating multiblock from one UID eg a 1 wire that had a humidity and temp sensor but was reporting as 1 sub address 29 08 2006 23 04 23 Gregg I am 29 08 2006 23 04 36 KevinH not a main address 29 08 2006 23 04 42 James with or without that space after teh comma 29 08 2006 23 04 44 James 29 08 2006 23 04 54 KevinH ie a UID that deosnt end in 00 29 08 2006 23 04 57 Gregg I m suggesting that the multiblock BSC cmd targeting a main address is much like a multiblock TSC cmd targetting a subaddress 29 08 2006 23 05 52 Gregg hence my comment that device is much like ID given that kind of a model 29 08 2006 23 05 55 KevinH A BSC cmd never targets a main address just checking this 29 08 2006 23 06 07 KevinH it targets all sub addresses 29 08 2006 23 06 12 KevinH doesnt it 29 08 2006 23 06 21 lehane J yep spaces Fixed 29 08 2006 23 06 30 James yay 29 08 2006 23 06 45 Gregg yes but not much different IMO 29 08 2006 23 06 53 lehane Now I have the caddx PIR s controlling lighting 29 08 2006 23 07 37 James you ll need to write it all up for the website now 29 08 2006 23 08 05 lehane need a login hint 29 08 2006 23 08 26 James on it 29 08 2006 23 09 44 KevinH The ID is unique and related intrinsically to a sub address ID 56 is subaddress xxxxxx56 if you name something temperature now its vague as to what it relates to 29 08 2006 23 10 53 KevinH and how you would target a mesage back to control it I suppose what I m saying is that BSC defined ID as being a numbered link parameter with the UID whereas 29 08 2006 23 11 26 James L you have mail 29 08 2006 23 11 54 KevinH device humidity is more general Maybe BSCID SubUIDwould have bene even better in hindsight 29 08 2006 23 12 04 Gregg agree that it is more formal what I disagree w is that the controller now has to know more wrt something like device than the concept of id 29 08 2006 23 13 07 KevinH Ahh we re at crosspurposes a little here I think 29 08 2006 23 13 49 lehane Consider a TOM10 under TSC that is 10 devices 29 08 2006 23 14 32 KevinH If you define device in the schema as having this interpretation then that s fine 29 08 2006 23 15 49 KevinH what I was saying as a generalisation not TSC specific is that when you have some parameters in one block that set a context as to the meaning of others it makes it impossible for a controller to track state of that device without specific schema knowledge 29 08 2006 23 16 26 KevinH deviceCode 4 Housecode D State On for example 29 08 2006 23 16 47 KevinH Housecode D State All units on 29 08 2006 23 17 13 KevinH make it very difficult to tracks the state of D4 29 08 2006 23 17 18 KevinH and D5 29 08 2006 23 18 34 KevinH Which is awkward for things like MisterHouse and HomeSeer and xAp Floorplan unless they are preprogrammed to undertsand the schema or can get at an electronic definition of teh schema 29 08 2006 23 19 13 Gregg fwiw all of misterhouse s implementation does understand the schem 29 08 2006 23 19 36 KevinH Yes because you code it all in 29 08 2006 23 20 12 Gregg in the context of mh it wouldn t make sense to do otherwise 29 08 2006 23 21 09 lehane But which implementation could be expected to pick up a new schema and interpet the content without coding 29 08 2006 23 21 50 KevinH Should someone introduce their own schema for say washing machine control it means that MH can t interact with that device easily nor necessarily can it even display raw values without some ability for teh user to tell it which are the parameters that establish context 29 08 2006 23 22 22 KevinH If we had an electronic repository of schema it would be far more achievable 29 08 2006 23 22 30 Gregg yes that s entirely true by design 29 08 2006 23 23 00 lehane only with some pretty rigourous control over name vaule pairs 29 08 2006 23 23 06 KevinH and if we minimise context being established by multiple parameters within a block 29 08 2006 23 23 50 Gregg agree w the concept of minimize just not to such an extreme that no appropriate exceptions are permitted 29 08 2006 23 24 07 KevinH Its not at all easy to do this 29 08 2006 23 24 24 KevinH many schema already have

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2006 08 22 - xAP Automation
    now I ve gone back to the HouseBot plugin 22 08 2006 21 28 16 Edward which is C and C mixed up in a rather nasty combination 22 08 2006 21 28 40 Edward They don t get on together too well but it seems to be working now 22 08 2006 21 28 41 James that s the meebo app it s it 22 08 2006 21 29 24 Edward It was Meedio 22 08 2006 21 29 44 James ah well i nearly got the spelling right 22 08 2006 21 29 53 Edward They bought it from the developer Scott and then did nothing with it for two years 22 08 2006 21 30 15 Edward Meedio gave up a and sold out to Yahoo 22 08 2006 21 30 31 Edward but fortunately sold HouseBot back to Scott 22 08 2006 21 30 54 James and hopyfully scott made somthing out of all that 22 08 2006 21 31 53 James just reading your posts on their forum 22 08 2006 21 32 35 PaulG Either of you use an auto cover art finder downloader for your music 22 08 2006 21 32 45 Edward His sanity I think 22 08 2006 21 32 54 James i used a script from the slimerver foums 22 08 2006 21 32 58 Edward I wrote my own 22 08 2006 21 33 11 PaulG is it any good 22 08 2006 21 33 18 Edward Grabs stuff of Amazon using their webservice interface 22 08 2006 21 33 29 James seesm like people are keen with housebot and the dev seems interested too 22 08 2006 21 33 30 PaulG automatic or manual 22 08 2006 21 33 53 Edward It s very much a prototype but does the job most of the time 22 08 2006 21 33 56 James one i used was auto 22 08 2006 21 33 58 Edward automatic 22 08 2006 21 34 08 PaulG is it available 22 08 2006 21 35 00 Edward by email 22 08 2006 21 35 12 PaulG sur e 22 08 2006 21 35 23 PaulG paul siliconpixel com 22 08 2006 21 35 43 PaulG thanks 22 08 2006 21 36 18 James i think i used this one but no doubt E s is better http www pfarrell com music slimserver slimsoftware html 22 08 2006 21 38 24 Edward Expectations seem to be set wrong here I knocked it up in a couple of hours 22 08 2006 21 39 14 Edward Thinking about it you ll need to register with Amazon webservices as a developer to get a security code easy and free 22 08 2006 21 40 08 Edward Otherwise I think I ll be off contract with them 22 08 2006 21 40 21 PaulG ok 22 08 2006 21 41 08 PaulG don t worry if it s too dificult I ll try MediaMonkey first 22 08 2006 21 41 48 James oh need an opinion I ve knocked up a alittle app for use here and don t know if it would be of any use to anyone 22 08 2006 21 42 10 James I have a SD card read on a long usb extension next to the front door 22 08 2006 21 42 31 PaulG yes 22 08 2006 21 42 45 Edward So the postman can deliver files 22 08 2006 21 42 48 James the app monitors it and when a card is inserted it copies any photos up to a server and wipes the card ready for use 22 08 2006 21 43 21 James and it does xAP so it uses xAP speech to say what it s doing 22 08 2006 21 44 06 PaulG Would be good to organise those files properly then 22 08 2006 21 44 45 James just makes for structured card backups and needs no user PC use 22 08 2006 21 45 19 James it currently makes a folder with the date and puts the pic in it 22 08 2006 21 45 21 PaulG how does it save the files structure 22 08 2006 21 45 28 Edward I m not getting it what s it for 22 08 2006 21 45 41 James just a YYYY MM DD folder name 22 08 2006 21 46 36 PaulG joins My room 22 08 2006 21 46 37 James E imagine a crad reader by your front door you come home with a digital camera with pics on it just put the card it and the server pulls the pics off saves them and wipes the card 22 08 2006 21 47 08 PaulG dangerous if something goes wrong with the copy wiping the card 22 08 2006 21 47 20 James does a verify first 22 08 2006 21 47 41 PaulG bloomin Intranet Launcher re using IE windows have you hade those changes yet 22 08 2006 21 47 54 PaulG cool sounds interesting 22 08 2006 21 48 09 James lol no anyway blame windows i m just usign the standard protcol handler 22 08 2006 21 48 24 PaulG I m forever just bunging pic folders on my desktop cos I can t be arsed to do anything with them 22 08 2006 21 48 36 James k I ll make it flexible then currently its all hard coded 22 08 2006 21 48 49 PaulG well get it done then swore at my PC several times today alone 22 08 2006 21 49 31 PaulG D 22 08 2006 21 49 51 James i tend to not use teh intranet launcher s links a i mainly use a live book mark in FF 22 08 2006 21 50 09 James I use all the display stuff though 22 08 2006 21 50 13 PaulG wots a live BM 22 08 2006 21 51 04 James it s

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2006 08 15 - xAP Automation
    my Spam records are correct because I cant see any at all for you James but I can t see Paul s either 15 08 2006 21 29 23 James no do you have a url for it 15 08 2006 21 29 59 bro http www samurize com 15 08 2006 21 30 06 KevinH Got to go in 5 mins for 20 or so 15 08 2006 21 30 24 bro http en wikipedia org wiki Samurize for intro 15 08 2006 21 31 24 bro it is meant to be easily expandable 15 08 2006 21 31 27 James lots like a nice app with an sdk api 15 08 2006 21 31 34 KevinH J this is Stardocks product 15 08 2006 21 32 04 James k 15 08 2006 21 32 34 KevinH or somehow associated hosted by Stardock 15 08 2006 21 32 36 bro it s comercial thoght it was os 15 08 2006 21 32 48 KevinH I think it is free 15 08 2006 21 33 21 bro http en wikipedia org wiki Category Widget engines is just asking for a xAP entry 15 08 2006 21 33 32 KevinH bro are you a xAP user sorry don t recongnise the handle 15 08 2006 21 34 12 James i think i may well have a little play with that app 15 08 2006 21 34 32 bro kevin i was there for the first xAP discussion on irc then it all got a bit techie for me sysadmin not programmer 15 08 2006 21 34 42 PaulG yeah xAP it 15 08 2006 21 35 01 KevinH I can help you on some other aspects of that if it is what i think it is James remember that xAP message display window app I sent you a long while back 15 08 2006 21 36 01 KevinH Sorry got to go back in 20 15 08 2006 21 36 03 James i do indeed but i though that was a a different app running it or it could jsut be my bad memory 15 08 2006 21 36 07 James k bfn 15 08 2006 21 36 20 KevinH I think it s the same 15 08 2006 21 36 22 KevinH bfn 15 08 2006 21 36 34 PaulG I have to go too see you later 15 08 2006 21 36 54 James k bye paul 15 08 2006 21 37 34 James so bro do you have any non techie xAP questions 15 08 2006 21 38 04 PaulG quit timeout 15 08 2006 21 41 17 bro not yet still catching up on what you guys have all made at the minute 15 08 2006 21 42 45 James it s starting to be a big list of apps now 15 08 2006 21 43 04 bro my main issue atm is getting up a current pc to something newer than nt4 my main desktop still runs it 15 08 2006 21 43 57 bro I have lots of boxes here but they are fairly transient none of them have are on enough to act as a core HA pc 15 08 2006 21 44 12 James most apps will run fine with 2000 but nt4 will cause issues with some 15 08 2006 21 44 46 James my setup was very similar in the end i got a small silent via server and it does all 15 08 2006 21 46 47 bro the first things I m going to be looking at is xAP ping and trying to get the SPA 3000 output to Slimp3 s 15 08 2006 21 47 19 James do you run asterisk then 15 08 2006 21 47 34 bro I m on holiday for the next two weeks and this is what I was planning to do until the boss handed in his notice 15 08 2006 21 47 47 bro not even got that far yet 15 08 2006 21 48 04 James ahh so you re the new boss then 15 08 2006 21 48 23 bro lol i wish they are having interview for it after the 23rd 15 08 2006 21 49 40 James ok I know Gregg was looking at a xAP SIP proxy that could well help xAPping a standalone spa3000 15 08 2006 21 50 39 James so to get cid on the slimp3s youll Sipproxy asterisk connector xAP Switchboard slimp3 connector slimp3 15 08 2006 21 51 02 bro that is what i was hoping 15 08 2006 21 52 00 James well it works here with asterisk 15 08 2006 21 52 11 James and very useful too 15 08 2006 21 52 29 bro what os is your asterisk running on 15 08 2006 21 53 12 James it was a asterisk home install then that server broke so currently i have trixbox running in vmware on my desktop 15 08 2006 21 53 38 bro lol downloaded the trixbox vmware image last night 15 08 2006 21 54 01 bro this is what I was planning to initally at least 15 08 2006 21 54 31 James i tend to fiddle with all the xAP apps systems so my setups work fine then I play with them and break then 15 08 2006 22 00 26 KevinH back 15 08 2006 22 00 37 KevinH So you have a working setup atm J 15 08 2006 22 01 05 James not quite what i d call working 15 08 2006 22 01 43 KevinH The trixbox install handles incremental upgrades as well I believe 15 08 2006 22 02 07 James yep you just run a script and it does everything 15 08 2006 22 02 13 James much better 15 08 2006 22 02 24 KevinH that was a major hassle b4 15 08 2006 22 02 41 James We ve just installed it at work

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2006 08 08 - xAP Automation
    I see it would be useful 08 08 2006 21 52 54 G disconnected timeout 08 08 2006 21 53 04 KevinH Ideally there would be a xAP security alarm schema that had all teh various messages and sequences defined 08 08 2006 21 53 57 KevinH Guess G s not using FireFox 08 08 2006 21 54 01 kevint is connected 08 08 2006 21 54 14 James dould even be presented in the end as BSC states 08 08 2006 21 54 22 kevint Hi guys 08 08 2006 21 54 28 James nor will KT hi btw 08 08 2006 21 54 29 KevinH Better late than never evening K 08 08 2006 21 54 43 KevinH I present my alarm as BSC I must admit 08 08 2006 21 55 19 kevint disconnected timeout 08 08 2006 21 55 20 KevinH but i only want zone activations and alarm state reporting no clever features or remote setting etc 08 08 2006 21 55 46 KevinH so BSC is great 08 08 2006 21 56 02 James i would of thought most uses would be exactly that set of thngs 08 08 2006 21 56 23 KevinH Are there any updates to this chat app J 08 08 2006 21 56 36 kevint So hows things Have I missed anything startling 08 08 2006 21 56 46 kevint and what will i not do 08 08 2006 21 56 48 KevinH I know G would like reporting of Comforts counters etc as that s how C Bus interfaces to Comfort 08 08 2006 21 56 54 James don t think so 08 08 2006 21 57 26 James yes a new beta is out 08 08 2006 21 57 50 kevint a new beta mapper 08 08 2006 21 58 01 KevinH The C Bus interface to Comfort is a real kludge 08 08 2006 21 58 10 KevinH A new beta chat version 08 08 2006 21 58 19 James yes 08 08 2006 21 58 30 KevinH Was just wondering if they had addressed tehse timeouts at all 08 08 2006 21 58 33 kevint ahh 08 08 2006 21 59 05 James they don t mention timeouts in the change log 08 08 2006 21 59 22 kevint It must be a kevin thing then 08 08 2006 21 59 24 KevinH I have my C Bus switches controlling X10 nicely btw 08 08 2006 21 59 34 James cool 08 08 2006 21 59 43 kevint throughthe hardware mapper 08 08 2006 21 59 51 kevint and x10 connector 08 08 2006 22 00 01 KevinH But there are a couple of issues I still need to sort with Edward but he s on the case 08 08 2006 22 00 05 KevinH Yes 08 08 2006 22 00 20 kevint excellent 08 08 2006 22 01 06 KevinH I also managed to destroy a C Bus wireless switch by loading it with inconsistent config data 08 08 2006 22 01 18 kevint whoops 08 08 2006 22 01 18 KevinH and that was via Clipsals own software 08 08 2006 22 01 48 KevinH and there is no reset option it s a back to factory job 08 08 2006 22 02 07 James a warranty job though 08 08 2006 22 02 09 kevint KH I have a recollection that there is a later version of xAPtel around than is on mi4 08 08 2006 22 02 28 KevinH There is one that uses James OCX 08 08 2006 22 02 35 kevint I think I was testing it and you were going to upload 08 08 2006 22 03 01 KevinH I haven t uploaded it I must admit 08 08 2006 22 03 14 kevint Ah yes that was it I was running it without xapax ocx 08 08 2006 22 03 44 kevint still rock solid btw 08 08 2006 22 03 44 KevinH Are you running thsi later version too J If so are you happy with it 08 08 2006 22 04 32 James i was running it with no probs but i think i loaded the old one again after i rebuilt my server i got a bit confused with the versions 08 08 2006 22 04 43 KevinH I have a PC based BSC mapper rewrite I can upload too that uses J s OCX 08 08 2006 22 04 47 kevint I wasnt sure if you were going to wait till you had tried the modem 08 08 2006 22 04 58 KevinH cough 08 08 2006 22 04 58 kevint oohh 08 08 2006 22 05 12 kevint I was trying to be subtle 08 08 2006 22 05 27 KevinH When you sent me the modem I didnt realise it was a PC card 08 08 2006 22 05 39 KevinH I can send you mapper now if you want 08 08 2006 22 05 40 kevint pci 08 08 2006 22 05 42 James lol 08 08 2006 22 06 01 kevint I would like it but tbh I have no time available this week 08 08 2006 22 07 14 Edward is connected 08 08 2006 22 07 24 kevint seriously though no pressure from me on the modem thing 08 08 2006 22 07 44 KevinH Just try launching the file I sent on Skype see if it moans about dependencies 08 08 2006 22 07 54 kevint k 08 08 2006 22 07 57 KevinH it may 08 08 2006 22 08 13 KevinH If it does I ll have to do a build 08 08 2006 22 08 45 KevinH Hi Edward 08 08 2006 22 08 54 James Hi E 08 08 2006 22 08 55 Edward Hi 08 08 2006 22 09 10 kevint Well it runs 08 08 2006 22 09 16 kevint evening edward 08 08 2006 22 09 39 Edward Still recovering from lauging my self silly earlier when I found this comment line in the X10 connector 08 08 2006 22 09 41 kevint bug report 08 08 2006 22 09 42 KevinH and is it accumulating devices in teh LH pane 08 08 2006 22 10 09 kevint icon calls itself xAPdb 08 08 2006 22 10 20 Edward TODO fails if request is to go to 100 08 08 2006 22 10 32 Edward cica 2004 08 08 2006 22 10 35 KevinH as in 255 255 08 08 2006 22 11 00 Edward or 100 or 64 64 or 1000 1000 08 08 2006 22 11 00 kevint Yes I have edrads x10 as a tree in the lh and all the endoints in the right 08 08 2006 22 11 11 Edward however you want to say it 08 08 2006 22 11 15 KevinH I have comments like This is a real kludge but I m tired now must fix later 08 08 2006 22 11 46 KevinH Actually I have a general X10 Q 08 08 2006 22 12 08 Edward It works if you don t put the level parameter cos it just trats it like an appliance module working on a fix 08 08 2006 22 12 09 James E I don t know if this a an x10 bug or something else but if i use floorplan to doa slow fade in 10 steps from 100 to 0 around 30 or 40 goes up then down again may just x10 resolution 08 08 2006 22 12 20 Edward What are you talking about looking at 08 08 2006 22 12 32 KevinH If a device is OFF and you want it to be ON at say 80 do you initially have to send a housecode unitcode ON command or can you just send a DIM 08 08 2006 22 12 43 kevint thats a x10 foible i think 08 08 2006 22 13 00 James that s what i guessed 08 08 2006 22 13 02 Edward just send a dim 08 08 2006 22 13 25 KevinH ahh which is why HomeVision misses the trigger 08 08 2006 22 13 25 Edward well dim down from 100 08 08 2006 22 13 45 Edward no it this case nothing gets set at all 08 08 2006 22 14 21 Edward anyhow that s all really very dull 08 08 2006 22 14 31 KevinH I know about the 255 255 not sendinga nything but I tried 254 255 which works but HV misses it 08 08 2006 22 15 05 KevinH How I hate X10 08 08 2006 22 15 31 Edward So what would HV expect to see 08 08 2006 22 15 59 Edward an On first presumably 08 08 2006 22 15 59 KevinH I m thinking it only watches for teh ON command 08 08 2006 22 16 36 KevinH but that seems a poor implementation and introduces another error possibility for devices that can turn ON at a preset dim level 08 08 2006 22 16 41 kevint Well I have created my first on off map using the KH mapper and it works 08 08 2006 22 17 08 KevinH and you didn t expect that did you 08 08 2006 22 17 26 KevinH I knw about teh DB thing btw 08 08 2006 22 17 30 kevint well you didnt even expect it to run 08 08 2006 22 18 05 KevinH When you invert connections that are level based it will map 20 to 80 as well 08 08 2006 22 18 12 kevint I have done and on and and off 08 08 2006 22 18 22 kevint oooh 08 08 2006 22 18 34 KevinH back in 2 08 08 2006 22 18 40 kevint So what are the limitaitions 08 08 2006 22 18 45 kevint ah ok 08 08 2006 22 19 32 James so kt a busy week for you 08 08 2006 22 20 02 kevint disconnected timeout 08 08 2006 22 20 25 KevinH U frightened him 08 08 2006 22 20 46 James oops 08 08 2006 22 21 21 kevint Our team at work is 3 engineers and 2 technicians 08 08 2006 22 21 23 kevint and this week we are down to one engineer and 2 technicians 08 08 2006 22 21 54 James so the engineers are having to make the tea then 08 08 2006 22 21 57 kevint we only manage properly wiyth a full team 08 08 2006 22 22 11 Edward disconnected timeout 08 08 2006 22 22 19 kevint I am just ceam crackered when i get home 08 08 2006 22 22 48 James i bet 08 08 2006 22 23 23 KevinH kevint So what are the limitaitions on the PC Mapper application you mean 08 08 2006 22 23 26 kevint so kh the bsc file is source dest dest xapuid invert 1 08 08 2006 22 23 34 kevint yes 08 08 2006 22 23 58 kevint how many maps 08 08 2006 22 24 07 KevinH Well very few but no looping protection so dont create loops 08 08 2006 22 24 46 KevinH I don t think you ll hit a limit on maps 08 08 2006 22 25 05 KevinH It will be source UID not dest UID 08 08 2006 22 25 05 kevint where is the config loaded from on startup 08 08 2006 22 25 16 James KT can you logon to http www mi4 biz talk2 and see if you get timeouts in another browser windows of course 08 08 2006 22 25 26 kevint is the uid essential 08 08 2006 22 25 35 KevinH absolutely 08 08 2006 22 25 46 KevinH thats the only thing it triggers on 08 08 2006 22 26 28 KevinH It loads config from the file you create 08 08 2006 22 27 17 KevinH The discover button is a bit brute force 08 08 2006 22 27 49 kevint I have one called test bsc 08 08 2006 22 28 13 KevinH You can wildcard targets via the config file should you wish 08 08 2006 22 28 18 KevinH you do 08 08 2006 22 28 26 KevinH at startup 08 08 2006 22 28 48 KevinH disconnected timeout 08 08 2006 22 28 57 kevint I created it to see what it did and resarted the app and the map was still there 08 08 2006 22 29 21 KevinH its persisted the last saved file I think 08 08 2006 22 29 38 KevinH You can save as anything 08 08 2006 22 29 47 kevint disconnected timeout 08 08 2006 22 29 56 KevinH in the registry 08 08 2006 22 31 02 kevint I think I will wait till you and edward have resoved the wildcard thing before trying that 08 08 2006 22 31 04 kevint 08 08 2006 22 31 05 kevint its all gone away 08 08 2006 22 31 32 kevint mmm xap talk just stopped updating there 08 08 2006 22 33 11 Edward On the case 08 08 2006 22 33 21 KevinH If you use full wildcards for every positional element with s allowable at the end it works pretty well already 08 08 2006 22 34 12 kevint You once explained bsc wildcarding to me but I confess I found it heavy going 08 08 2006 22 34 49 KevinH I find it really amazing that suddenly applications appear that use some xAP conduit like the ones that used the SliMP3 one and now the X10 one 08 08 2006 22 35 10 Paul G is connected 08 08 2006 22 35 19 Paul G HELLLOOOOOO 08 08 2006 22 35 24 Paul G bit late again 08 08 2006 22 35 46 KevinH It s pretty easy KT but slightly varied from teh spec based on real world experience as we ve played with sub adress a bit more 08 08 2006 22 36 11 kevint Hi Ah that wasnt you earlier as G then 08 08 2006 22 36 25 Paul G nooo 08 08 2006 22 36 34 Paul G some imposter obviously 08 08 2006 22 36 42 kevint hehe 08 08 2006 22 36 51 kevint he went as i arrived 08 08 2006 22 36 54 James hi paul 08 08 2006 22 37 10 Paul G lots of new computer kit to play with more arriving tomorrow 08 08 2006 22 37 25 KevinH The address is divided into 2 parts by the and effectively you treat each half independently a matches anything in that position but something must be there and a matches to the end and will match nothing too 08 08 2006 22 37 36 KevinH and a new node0 08 08 2006 22 37 40 kevint me ducks 08 08 2006 22 37 48 KevinH and a workshop to die for 08 08 2006 22 37 59 James and a cute dog 08 08 2006 22 38 09 kevint I think you posted a relly good explanation in the group a while back 08 08 2006 22 38 19 Paul G 2 cute doggies 08 08 2006 22 38 20 kevint so I will read that 08 08 2006 22 38 41 Paul G got more agility training tomorrow good fun 08 08 2006 22 38 59 Paul G wonder if I can xAP enable that 08 08 2006 22 39 00 KevinH I have to go in a few mins got to talk to my neighbours about what wiring to pre install in their new build 08 08 2006 22 39 09 James agility is more exercise for the owner than the dog 08 08 2006 22 39 09 kevint how are you going to xAP enable the doggies 08 08 2006 22 39 20 Paul G insert a chip 08 08 2006 22 39 24 KevinH taser 08 08 2006 22 39 36 James gps collars 08 08 2006 22 39 46 Paul G tell me about it mad swiss woman keeps threatening to slap me 08 08 2006 22 39 56 Paul G that s why I keep going 08 08 2006 22 40 04 kevint 08 08 2006 22 40 05 Paul G taser 08 08 2006 22 40 06 James H 08 08 2006 22 40 11 KevinH Well that last one is not so silly I m waiting on Steve Wozniacs release of exactly that 08 08 2006 22 40 24 Paul G Americans have a training collar that electrocutes them 08 08 2006 22 40 35 KevinH Sorry bad taste 08 08 2006 22 40 49 kevint I think this chat might need more editting than normal 08 08 2006 22 40 49 Edward KH just emailed you a new X10 plugin 08 08 2006 22 41 01 KevinH I was just lucky that my last two dogs have been absolutely wonderful obedience wise 08 08 2006 22 41 11 KevinH Just got it 08 08 2006 22 41 31 Paul G James xAP weather has been playing up again not updating METARs 08 08 2006 22 41 44 KevinH I need to investigate dims a bit more as I do have weird rampings but thats for later 08 08 2006 22 41 53 James what was your code again 08 08 2006 22 41 57 Paul G I m moving it to new PC next week so will prob re install anyway 08 08 2006 22 42 02 KevinH E how many dims are transmitted for 100 0 08 08 2006 22 42 10 Edward You should set ProDimmer for DIN Rail modules 08 08 2006 22 42 18 James egva 08 08 2006 22 42 26 Paul G hang on 08

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    btw also has display of BSC device states 01 08 2006 21 42 10 James well if the ajax receives a 1 or 0 there is no reason that when the javascrip write that to the it could suffix prefix it 01 08 2006 21 42 36 James witrh img src State gif 01 08 2006 21 43 32 Kevin H That would be better for me but the icon still has to be on the server due to Sandboxing doesnt it 01 08 2006 21 44 20 James no can be anywhere you are just writing http the brosawer will strat a new connection to get teh pic from whereever 01 08 2006 21 44 48 Kevin H ahh because taht s outside the Ajax as such 01 08 2006 21 45 25 James yes this is the client doing it 01 08 2006 21 46 00 Kevin H K maybe I can catch 2 mins after this session if it s not too late 01 08 2006 21 46 09 Kevin H So what s anyone else up to 01 08 2006 21 46 50 kevint disconnected timeout 01 08 2006 21 47 10 lehane Just starting to look at the CADDX protocol 01 08 2006 21 47 34 Kevin H That s the alarm one 01 08 2006 21 48 02 James is everyone else googling that or is it just me 01 08 2006 21 48 07 kevint well typically xapsaver is not breaking now 01 08 2006 21 48 23 James the antikevin effect 01 08 2006 21 48 28 James it s a special feature 01 08 2006 21 48 36 lehane KH yes kind of poor mans Comfort 01 08 2006 21 48 40 kevint all i did was rename the log file 01 08 2006 21 49 12 James the log files get deleted every day so they shouldn t be that big 01 08 2006 21 50 08 Kevin H Lehane I have an alarm panel here that I intended to fully xAP using the Microtech SIA protocol but as it could be mostly sorted via hardware Netiom VIOM that was far faster for me 01 08 2006 21 50 40 Kevin H So it s BSC d using link outputs and some serial data it provides 01 08 2006 21 50 58 lehane In the US there is Elk Homeseer and Homevision interfaces for CADDX David may know of more 01 08 2006 21 51 05 Kevin H It really should have a Security schema I guess though 01 08 2006 21 52 09 Kevin H Zone activations and current state is really all that I wanted to get at though 01 08 2006 21 52 37 kevint 207 k log file so far 01 08 2006 21 53 52 lehane Yep can do all that with the CADDX and arm disarm set Aux outputs control X10 shame the boxes are rare here 01 08 2006 21 54 23 Kevin H I nearly bought one myself a while back but when I moved house this Galaxy was already there 01 08 2006 21 55 17 Kevin H You gonna use the X10 then 01 08 2006 21 55 42 lehane X10 pah No not the dark side 01 08 2006 21 56 12 lehane Changing subject anyone looked at an xAP plugin for GBPVR 01 08 2006 21 56 50 James no but i use gbpvr at work and i would be a happy tester 01 08 2006 21 56 54 kevint disconnected timeout 01 08 2006 21 57 50 lehane OK looks well supported Might start with OSD as the examples are there for CID already 01 08 2006 21 57 53 Edward is connected 01 08 2006 21 58 53 kevint hello edward 01 08 2006 21 58 54 James good start then channel changing record timer setting whould be nice for the 2nd version 01 08 2006 22 00 15 Kevin H IT looks to have matured quite a bis since I last looked 01 08 2006 22 00 20 Kevin H bis bit 01 08 2006 22 00 39 Edward disconnected timeout 01 08 2006 22 01 00 Kevin H that was a fleeting visit 01 08 2006 22 01 27 kevint He be doing an Arnie 01 08 2006 22 02 02 lehane lowering CO2 01 08 2006 22 02 08 Kevin H Lucky I thought a bit on that before I replied 01 08 2006 22 02 58 kevint mmm 01 08 2006 22 03 32 Kevin H J is there a way of debugging easily in JavaScript eg single stepping 01 08 2006 22 04 49 James if you use ie then sometimes the script debugger pops up i think there is a firefox extension that does the same 01 08 2006 22 05 25 Edward Hello all 01 08 2006 22 05 44 kevint see I said he would be back 01 08 2006 22 06 01 James hi 01 08 2006 22 06 34 Edward kinda distracted at the moment as I m on the phone 01 08 2006 22 06 57 kevint sb 01 08 2006 22 08 35 lehane js debugging venkman I usually just hack the script and write debug output 01 08 2006 22 10 39 Edward disconnected timeout 01 08 2006 22 10 39 kevint disconnected timeout 01 08 2006 22 13 51 andylaurence disconnected timeout 01 08 2006 22 14 27 Paul G is connected 01 08 2006 22 14 50 James si KT this ajax thing is part of the cub connector unit 01 08 2006 22 14 57 James arg KH i mean 01 08 2006 22 15 07 Paul G Hi All bit late 01 08 2006 22 15 14 James cub cbus 01 08 2006 22 15 18 James hi 01 08 2006 22 16 12 Paul G Can t stay long but just thought I d say hello 01 08 2006 22 16 17 Kevin H It is an embedded BSC mapper but basically all it needs is a Rabbit processor and something to supply power so it could rather untidly be done without even a pcb I m thinking and sub 50 01 08 2006 22 16 32 Paul G anything interesting been discussed 01 08 2006 22 17 14 James ajax jabber lots of Hi s and KH s bsc embedded mapper 01 08 2006 22 17 35 Paul G Anyone running HomeSeer with HomeVision plugin 01 08 2006 22 18 00 ian b disconnected timeout 01 08 2006 22 19 29 Kevin H Well I have it here but I can t get to the configure page 01 08 2006 22 19 55 Edward disconnected timeout 01 08 2006 22 20 12 Paul G Is it not letting you or an error etc 01 08 2006 22 22 32 Kevin H I posted on July 9th to teh HS board but noone replied 01 08 2006 22 22 42 Kevin H It gives me an error when I select configure 01 08 2006 22 23 09 Paul G ok push them again they should reply Did you send a support ticket 01 08 2006 22 23 38 Kevin H and on startup when it asks if I want to add devices for varaibles and I O it does teh same 01 08 2006 22 23 54 Paul G I m getting an accasional Type Mismatch error from the HV plugin 01 08 2006 22 24 13 Kevin H Gives a run time error text property is read only 01 08 2006 22 24 17 Paul G and I think it s causing some of my other plugins to crash 01 08 2006 22 25 19 Paul G right got to go bye all 01 08 2006 22 25 31 James bye 01 08 2006 22 25 32 Kevin H 1 sec Paul 01 08 2006 22 25 40 Paul G k 01 08 2006 22 25 49 Paul G counting 01 08 2006 22 25 49 Kevin H could u perhpas send me a config file from your HV 01 08 2006 22 25 58 Kevin H just looking for name 01 08 2006 22 26 05 Paul G sure what s your email 01 08 2006 22 26 07 Kevin H its teh one that sets up the HV plugin 01 08 2006 22 26 33 Paul G the main HS config file or the HV one 01 08 2006 22 26 33 kevint disconnected timeout 01 08 2006 22 26 37 Kevin H kevin at xapautomation org 01 08 2006 22 27 15 Kevin H just finding the filename 01 08 2006 22 27 25 Paul G k 01 08 2006 22 28 30 Kevin H ahh its the bit in teh main settings file under the heading hspi homevision 01 08 2006 22 29 20 Kevin H settings txt in teh config folder 01 08 2006 22 29 40 Edward disconnected timeout 01 08 2006 22 30 08 Paul G got a settings in but not txt 01 08 2006 22 30 12 Paul G ini 01 08 2006 22 30 37 Kevin H ahh could be 01 08 2006 22 30 42 Paul G hspi homevision 01 08 2006 22 30 48 Paul G reg moved 1 01 08 2006 22 30 54 Paul G gBaseCode 92 01 08 2006 22 30 59 Paul G comport 1 01 08 2006 22 31 04 Paul G baudrate 19200 01 08 2006 22 31 11 Paul G is all that s under that sect 01 08 2006 22 31 19 Kevin H right same as mine 01 08 2006 22 31 40 Paul G I can send you mdb if you want 01 08 2006 22 32 39 Kevin H Well I am not convinced that this plugin uses the MDB at startup but I suppose all the HS devices must get setup in there 01 08 2006 22 32 53 Kevin H if you could send it I will try 01 08 2006 22 32 54 Paul G got to go email me if you want any other files and I ll send them over 01 08 2006 22 32 56 Paul G ok 01 08 2006 22 33 06 Paul G paul siliconpixel dot com 01 08 2006 22 33 53 Kevin H nite 01 08 2006 22 34 55 lehane I have to go too early flight tomorrow Catch you all next week 01 08 2006 22 34 55 Paul G sent 01 08 2006 22 34 58 Paul G bye 01 08 2006 22 35 16 lehane quit 01 08 2006 22 35 19 Paul G disconnected timeout 01 08 2006 22 35 48 kevint disconnected timeout 01 08 2006 22 39 03 kevint disconnected timeout 01 08 2006 22 42 44 Edward Hi sorry bit late and the the phone rang 01 08 2006 22 43 30 Edward Why is it that you only notice blindingly obvious bugs in s w just after you ve released it to the world grrrrrr 01 08 2006 22 43 34 James i like the new site design btw 01 08 2006 22 43 50 James ahh sounds familiar 01 08 2006 22 44 01 Edward My wife said it looked like a tooth paste advert 01 08 2006 22 44 20 James i find testing any software ona Kevin and if it survives a week then it ll be fine 01 08 2006 22 44 21 Edward clean and fresh 01 08 2006 22 44 48 Edward Anyhow just found the bug so will be uploading new versions shortly 01 08 2006 22 45 10 James it goes a bit odd with the old url though http www edjo pwp blueyonder co uk edward xAP index htm 01 08 2006 22 45 11 Edward And then I ll put the Dynalite stuff up too 01 08 2006 22 45 36 Edward Arse 01 08 2006 22 45 54 Edward index htm vs index htlm 01 08 2006 22 45 57 James i ll change my links to http www edjo pwp blueyonder co uk edward xAP 01 08 2006 22 46 00 Edward html 01 08 2006 22 46 09 James but there are a few of the old ones on the wiki 01 08 2006 22 46 56 Edward I ll try to fix it so it s compatible there s plently of links around the world now 01 08 2006 22 47 25 Edward Including the MediaPortal stuff 01 08 2006 22 47 36 Edward which I had no idea about 01 08 2006 22 47 49 Kevin H That MediaPortal one was a surprise to me 01 08 2006 22 47 50 James also any chance of adding some reciplical to the other xAP sites 01 08 2006 22 47 55 Edward there s a guy in france hosting copies of my binaries really scary 01 08 2006 22 48 15 Edward Links out good idea easily done 01 08 2006 22 48 22 Kevin H Quick Q did someone contact you re Barionet in teh last couple of days 01 08 2006 22 48 32 Edward nope 01 08 2006 22 48 54 Kevin H I sec let me find the post 01 08 2006 22 50 58 Kevin H http www automatedhome co uk modules php name Forums file viewtopic t 1124 01 08 2006 22 51 16 Kevin H http tinyurl com gus56 01 08 2006 22 51 19 Edward KevinT did you never spot that the devices grid in the in the version of the X10 with the tabbed interface is completely f d 01 08 2006 22 51 57 Kevin H That is letting the K s down 01 08 2006 22 52 08 kevint disconnected timeout 01 08 2006 22 53 23 Kevin H E I m guessing you didn t hear from SB either Maybe he s on hols 01 08 2006 22 53 28 Edward Right I see the article don t keep up to date with AH groups I can definitely help I ll contact the guy 01 08 2006 22 53 46 Edward Nope not a dickie bird 01 08 2006 22 54 48 Edward disconnected timeout 01 08 2006 22 59 24 Edward Starting to think that I might host a bunch of stuff on my site now that I ve got a relatively easy way of updating it MS frontpage 01 08 2006 22 59 54 Edward Why does this chat keep disconnecting 01 08 2006 23 00 21 James no idea 01 08 2006 23 00 55 Edward no worries only a very minor annoyance 01 08 2006 23 01 03 James i ve mirrored any xFx apps that have been found on mi4 biz 01 08 2006 23 01 10 Kevin H It only disconnects some people for some reason KT and yourself seem to suffer 01 08 2006 23 02 21 Edward I should have a trawl round my disks to see what else I ve got kinda worried that we ll never see the return of xapframework net 01 08 2006 23 02 56 Edward So many broken liks 01 08 2006 23 03 08 Edward V bad for the xAP cause 01 08 2006 23 03 13 Kevin H We do need the hub viewer sources but I don t think SB ever released them teh SliMP3 one would be nice too 01 08 2006 23 03 19 James yep 01 08 2006 23 04 36 Edward I ve been honing up my Perl skills was considering doing a native xAP interface for SlimServer 01 08 2006 23 05 15 Kevin H You use SlimServer I thought you were Barix based 01 08 2006 23 05 19 James Gregg is pretty up on perl and has some lib he uses for asterisk and zoneminder 01 08 2006 23 05 54 Edward No I have 5 slimplayers now love them 01 08 2006 23 06 22 Kevin H Nice and are you tempted by their new player the Transport 01 08 2006 23 06 29 Edward Barix can t do uncompressed audio and I m a bit of an audiophile 01 08 2006 23 06 30 James i m starting to think my slimp3s are a little dated 01 08 2006 23 06 54 Edward disconnected timeout 01 08 2006 23 07 20 Kevin H he s just died when he saw teh price of the Transport 01 08 2006 23 08 40 James it s quite a jump from the other products 01 08 2006 23 09 54 Kevin H not something I m going to jump on I think when they offer such a positioned product the software needs to be top notch and I don t feel it s there yet 01 08 2006 23 10 00 Edward Cheers 01 08 2006 23 10 00 Edward Transport 01 08 2006 23 10 38 Kevin H Transporter sorry 01 08 2006 23 10 41 Kevin H http www slimdevices com 01 08 2006 23 10 47 James and unless your music is flac or wav then there is no point 01 08 2006 23 10 59 Edward Oh I d not seen that just been there taking advantage of the erroneus timout pause looks lovely 01 08 2006 23 11 14 Edward yup I rip to flac 01 08 2006 23 11 28 Edward MP3 sounds crap on my setup 01 08 2006 23 11 49 Edward I rip to flac for home listening and Mp4 for IPod no MP3 01 08 2006 23 11 55 Kevin H I regret not ripping to FLAC 01 08 2006 23 12 19 James i still use mp3 it s good enough for me 01 08 2006 23 12 41 Kevin H but my CD

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2006 07 25 - xAP Automation
    but www voiptalk org it pretty reliable 25 07 2006 21 53 09 James i have a hardware sip phone link straight to it and it seems to work very well 25 07 2006 21 53 09 Gregg or maybe we could just trade time on each other s asterisk boxes 25 07 2006 21 53 52 Ian B I dial the dreephone numbers for conference calls the other party work pays then not me 25 07 2006 21 53 58 James this is turning in to an asterisk fan club 25 07 2006 21 59 34 Ian B Gotta go guys Hopefully have more to say next week 25 07 2006 21 59 37 Ian B See ya 25 07 2006 21 59 40 Ian B byeeee 25 07 2006 22 00 15 James bye ian enjoy the AC 25 07 2006 22 00 33 Ian B disconnected timeout 25 07 2006 22 03 43 James it s just too hot 25 07 2006 22 06 21 Gregg AC isn t quite universal hunh I would have trouble coding working w o it blasting on me 25 07 2006 22 07 01 James it s about 30 here earlier my car said 41 5 when i got in to it 25 07 2006 22 07 33 Gregg quickly trying to convert that s sounds quite bad 25 07 2006 22 08 06 Gregg Do you have temp sensors deployed in your residence 25 07 2006 22 08 06 James quite toasty 25 07 2006 22 08 19 James that s on my todo list 25 07 2006 22 08 38 James i was going to get a tom10 with the one wire sensors 25 07 2006 22 09 11 Gregg I don t see his website anymore I toasted mine stupidity and don t know where to get a new one 25 07 2006 22 09 32 Gregg I m assuming that means I ll be going down the more conventional 1 wire approach 25 07 2006 22 09 41 James the odd one turns up on ukha for sale thats about all 25 07 2006 22 11 07 Gregg What do you use as your primary HA controller xFP 25 07 2006 22 11 15 James yep 25 07 2006 22 11 22 James it replaces HS 25 07 2006 22 11 46 Gregg Is it possible practical to run it as a service 25 07 2006 22 11 58 James yep biult in 25 07 2006 22 15 18 James you use misterhouse don t you 25 07 2006 22 16 10 Gregg Yes although I really ought to take a look at xFP to understand all the things it can do It may either give me some new ideas or perhaps I may shift some of the mh logic that direction 25 07 2006 22 17 04 Gregg The functions that would be really hard for me to leave mh is the presence tracking and predictive lighting control 25 07 2006 22 17 45 James presence tracking sounds nice but how does it do predictive lighting 25 07 2006 22 17 57 James based on yesterdays logs 25 07 2006 22 18 29 Gregg No by defining a node graph that maps to rooms and the connecting points 25 07 2006 22 19 10 James ah so when you enter the hall it turns on all connecting rooms 25 07 2006 22 19 13 Gregg And adjacent rooms can then turn on lighting in anticipation of your appearing If you don t then it will turn the light back off 25 07 2006 22 19 37 James k makes sense 25 07 2006 22 19 45 Gregg No only the ones that I care about And further it is model in my house where more of the predicting occurs at night w night lights 25 07 2006 22 19 48 James and the presence is pir and bluetooth 25 07 2006 22 19 54 Gregg Keeps me from stubbing toes 25 07 2006 22 20 14 James that hurts 25 07 2006 22 20 48 Gregg PIR for now But the primary reason for my creating zmxap was to use it inside for difficult to monitor locations like rooms that are very open and wide and don t necessarily have traditional door ways 25 07 2006 22 21 24 Gregg So zmxap zones would serve as sensors And of course door sensors are also used Some from my alarm 25 07 2006 22 21 47 James so all in all you ve got a pretty wired house 25 07 2006 22 22 47 Gregg Well never enough But SWMBO expects it to work all the time now rather than marvel that it ever works correctly 25 07 2006 22 23 22 James xFP currently lacks the concept of a room does have groups though I do need to add the room concept as well as catergorising the inputs and outputs so as to do the clever logic I do also plan on basing on previous day s logs too 25 07 2006 22 24 54 James is there a good website to detail all the misterhouse structures I didn t see much on the homepage 25 07 2006 22 25 38 Gregg short answer no I still don t know all of it s capabilities and I ve been a user developer for years 25 07 2006 22 26 37 James is there something on just the node graph bit i m curious 25 07 2006 22 27 13 Gregg Comments in the code headers I ll try to pull something together for you and send it 25 07 2006 22 27 27 James thanks 25 07 2006 22 27 50 James one of the side effects of the jabber connector is adding this room grouping into xFP 25 07 2006 22 27 59 Gregg fwiw I attempted to map presence and occupancy into a bsc

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  • xAP Talk Transcript 2006 07 18 - xAP Automation
    2006 21 32 58 James i thought mediawiki was pretty compatible 18 07 2006 21 33 20 James Anyone else want a wiki account while i m setting them up 18 07 2006 21 34 06 Gregg the login apparently uses DHTML that safari doesn t like 18 07 2006 21 34 18 Gregg it s ok just switched to a different computer 18 07 2006 21 35 34 kevint disconnected timeout 18 07 2006 21 36 16 James Does any one here use Jabber IM at all 18 07 2006 21 36 26 Gregg yep 18 07 2006 21 36 34 drodegeb Not currently but not opposed to it 18 07 2006 21 37 11 James i have my little xAP jabber bot nearing completion and it may need a little testing 18 07 2006 21 38 05 drodegeb Sounds interesting What kind of features are built in 18 07 2006 21 38 13 Gregg I d be very interested 18 07 2006 21 39 04 James it will relay display messages to remote jabber users so when your away you know the door bell is pushed etc and it link with floorplan and switchboard so you can ask it things like what is Fred s phone number 18 07 2006 21 39 18 James is the kitchen light on type things 18 07 2006 21 39 40 drodegeb Sounds good I would be willing to test it for you 18 07 2006 21 40 49 James thanks one little issue is it can only link un encrypted to the jabber server it can t use tsl or ssl so no googletalk 18 07 2006 21 41 16 James unles anyone knows of a good jabber COM library that would do those things 18 07 2006 21 41 26 drodegeb I m not all that familiar with that yet anyway but I plan to play with jabber tonight 18 07 2006 21 41 48 James als the application needs to be on the same netowrk as switchboard and florplan so it can query data 18 07 2006 21 42 20 drodegeb So this would require 2 Jabber accounts then 18 07 2006 21 42 33 drodegeb 1 for the server side Another to send to 18 07 2006 21 42 36 James yes the bot has one and you have one 18 07 2006 21 42 49 James you add the bot to your contact list 18 07 2006 21 43 01 drodegeb Sounds good 18 07 2006 21 43 22 Gregg So can you have an encrypted session while the bot is unecrypted 18 07 2006 21 43 31 James and because jabber is jabber neither account has to be on the same server 18 07 2006 21 43 35 James yep 18 07 2006 21 43 53 drodegeb What sources will it work with in the unencrypted mode 18 07 2006 21 44 00 Gregg that seems fine w me as my server is on the same subnet as xAP 18 07 2006 21 44 09 James the un encrypted bit is the bot connecting to the bot s server thats all 18 07 2006 21 44 45 James i think jabber org uk and most similar services allow unencrypted logons 18 07 2006 21 44 56 James or you coul dbe brave and run your oun server 18 07 2006 21 45 09 Gregg and it s trivial to do 18 07 2006 21 45 41 James gregg have you ever used a te110p isdn pri card with 18 07 2006 21 45 56 James changing the subject 18 07 2006 21 45 59 Gregg no only a tdm400p 18 07 2006 21 46 22 drodegeb Does a client have to be installed for the bot to work or is the bot a client on it s own 18 07 2006 21 46 25 James just installed on in our box and all the voice prompts stopped working 18 07 2006 21 46 32 James the bot is the client 18 07 2006 21 46 37 Gregg more change of subject I m thinking of being able to map an IVR menu choice to some xAP message to allow control via IVR menus 18 07 2006 21 47 02 James if you coul dcall php files you can send xAP from them 18 07 2006 21 47 59 Gregg well I was contemplating something semi generic e g BSC status 18 07 2006 21 48 09 drodegeb Last question I promise So the bot would have to have an account on an unencrypted server but it could send messages to my gmail im correct 18 07 2006 21 48 12 Gregg and allow floorplan to perform any mapping 18 07 2006 21 48 15 James even better 18 07 2006 21 50 39 kevint disconnected timeout 18 07 2006 21 52 07 James drodegeb correct 18 07 2006 21 52 37 James jabber servers link up like email does so sender and receiver can be on different servers domains 18 07 2006 21 54 15 James Kevin you know your intranet apps that display web pages 18 07 2006 21 55 04 James feature request really to add a tab bar to allow each app to have more than one web page 18 07 2006 21 55 23 James and to allow different IPs to see different page selections 18 07 2006 21 56 04 James I m going to upload the source of the screensaver server as it s a exmple of how to do some of this 18 07 2006 21 57 42 James i think i ve shocked Kevin into silence 18 07 2006 21 59 13 Gregg well until he responds here s a continuation of the axc to floorplan mapping question 18 07 2006 21 59 20 James k 18 07 2006 21 59 46 Gregg If the outcome of whatever command or set of commands is TTS that is streamed back into the channel I m wondering if I can pass the call tag 18 07 2006 21 59 47 kevint Sorry in and out as Im packing 18 07 2006 22 00 07 Gregg via BSC and then allow the floorplan map include it as a parm in the TTS message 18 07 2006 22 00 44 kevint u mean the generic intranet app 18 07 2006 22 00 50 James KT yes 18 07 2006 22 01 17 James G it may be had to get that tag to follow the messages around Unles bits are modded a bit 18 07 2006 22 01 24 kevint sure thats do able given you can wait till I have had my holiday 18 07 2006 22 01 29 James np 18 07 2006 22 01 41 James wouldn t you be using s tts though 18 07 2006 22 02 03 Gregg ok then if I assume that there s only the one channel per line then perhaps the mapper could target the TTS message back to the line 18 07 2006 22 02 22 Gregg yes I would be using s TTS to convert the contents of the xAP TTS message into audio 18 07 2006 22 02 35 kevint disconnected timeout 18 07 2006 22 02 45 James so it s not xsap speech making the sounds then 18 07 2006 22 02 54 Gregg correct 18 07 2006 22 03 07 Gregg it s an axc thingy 18 07 2006 22 03 14 James well if the messages is being sent by xFP then it can be to whoever you want 18 07 2006 22 03 26 drodegeb Well gotta go let me know about the xap jabber module drodegeb gmail com 18 07 2006 22 03 28 drodegeb Thanks 18 07 2006 22 03 45 kevint I dont suppose anyone has heard from Stuart this week 18 07 2006 22 03 47 James thanks for the future testing 18 07 2006 22 03 56 James bfn 18 07 2006 22 04 03 Gregg Ok next is the xFP mapping sufficient to know whether the commands that is sent results in a successful status change 18 07 2006 22 04 11 James no KH was going to rin ghim 18 07 2006 22 04 53 drodegeb disconnected timeout 18 07 2006 22 04 59 James um that message would be from the device xFP is controlling not xFP itself 18 07 2006 22 05 25 James xFP sends the command and the end device the light responds with either a info or event 18 07 2006 22 05 35 Gregg I m wondering if that could be used to influence the contents of the xAP TTS message 18 07 2006 22 05 44 James xFP then uses that info or event to update itself 18 07 2006 22 06 05 Gregg so it could know if the info or event state matches what is requested or not 18 07 2006 22 07 04 James not really a info would indicate no change and a event a change so it s not quite the same 18 07 2006 22 08 10 James may be best to use a simple single line command message to floorplan and for that to be parsed to a script and fot he script to do the processing not sure how it woul dall work though 18 07 2006 22 08 59 Gregg ok 18 07 2006 22 09 31 James it would be a bit liek how the HS2 schema works http www mi4 biz modules php name Content pa showpage pid 10 18 07 2006 22 09 43 James the command 18 07 2006 22 11 03 Gregg not sure what I should be looking at from your url Homeseer Guides 18 07 2006 22 11 28 James link shoul dbe the hs2 plugin schema 18 07 2006 22 11 56 James hmm there s a that shouldn t be in there 18 07 2006 22 12 44 Gregg got it 18 07 2006 22 13 17 Gregg ahh yes that s pretty much like what I use for misterhouse as well 18 07 2006 22 13 43 James it s very simple but with the BSC stuff as well it seems to cover all bases 18 07 2006 22 13 55 James and its easy to expand 18 07 2006 22 14 10 James xFP will have a simiar schema soon 18 07 2006 22 14 22 James to trigger events scripts 18 07 2006 22 14 49 James which is especially useful with the new scenes stuff 18 07 2006 22 14 51 Gregg oh well maybe that would be better to output from axc than just a BSC message 18 07 2006 22 15 25 Gregg how soon til you might have a schema defined for xFP to do as you just described 18 07 2006 22 15 34 James quite probably i do inted to make it a floorplan command schema but it would also respond if targetted to a homeseer command 18 07 2006 22 17 55 kevint disconnected timeout 18 07 2006 22 19 14 James so what can xAP in Misterhouse do I ve never really got that far with MH did get it running once 18 07 2006 22 20 26 Gregg let s see if maps all of it s X10 objects all abstracted light motion presence and occupancy objects into BSC for status as well as permits being controlled 18 07 2006 22 20 47 James that s a good start 18 07 2006 22 20 49 Gregg it receives and parses xAP weather updates and merges into other weather feeds 18 07 2006 22 20 56 James cool 18 07 2006 22 21 01 James or hot 18 07 2006 22 21 12 Gregg it can output xAP TTS in a room controlled PA type mode 18 07 2006 22 21 39 Gregg so within mh you can specify which rooms or which apps map to which rooms which in turn can control xAP TTS 18 07 2006 22 21 56 Gregg also xPL and hard wired in a single context 18 07 2006 22 22 06 James ok so quite alot then 18 07 2006 22 22 22 Gregg It also responds to my xAP enabled voice recognition engine via the command like schema 18 07 2006 22 22 40 James oo VR how 18 07 2006 22 22 50 Gregg It will also fully sync it s entire state w another mh instance using xAP 18 07 2006 22 22 59 James wow 18 07 2006 22 23 00 Gregg sphinx4 it s java based 18 07 2006 22 23 17 James so win32 compatible 18 07 2006 22 23 41 Gregg And very soon it will fully speak the VMI schema aka zmxap so that zones can be mapped into motion objects and assist occupancy tracking 18 07 2006 22 24 06 Gregg yep packages for win32 linux and solaris 18 07 2006 22 24 16 James you could also link s bluetooth tracking in there 18 07 2006 22 24 31 James or probably MH does that already 18 07 2006 22 24 57 James that ll be quite a xAP wiki page once you ve typed it all up 18 07 2006 22 24 59 Gregg oh yeah I almost forgot mh does have a special bluetooth client that speaks xAP and receives it s input 18 07 2006 22 25 22 Gregg and also contains a festival TTS xAP client 18 07 2006 22 25 28 Gregg more like a wrapper 18 07 2006 22 25 40 James it s a pity festival sounds awful 18 07 2006 22 25 45 Gregg I think that s the list 18 07 2006 22 25 56 James it s a good list 18 07 2006 22 26 05 Gregg yep although it s pretty useful for non english languages 18 07 2006 22 26 34 Gregg where other comercial engines sometimes fall short 18 07 2006 22 27 03 James yep as it sythesises and doesn t use samples 18 07 2006 22 27 03 Gregg Actually I m also giving some thought to working on a OWFS conduit unless someone already has one 18 07 2006 22 27 35 James thre is code for a Tom10 board that i know of 18 07 2006 22 27 49 James i think patrick may have done a little 1 wire too 18 07 2006 22 28 17 James For those reading the transcript http owfs sourceforge net 18 07 2006 22 28 28 Gregg unfortunately I fried mine don t ask hmmm I ll have to look at Patrick s site I specifically want to target OWFS since it has so much support for so many 1 wire devices 18 07 2006 22 28 45 James looks an idea basis 18 07 2006 22 29 06 James talking of bases did that sip proxy work out 18 07 2006 22 29 23 elperepat is connected 18 07 2006 22 29 46 Gregg It s on my immediate to do list I ve done a once over of the code and am pretty convinced that I can extend one of it s event listener classes 18 07 2006 22 29 56 Gregg That would make the resultign package very non intrusive 18 07 2006 22 30 12 Gregg But no I ve not yet got it hooked up and playing with it Very soon though 18 07 2006 22 30 30 James sounds good 18 07 2006 22 30 50 James hi elperepat 18 07 2006 22 31 11 elperepat Hi 18 07 2006 22 33 04 James so what brings you here 18 07 2006 22 33 34 James not using TINIs fo HA are you 18 07 2006 22 33 38 elperepat xAP I guess I m quite new to all this and still try to find out if it s what I want 18 07 2006 22 33 49 elperepat That s on the todo list 18 07 2006 22 34 34 James well if you want to interconnect ha items xAP shoul d do pretty much all you need 18 07 2006 22 34 48 James simple to do too as it s just udp 18 07 2006 22 36 22 elperepat I also looked a xpl but I haven t seen and side by side comaprison I mainly want to do BSC kind of stuff Which would be more appropriate 18 07 2006 22 37 01 kevint well of course we are biased 18 07 2006 22 38 15 elperepat of course I guess I ll try xAP and see if it works 18 07 2006 22 38 15 James well trying to be impartial xAP and xPL are very similar in concept and technology It s really the schemas whre the differences are xPL tend to have more device specific schemas whre as with xAP we try to make more generic schemas like BSC 18 07 2006 22 38 52 elperepat ok thanks 18 07 2006 22 38 58 James also xAP has a UID which is a bit like a MAC address which for small memory devices helps them monitor and keep track on who is who 18 07 2006 22 39 18 James xAP and xpl whre once the same project 18 07 2006 22 39 46 elperepat I ll re read the BSC schema again is V1 3 still up to date UID that s good as I plan to make small devices too 18 07 2006 22 40 01 James yes 1 3 is the latest 18 07 2006 22 40 08 kevint disconnected timeout 18 07 2006 22 40 09 elperepat ok 18 07 2006 22 40 46 James BSC is currently used in misterhouse homeseer xap floorplan

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